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majid_sabet


Aug 25, 2009, 10:20 PM

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Re: [ptlong] Attaching the haul line
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ptlong wrote:
tomtom wrote:
majid_sabet wrote:
let's ask one of these math experts to see what they say so here is the problem;

Pig weight ; 65 lbs
Anchor ; 2 piece cam
Slack in the system 50 feet
Rope; 8.5 mm static
Rope Elongation; 3%

I put $10 that this pig will end up at the bottom of the base with a broken screamer.

This is a poorly-posed problem. Not enough information to compute.

No doubt, but a simple spring model estimate is illustrative. In that approximation the peak force is a function of pig weight, elongation, and fall factor. For majid's case it would be 660 kN or 150,000 lbs. Ouch! What would break first?

Don't drop the pig if you use a static line. Don't drop it. Don't drop it. Don't drop it. Don't drop it.

Adding a screamer would "mitigate" the force very little if the pig goes 50 feet.

If you're planning on dropping the pig use a dynamic haul line.


so lets check this pig's problem

Cam is rated to 10-20 KN
Biner 14-25 kn
8.5 mm rope @ 12-15 kn ?

So based on your 660 KN, I'll say, pig will die from broken knot right at the fig 8 attachment next to haul bag.

Also, not sure who said that to me (may be Ceder or Micha) that he was on the top of a pitch next to a tree and somehow, haul bag which was attached to his harness got dropped. when he noticed it, rope was rolling down like a bullet . he jumped on the tree and grabbed it as hard as he could but then the haul bag yanked him off the tree but he was stopped by act of god from falling down.


(This post was edited by majid_sabet on Aug 25, 2009, 10:30 PM)



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