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tboothby
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So, I have always yelled "rock" when bits of rock fall off a climb I am on, but I heard in a thread that someone yelled "below". This seems uncomfortibly close to "beley" to me. On a windy day or if you are much higher up then your beleyer this could make for a very bad miscomunication...
I was wondering what other people yell when rocks fall.
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the_antoon
Mar 16, 2005, 3:30 AM
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rock...
it's universal...don't yell anything else...if someone yelled "below" down to me I would look up and say what do ya mean...durrrrrrrr
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You should ONLY yell "rock" anything else like stated before could cause someone to look up and get really messed up. I'd rather it hit my helmet than my face.
P.K.
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ROCK, says so much
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"fuck/or(depends on the mood)/shit!!! rocks!!" my version.. :D
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In reply to: "f---/or(depends on the mood)/s---!!! rocks!!" my version.. :D
once again...if someone just yelled fuck or shit, I would look up to see what was goin on...it wouldn't occur to me that something was hurtling at my face. If something falls, always yell rock, and nothing else.
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mattq331
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In the UK, it was always "below!" when I was a lad. Dunno if it still is.
Now I use "rock".
Seems to make more sense to me than "below".
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"Pierre" in hopes a Frenchman looks up. =P
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Mar 16, 2005, 4:28 AM
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ROCK, doesn't matter what actually falls, rock, gear, etc. Exception being when you toss a rope then yell ROPE.
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ROCK!!!!!
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sava6e
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BIG FUCKIN ROCK!!!!!!, sadly the time i droped a baseball sized rock i yelled it and i heard my partner below me yell it so i knew he was chill but the idiot climbing next to us wasnt paying attention and got hit by it about 100' below me, can we say OUCH, no helmet or anything can we say SMART, anywho yelling rocks is like this universal oh shit i better get the hell out of the way.
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"Below" or "rock below".
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nicklambert
Mar 16, 2005, 9:30 AM
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In Britain, the universal shout is 'Below'. This applies to any plumetting object, be it rock, gear, pipe, picnic hamper etc. If you are throwing down a rope, typically you would shout 'Rope below' a few seconds before doing so.
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Nick
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yedaki
Mar 16, 2005, 10:57 AM
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In France/Belgium e.a.: caillou
Not 'pierre'.
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azrockclimber
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no matter what falls you should yell "rock"...nalgene....cam...doesn't matter.
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in ireland its "below" as well which is close to belay but since we dont ever shout belay its not a problem.
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I climb mostly in area's where people speak german(germany, austria)
So if I drop something I always yell stein.
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Mar 16, 2005, 12:36 PM
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There was that one time that all I could get out was "Ock", but "Rock" is the preferred warning...
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"ROCK!!!" is so simple... I occasionally change it up by saying "pebble" if it is so small my partner would barely feel it. But the intensity with which I use usually dictates the severity and size of the rock. I yelled rock many many times to an old partner and he was quite shocked one time when I screamed it with such intensity, that he moved rather quickly behind a flake in time to see a refrigerator size boulder go by. He said he had never heard me sound so scared.
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Hmm, so in US and Canada it's ROCK (well actually ROCK, EH! in Canada and RAHK in NE US :wink: ) and in the UK and Ireland it's BELOW. What is it in Australia and NZ?
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In reply to: In reply to: "f---/or(depends on the mood)/s---!!! rocks!!" my version.. :D once again...if someone just yelled f--- or s---, I would look up to see what was goin on...it wouldn't occur to me that something was hurtling at my face. If something falls, always yell rock, and nothing else.
Damn right. (In America) The word is rock, not "fucking rock," "oh shit, rock," "big rock," or any combination of rock and any other word. Just ROCK... as loud as you can... over and over again if necessary.
I'll add that when you're the person below and someone above yells rock, you don't run and you don't look up. You stand still and scrunch under your helmet, or cover your head with your arms if you aren't wearing one.
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Mar 16, 2005, 2:51 PM
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ROCK!
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In reply to: I'll add that when you're the person below and someone above yells rock, you don't run and you don't look up. You stand still and scrunch under your helmet, or cover your head with your arms if you aren't wearing one.
I've been on a few adventures where this would be a bad idea. Little trav-dawg was told to move once, so he moved, but when the (BIG) rock came down, it bounced and headed straight for him. I didn't know he could move so fast.
Once in the BSF a friend and I were climbing and we heard a sound of rumbling and breaking trees. I think if one like that comes off you'd better be moving.
Just don't run down hill, or away from the wall, that's the way the rocks usually go.
You really do need to be paying attention though, because sometimes, even a rock or chunk of wood tossed in a seemingly safe direction gets a notion that there is a target below and magically caroms and then homes in on the only human in the area.
I have one friend who says, "Headache.", when he drops anything.
Seriously, it's a good idea to let the second dispose of the big stuff, and make sure that nobody else is below before you do. But some things need to go right then, because a controlled droop is way better than a suprize drop. Whoever is on the ground MUST pay attention.
Some of These ideas are only applicable to developing routes in isolation. At a popular crag where others would be at risk, the rules are different. If you are not certain that it is safe to drop stuff, don't drop stuff.
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In reply to: I climb mostly in area's where people speak german(germany, austria) So if I drop something I always yell stein. |
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Mar 16, 2005, 3:04 PM
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Out on the ice it's funny to hear "ICE!". I continue to yell "ROCK!" If any thing falls its a rock and should be treated as such. The first time I heard ICE I thought, "yep it sure is."
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Mar 16, 2005, 3:18 PM
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that depends. i usually yell "rock" or "beware" (doesnt sound like "belay" in slovenian).
plus it usually doenst matter what you yell, smart people start lookig for safety as soon as somebody yells something above them.
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One time in redrocks I dropped a #4 camalot, and I scremed "Hello, watch out, I seem to have accidently dropped my large spring loaded camming device!!!!!!" But by then it had already impacted squarely with my belayer's forehead.
In the US, just yell ROCK!
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rockhound71
Mar 16, 2005, 3:32 PM
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The sky is falling! The sky is falling! :P
Seriously, if it's rock or gear (hopefully not), I yell, ROCK!!!
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T10 RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
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In reply to: "ROCK!!!" is so simple... I occasionally change it up by saying "pebble" if it is so small my partner would barely feel it.
I normally yell ROCK. However, when it is small (and would only be a problem it got in your eyes), I will also yell PEBBLES, which means, don't look up.
If I drop something so big that my belayer has to avoid it at all cost (or be seriously hurt/killed), I yell LOOK OUT, which means, you got to look and be ready to move.
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Mar 16, 2005, 5:36 PM
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No matter what it's always ROCK.
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Mar 16, 2005, 5:59 PM
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when rockclimbing it's ROOOOOOOOOOOOOOCK!
when ice climbing and it's a big chunk of ice, not your normal shedding of ice bits it's ICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCE!
nothing else should be said
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Mar 16, 2005, 6:02 PM
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Kivi or Jää, mayby if climbing near Germany stein.
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the point of yelling rock is not to let someone know a rock is falling...it's to let them know something is falling. If it's a rock, yell rock. If it's a chunk of ice, yell rock. If it's a biner, yell rock. If it's your cell phone, yell rock. If it's a Marvin Gaye album, yell rock. If it's If it's a 1979 pink cadillac, yell rock. Starting to get the hang of this? This is not something that you and your belayer can make your own commands for (like on belay/belay on). This is something that, if you use it, everyone around should instantly know to get out of the way. That is why yelling rock has become universal.
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Mar 16, 2005, 6:38 PM
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What should I yell again?
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I agree that the intensity of my "rock" exclamation is directly related to the size of the object that's falling. As a good illustration of what not to yell, I was once on a college-sponsored rock climbing trip with a group including a couple of guys who had next to no social skills and absolutely no common sense. One of them was at the top of a cliff we were top-roping and hadn't buckled on his helmet. He looks over the edge to check out the climbers and the helmet goes careening off his head. He yells "helmet" and the climber below him looks up and narrowly misses being beaned in the face. Later the climber told us that his first thought at hearing "helmet" was "but I've got my helmet on..."
btw, the guy at the top was from then on referred to as "Helmet", while his sidekick was later dubbed "Tool"
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Here in Lima, Perú, we yell ¡¡¡¡PIEDRAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!! (stone in english)
also there are some changes
when throwing the rope before a rapell, we yell ¡¡¡¡CUERDAAAA!!! (rope)
usually if it is something that cost money, like a cam, a biner or your cell phone we say to ourselves "uy chucha" or "chez", then comes "ta mare", then we yell ¡¡¡CUIDAOOOOOO!!!! (beware)
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In reply to: I have one friend who says, "Headache.", when he drops anything.
Has he worked construction? When I was a sweep, we commonly yelled "headache" before chucking items off a roof/chimney. I knew what it meant the first time I heard it on a job site.
Like the majority, I yell "Rock!" as loud as I can. I will call out repeatedly until I'm reasonably sure the rock has reached the end of its travels. Ever dislodge something small on a ledge, scream bloody murder, then have it stop two feet from the edge? It's better to be careful, but I generally feel like an ass at that point.
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Mar 16, 2005, 8:59 PM
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In reply to: One of them was at the top of a cliff we were top-roping and hadn't buckled on his helmet. He looks over the edge to check out the climbers and the helmet goes careening off his head. He yells "helmet" and the climber below him looks up and narrowly misses being beaned in the face. Later the climber told us that his first thought at hearing "helmet" was "but I've got my helmet on..." btw, the guy at the top was from then on referred to as "Helmet", while his sidekick was later dubbed "Tool"
:P One can never forget Helmet and Tool!!!
& then you had to climb Devils Tower with Helmet!
& and tradclimbinfool got stuck climbing with Tool!
:lol: Oh the memories!
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You know you've been climbing too long or to much when...
This one time I was playing ultimate with some friends but there was some new grass seed near the back of one of the end zones and the city had put one of those orange plastic fences around it. Sure enough at some point this disk goes floating into the end zone, a firend and I are both charging after it when I look ahead see the fence rapidly approaching. All I could think to yell was "ROCK!!!" rather than "Watch Out" or "STOP!". Anyways he hit the fence but still caught the disk.
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Yelling anything before rock is wasting time. By the time you get out oh fuk or oh sh!t it may have already hit them by the time you get to ROCK!!! It's pretty straight forward really and not confusing to yell ROOOOOCCCCKKKK!!!
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"ROCK!" always. Usually by the intensity and inflection of "ROCK!" can my partner(s) determine the gravity (pun intended) of the situation.
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In reply to: In reply to: I have one friend who says, "Headache.", when he drops anything. Has he worked construction? When I was a sweep, we commonly yelled "headache" before chucking items off a roof/chimney. I knew what it meant the first time I heard it on a job site. Like the majority, I yell "Rock!" as loud as I can. I will call out repeatedly until I'm reasonably sure the rock has reached the end of its travels. Ever dislodge something small on a ledge, scream bloody murder, then have it stop two feet from the edge? It's better to be careful, but I generally feel like an ass at that point.
He does tree work.
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usually works well.
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Mar 16, 2005, 10:43 PM
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oh fuck
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No -- that's what you yell when you're belaying and you hear your partner yell ROCK! :P
JL
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So for those of you in the UK, you still use "belay on" and "belay off" commands? If so do you ever have problems with miscomunications yelling "below" when a rock falls?
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In reply to: So for those of you in the UK, you still use "belay on" and "belay off" commands? If so do you ever have problems with miscomunications yelling "below" when a rock falls?
Well, I use 'Off belay', but not 'On belay'. I've never encountered a confusion between these and 'below', probably because it is almost always the second shouting 'off belay' from his/her stance. (I use 'Climb when ready' when I've got someone on belay.)
Cheers,
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Ok, I just asked because I heard a story about a pair of climbers who were having comunication problems. The leader was thinking that he could rapp down while his belayer had mistaken "below" for "belay" and thought that the leader was now off belay. The leader started to rapp down... fell... hit his head on the branch of a tree, which flipped his body right side up. He landed on his feet after falling like 60 feet (?) and broke everything... but he lived
just thought that yelling "below" would cause more problems but apparently not.
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all my climbing partners in scotland, england, and s. africa all used "safe" to indicate they were off belay at the end of their pitch, and "climb" or "climb when ready" to indicate the second was on belay, and "below" to indicate something was hurtling through space toward the unsuspecting knuckle heads below..... as you can see, there is nothing for below to be confused with cause nobody used "belay" as a command.....
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....was on the grand wall back in 98 just finishing the traverse before the split pillar and we heard this shout.... sounded like "Poooo!"..... but an instant later found that the call was infact "Shoe!".... a hiking boot came galloping down the steep wall to the right of the split pillar, and bounced right over our heads.... NEXT came..... a camera..... then another hiking boot, to match the first..... and then a coiled rope.... and each object had it's own call.... my belayer wore the rope around his shoulders and it f*ckin hurt, especially all coiled like that.... it seems their backpack they had with them somehow opened up and started to empty itself....
....The camera was indeed a sound.... not just the crunching, smashing, grinding sound of it falling 400', but the dollar signs flying in all directions too....
....Still, that's the only time I've heard "rope" and had the whole damn thing hit us.... literally....
....They of course rapped back down to the clapping and cheering of the hoards that attended the spectacle.... we just handed them their rope and pointed to where the other 'pieces' had ended up in the forest below....
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