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rwaltermyer
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OFFICIAL STATEMENT
My fellow RC.com climbers:
It is my unfortunate responsibility to inform you that the gathering will not occur as originally scheduled on Friday, Nov 1st to Sunday, Nov, 3rd. Allow me to explain:
As popularity of the gathering increased, concern was raised by the climbing community that such an event would stress the access sensitivity of Birdsboro. Ten years ago, the area was opened after much negotiations. After that, sensitivity remained in limbo. However, with time, the access today is quite lax. Nonetheless, PA climbers are all too familiar with access problems. Gems like Safe Harbor, Sex Wall, and Governor Stables are---or once closed as a result of access issues. And it is no one’s intention for such a place as Birdsboro to once again be added to the list.
When such a concern was raised, Mitch and myself began to investigate. Our finding from Birdsboro Town Hall were quite positive. However, under the advise of the Access Fund, we were required to receive written permission for such an official gathering to take place. Unfortunately, in regards to obtaining an approval through the legal matters we were given definite answer. Birdsboro town hall is researching the matter, but they have not made any promises. Under such uncertainty in regards to how long such a process would take, we are forced to inform everyone of this situation and officially call off the gathering. However, it should be stated that climbing is still permitted at Birdsboro. Please keep in mind these concerns! Be responsible and courteous!
In retrospect, talk of the gathering has raised concerns which needed to be addressed; efforts are underway to reform the Birdsboro Access Committee which will bridge conversation between the town and climbers, the Access Fund and the Pennsylvania Alliance of Climbers. Furthermore, it is our hope that certain improvements will be the result of continued effort of the part of the climbing community.
Mitch has told me that he is still offering his backyard for those that would like to get a taste of some of the other areas in SE PA. If the weather turns sour, a possible indoor gathering at Cliffhangers in Reading (15 minutes from Birdsboro) is still being considered. Furthermore, I understand that other impromptu gatherings are in the works. Please PM myself or Mitchal for more information and any concerns.
Once again we apologize for such an inconvenience. Stay tuned to RC.com for future details regarding access, initiatives, etc.
Climb on—responsively—my fellow climbers,
Randy
Stuff that doesnt't matter anymore....welcome to the Birdsboro Gathering Command Post. I'm going to keep all the vital information on this first posting so we don't all have to dig through this huge thread.
Please continue to post questions and concerns.
LINKS: BACK TO GATHERING LISTING
CAMPING THREAD
GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER
WILL YOU BE THERE ON FRIDAY
LUNCH SIGNUP
FOOD THREAD
CAMPING
FrequentlyAskedQuestions
(No need to look through 100+ posts!!!) :
What kind of climbing does Birdsboro offer?
Mitchal describes the climbs as nearly three dozen granite sport climbs ranging for 5.6 to 13. These climbs also have toprope potential for the newbies.
Where can I stay?
Mitchal(mitchal) has offered his backyard for camping.
Nate(mmindtrap) says "Ok, here is what I hava avalable for lodging: One futon bed that can sleep two people, One foam mat that is the size of a twin bed, and one couch. Floor space is also avalable if anyone wants that, or if you own a cot.
Just let me know if you want to stay at my place, and we can make the necessary plans.
-Nate-"
Also, camping is available at French Creek State Park. However, alcohol is forbidden at the state park.
** Get Directions to Mitch's or Nate's by clicking on their name and sending them a PM!
What about food?
We've concluded that we're going to meet at Dante's Depot in our FOOD THREAD. Meeting Time: 7 PM. Saturday breakfast will be made seperately at Mitch and Nate's place. For lunch, if interest is shown, lunch meat can be bought locally to make subs at the rock. Saturday dinner will consist of a Chili Cook-out; we are considering other alternatives for the dinner, for those of us who don't like chili. Let us know with your ideas! Sunday breakfast and lunch will basically be the same as Saturday and Sunday dinner, for most, will be on their way home!
What about all this access talk?
Just come as a responsible climber aware that we want to represent RC.com and the climbing community as well as possible, leaving only footprints!
Directions?
Where are we meeting?
For the Friday crowd, we're meeting at Dante's Depot for dinner @ 7PM. If you follow the same directions as listed for the rock area, you find Dante's located on the right after you ignore the detour signs for Rt 82 South. PM who ever you're staying at to discuss whether you're going to drop in before we meet to eat. (And maybe a quick pump session at the rock beforehand!)
Saturday, you can park at Hay Creek and follow the signs into the rock (about a 10 easy minute walk). Anne has assured everyone that the signs will be easy to follow and you'll run into everyone at the rock face.
We've listed where everyone is coming from in case you need a ride!
Attendee's as 10/16/02:
From PA:
rwaltermyer:Randy + twin bro...West Chester
climbinganne:Anne.............Camp Hill
mitchal:Mitch.....................Reading
mmindtrap:Nathan + 2 Guests..." "
bement:Andrew........................" "
noosphere:Brian...............Philadelphia
oakleymax15:Max...............Philly
gblauer:Gail......................Philly
gbjr78:Gary.....................Chester
pusherem:Eric.................Pottstown
chris1313:Chris..............Lancaster (+2 Guests)
peanutbutterandjelly:Todd...." "
evs786:Evan......................" "
rondij:Joe........................." "
fossilrock:Rashell..............East Petersburg
number7.........................Ephrata
mprediger:Michael.............Shrewsbury
dynov7...........................Pottstown
chakan:Gregg...................Hazleton (+2 guests)
paone:Steve....................Smethport
msecoda:Michael...............Southhampton
miles: Mark......................Bath
jeffe:Jeff.......................Blakeslee
jeepchic:Amber..................Palmyra
snibdogg20:Cary................Gettysburg
charley:Bill......................Mercer
lostangel:Dianna...............Altoona
tanderson:Tim...................Acme (SW PA)
aelita:Irina.....................Pittsburgh
eightdirtypaws:Mike.............. Glen Rock
From Maryland:
charrock:Charlie................Baltimore
erica44.............................Ft. Mead
clymberboy:Pat....................Severn
From Ohio:
betaben:Ben.....................Crooksville
From NJ:
clymber:Lew.....................Northeast(+ Inu)
iridesantacruz:Chris...........Morris County
From NC:
Dondiego & Miss Dondiego....Fayetteville
From VA:
howitzer:Abi + guest & dog ..Alexandria
From NY:
chrizstoff:Chris...................NYC
From CA:
rrradam & ikaren:adam and karen bingle
Orginal post:
Where sounds good? With the recent success i've been hearing from regulars like Mitchal, Anne, and Kagunkie, I'm excited to brainstorm for some events for the fall!
God Bless and Climb Hard
Randy
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miagi
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well, im in Ohio 10 min outside the SW border of PA. If you guys get something going in SW, let me know
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mitchal
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Hi,
Randy has come up with a good idea.I had a campout attempted this spring,no-one committed and it had to be canceled.I have met and climbed with a bunch of the folks here this summer and it was nothing short of phenominal.Let's get together and,,,get together.
Climb Happy
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well im not from PA but i would go....as for a plave for a gathering as far as i know theres not alot of places for a long time of climbing... you have the
deleware water gap(helmet suggested)
ralph stover , bellefonte, donation,chickies
a few places near scranton,haycock for bouldering and thats all i can think of
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chris1313
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I have 3 of us who would do a fall outing in the eastern part of PA and depending on the weekend. We have kids every other weekend. Please keep me posted!!
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I live near state college PA and would be willing to go just as long as it isnt during the NH gathering cause I am going to that too... so keep me posted.
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If your looking for a good place talk to the guys at the wilkes -barre rock gym there route setters are out every weekend. They would know a good place for a gathering. Expect me there if you get one going. To reach the gym go to www.wbcg.net
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mitchal
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Thanksgiving weekend sounds good to me.It is awful late in the fall though,don't you think?If it's a day off extra during the weekend you were hoping for,most people don't get that day anymore,damned employers are too stingy.
I'm good for any weekend after 10-13.
How 'bout some more suggestions,then a vote.
Climb Happy
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paone
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Early this spring Miagi and I both attended a get together in Dunbar, PA (south western PA) at a place the locals call the Lost Crag. Some more of you might have been there as well? Anyway, a few local climbers there have done an awesome job setting a batch of sport and trad routes and have put a ton of time (and money) into mapping out the crag and the routes. There are at least 65 routes in this small area (but no real multi pitch stuff). There are also several other small crags located within an hour's driving from the Lost Crag and Ohiopyle State Park is right down the road offering camping, biking, hiking, and rafting. Everyone should check out Tim Anderson's web site : www.climbpa.com . Look under "Rock Climbing PA" and click on "Western PA Crags". You'll find Lost Crag and several other Dunbar areas there. Since it's in southern PA the camping and climbing should still be nice and warm in September and early October.
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noosphere
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Hey, this sounds like a great idea.
I would love to help out as much as I can.
I'll have to find out dates that I can do it though.
Quick question, since I'm still relatively new at this, do you guys mind me tagging along? I can be the belay bitch!
I would love to learn as much from other people as much as possible.
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guys, he's all mine, you hear ???...i love my new belay bitch!!!!!
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noosphere
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Am I going to have to bring some sort of tazer stick to keep people away?
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climbinganne
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with this crew...hell yeah!!!
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peanutbutterandjelly
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I would be willing to do something. The middle 2 weekends of November would work for me. Thanksgiving might work depending on the day. There is one thing that must happen if we do this and that is we have to get lost.
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noosphere
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Sorry to interupt this thread.
This has nothing to do with getting together to climb, but instead getting together to camp and get drunk. A local bar that my band plays at has a party every year that anyone is invited to. You can check it out at http://www.thenail1.com. It is called Wheelstock. The event is completely free, but you have to be 21 or older. I'd be willing to transport a few people from Philadelphia. It's really cool to camp out with a bunch of friends and get together with people you don't know. FREE BEER, FREE FOOD!
PM me if interested.
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how about a get together at tucquan overhangs? there is camping at the pequea campgrounds and is only a short drive from the nature preserve. Its one of my fav. places. If not there, maybe at chickes? Just a thought. Ill be sure to show in the fall if I can get there, sounds like a lot of fun.
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rwaltermyer
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not to knock to the T-Hangs but theres not that much to get excited about. Sure, the bouldering is decent, but that's it. And the only reason that the locals go there is because there's nothing else open cuz of the railroad. Even Chickies seems limiting, I'd like to head elsewhere, expand my horizons....
How about up around Mocanaqua, I hear theres is tons of rock. Stoney Ridge has a zoo full (actually 65 or so) sport and trad routes, short but great! Ummm....not sure where else to recommend. As for dates, anytime sounds good. Lets not plan TOO far into November, we don't want to be climbing in Football whether. Also, keep in mind of hunting...they're in full swing by Thanksgiving if that matters.
God Bless,
Randy
PS. Its exciting to hear the great response from the PA Gang. Keep your eyes and ears posted about the Governor Stables Bouldering Comp in the Spring. Definitely AWESOME! We had atleast 100 climbers there for the FIRST COMP. I can't wait to see the numbers for next...
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I might be interested depending on when it is. Watch out for Thanksgiving weekend as that Saturday starts rifle season for deer. Let me know when and where I am defintely interested.
Climb safe
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Near Moconagua you also have Paradise and the Library
Paradise has trad and sport
The Library has harder sport 5.9 to 5.13
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Here are SOME of the hunting season dates for this fall that we should consider when deciding when and where to climb:
Oct. 5- Nov. 16 Archery
Oct. 19-26 Antlerless deer -Muzzleloader
Climbing at The Lost Crag (my orignal suggestion) might not be a good idea during these times because the crag lies on State Game Lands regulated by the PA Game Commission.
Let's do something in September. Central sounds good so noone is stuck crossing the entire state on their scant free time
Hey, Anne, Thanksgiving will be the week following NOVEMBER 18, not October. ~
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rwaltermyer
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I like the idea of shickshinny/mocanaqua....i've only been to the main wall (according to the Dbase) which has the infamous table rock at the entrance and the Pizza Route. How does that sound for Western PA guys? How is access at the other spots, Library, etc?
How about the weekend of October 25th, since that would be after the gatherings which Anne brought to our attention.
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noosphere
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The 25th is no good for myself, but if everyone else can do it I'll just show on the 26th.
How about Nov. 1, 2, 3?
HeHe 123
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ALRIGHTY...i knew i messed up with the oct thanksgiving and was waiting to see who was gonna catch that one...hmmmmmmmm, steve!!!!
shoot i dunno what day it is...let alone what month thanksgiving is in...teehee!!!
here is my suggestion...
Birdsboro...free camping and only paintball hunting allowed...enough climbing for all of us for a weekend and never need to wait "in line"...there is a variety of sport routes.
close to town and a sweet little park to eat and gather by the creek...
there's trad and other sport near by at neversink...and i am game for any weekend before or after the first two weekends in oct!!!
it is relativly safe for children {i have two which will prolly be with me} for those other parents out there and parents of dogs (hint hint...clymber)....they are also welcome there!!!!
****but clymber (lew) sounds like he knows about another place...how about some more beta..lew, about camping and bla bla bla...kids and dog friendliness....
welp off to west viginia today for the long weekend...ill be checking in if the old computer is working down there...
thank you all for your responses, sounds like this may be a nice gathering, AND IT'S ABOUT TIME FOLKS!!!!
wishing everyone health and happiness til we all meet up!!!!! ~anne
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i would also love to join you guys! i live just east of Hershey. i climb a lot at Chickies, the Quarry in Reading, and Rocks State Park in Maryland, but i am willing to travel anywhere in PA to climb! this weekend we are headed out to the Pittsburgh area. keep me posted!
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Hi there, I'm from reading, and I would like to join in on this gathering.
If it were my choice, we should go to High Rocks(Ralph Stover). Birdsboro is nice but it can be really hard on your hands in the later months because no sun shines on the walls.
Well, where evre is decided, I will be sure to attend.
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Weekends that are good for me are:
10/5-6
10/19-20
11/2-3
11/16-17
and yes ... Thanksgiving weekend 11/29-31.
Anne, Birdsboro sounds great.
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noosphere
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Birdsboro sounds fine.
Paintball eh? How fast can everyone climb!?
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rwaltermyer
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Birdsboro sounds great. However, let me make a confession, I've never climbed sport before. (If I could climb as much as i'm on this stinkin website, I could flash anything) However, the reality is, that I have a whole lot of enthusiaism, but as much much climbing ability.
Therefore, is there toping potenitial there as well?
Also, what about the WAIVERS? Mitchal mentioned in the Birdsboro Dbase, about getting Waivers....is that something we need to look into. Especially, if we gather under the name of RC.com, we should make a good impression.
Let me know....the dates sound good!
And, if we get tired of Birdsboro. We can head to MT. gretna, Lancaster, Philly....
Good Location, plus easy access from the Turnpike.
God Bless
Randy
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noosphere
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Ok, so far what I have as the potential gathering info is:
Pennsylvania RC.com gathering
Birdsboro, PA
November 1-3 2002
If noone has any problems with those dates then we just need people and at least one person that knows what the hell they are doing.
Just so everyone knows, I have been gym climbing for about 2 months, all TR, no lead, a "real" rock virgin, and certified at Philadelphia Rock Gym to belay with a grigri.
I'm taking a class for tr climbing outside soon, and will be ice climbing come winter.
Just wanted to throw that out there so everyone knew my situation.
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I hope this isn't to late but does anyone want to climb at Ralph Stover, or chickies on Monday, Let me know.
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i have been away and just got back. I would love to tag along and climb. so far the dates sound good. Have not climbed in a month, going through withdrawl. Top rope 5.9 have done a little sport climbing.
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The location and the dates of
Birdsboro
Nov 1-3
are good for me and I will not get lost getting there, since I have relatives there.
Todd
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Hi All,
Anne and I climb at Birdsboro quite often.I put together the listing of routes for there.It is in the routes DB.As for waivers,I think I amended that post,waivers are no longer required to climb at the quarry,just good old manners and ethics.As this is one of my main climbing spots,I will accept bribes,gifts,etc. for beta and help on the routes there.It's possible that a few may camp out behind my place in the woods,it's been done before.
I'll put more in a few,I have a car to fix.
Climb Happy
Mitch
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Hey all,
I don't know where you sign up for this, or if it is an exclusive outing, but I would love to tag along. It sounds like a good time. I'm a college student and with my schedule its hard to get weekends in like this unless I plan way in advance, so this is great for me. I would love to get away from the frat party scene for a weekend of climbing. Let me know if you all don't mind an extra climber. Thanks, Rock On, Cary
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How about a little info on birdsboro. Quanity of routes and maybe a guestamate at numbers of routes per grade? I know nothing about it except what is in yhe database which is little. It still says waivers are needed. Thanks folks.
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I don't mind keeping dibs on who wants to go.
I've never been there so I can't answer those types of questions, but it seems Mitch and Anne know about this place.
So I guess if you want, PM me and I'll save it until we get more info. I'll post who I have each week day so we know the who and what.
This is so going to rock! (pun intended)
(My band has a show on Saturday night, Nov. 2nd at The Grape Street Pub if anyone over 21 is interested and wants to take a side trip.)
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A great idea would be to post the list. Then keep EDITING IT, so we can find everyone in the same post.
Now have we confirmed a date yet? Nov 1-3?
PS. I must say its interesting to see all the rookies posting...that's pretty awesome it "see" so many newbies!!!
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noosphere
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Duh!
That is a good idea.
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November 1 - 3 PA RC.com @ Birdsboro, PA
Attendance
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Definite
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Brian C. (Noosphere)
Todd W. (Peanutbutterandjelly)
Chris R. (Chris1313)
Lynn R. ""
Adam R. ""
Mitch (Mitchal)
Randy (Rwaltermyer)
Gregg (Chakan)
Anne (Climbinganne)
Nate (Mmindtrap)
Maybe
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I love it when a plan comes together!
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Mitchal--will attend for sure
Who is camping at my place?
No waivers
Granite climbs
21 routes in small areas,all grades
11 routes on "bigwall" 5.10 and above
PM me for any questions
Look for pictures I have posted in "ROUTES"/"BIRDSBORO"
Randy,you will do fine here!
STOKED and READY
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alrighty folks...good job...im in west virginia cooking and cranking like a fool....i will take care of getting this thing official...see everyone on the front page!!!!
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Sounds great!!
November 1 - 3 PA RC.com @ Birdsboro, PA
Attendance
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Chris R.
Lynn R.
Adam R.
Mitch:
We would love to camp!!!
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Charley...it says edit...so you can change them later...
wrote to rrradam he is gonna help us get thing thing official...thanks in advance adam!!!!
haha...just reread my misspelled and messed up message and had to edit...teehee
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sounds like a plan!! How far is this from hazleton?
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noosphere
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According to mapquest, about 74 miles.
Mapquest Directions
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cool beans!! well you can put my name down the dates look good so far. I don`t think I have anything planned. So i`ll be there with bells and twinkly things on.
I lead about 5.10a to 5.11b tho haven`t been on rock for along time!! I haven`t done any trad or multipitch.
but really looking forward to this!! see you guys there! is it alright if I camp behind the house?
Thanks
Gregg
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MAN....this is going to be AWESOME!!!
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YUPPERS...RANDY AND ALL!!!!!!
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Ok, I am definately there, I live in Exeter township, 5 min from Birdsboro, so if anyone needs a place to stay, let me know. My name is Nate(610-637-8178)call me to make plans. I have 1 extra bedroom, and a big foam Mattress to lend out, as well as floor space. Oh yeah, one other thing, you have to like dogs, I have two of them.
My Eamil is Mmindtrap@aol.com
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Edit title of this thread to reflect date and place to be less confusing, and increase users planning to attend to get this linked to the FP.
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Moved to Event's & Gatherings.
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Now that it seems we've settled a date and location. I believe it would help to settle out some details.
Such as:What about food? Bring some to share? Or everyone for themselves?
A meeting time?
Directions? (Those can probably wait) But we should identify a central meeting location if we're going to be staying at multiple locations.
Others? I'm tired and can't think anymore. (First week of classes )
God Bless-->Randy
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Hi,
How bout we do a meal that we all share,a dinner,and leave the rest to each of our own devices?
How many are going to camp out back,I need to know.No-one sleeping in the driveway this time.Got Gregg and maybe Chris and Co. so far,let's get a number.
PM me if you want to camp out back.
Is this in hunting season?
Mitch
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rwaltermyer
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mitch...according to paone's earlier post, the only hunting that would be occuring would be archery for deer.
Being a hunter, upon a time myself, I do believe that small game (rabbits, squirels, and pheasants) are open as when. But those hunters are never to worry about.
How do we want to work the accomdations? I know a friend in Elverson, which I believe is just down the road, would it be best for us to spread out or concentrate everyone at the two places that have already been offered up? Another concern is parking everyone at the two houses.
Are we planning on getting some climbing in friday night. Keep in mind, by Nov. its getting dark considerably earlier.
Lets keep blazin' through these details guys.
God Bless
Randy
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We could eat at the Old Country Buffet, In Reading. I just drink a lot of beer at the northeast taproom.
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climbinganne
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wait til we have the total # attendimg before talkng food preperation etc, wait til...like the 2nd week of oct...we can start to think about that stuff...lets concentrate on lodging...
i count 26 so far saying they wanna be there-with their guests etc.
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i've climbed at Birdsboro and have some info for you guys.
there are approx 20 climbs. only two 5.8's and two 5.9's. the rest are upper level 5.10's and 5.11's, with a few 5.12's and one 5.13. in other words, it is very fun but no easy routes. all sport climbs with cold shuts as top anchors - very solid pro.
hope this helps to plan your gathering.
Amber
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I am SO SAD about this!! I was getting so psyched for this until I read Amber's message about the grades. Count me and my crew out, I guess, 'cause I'm the only one that could climb that stuff and I'd burn fast. Oh well. Have a great time, anyway, you guys! I'll meet y'all sometime.
-Steve
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Well its not time to be SAD quite yet. Lets discuss this. I, myself, won't flash a ten either. However, Mitchal's earlier post seemed to describe the small"er" area as "all grades". Now, I've never been there so I'm seeking for some clarification as to what "ALL GRADES" means.
I don't want this to be an upper level/elite gathering. Especially, since I originally posted this thread, and I can't climb 5.10s or above. So, lets get confirmation of the grades and work from there. If that is the case, Neversink is close by. And Chickies is within striking distance if we want to split up for an afternoon session.
God Bless
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rwaltermyer
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After scooping out Mitchal's Beta in the Dbase. I, who climb 8s and 9s, am interested in several climbs.
Check it out: Birdsboro Beta
God Bless,
Randy
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mitchal
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Hey,
There are many climbs less than 10's at the area.If that isn't enough,there is the ctrag atop Neversink,which is where I live,as well as many climbs in the valley behind my house,where there will be camping,and many bouldering problems too.I have one especially in mind for you Randy,200' of 45 degree run, going uphill.
Also at Birdsboro,there are spots that can be toproped at any climbing grade level you may feel comfortable at.
COME ONE....COME ALL!!!
Climb Happy
Mitch
Thanks for adding that link Randy!
I take my granmama climbing there,I don't wanna hear no excuses!
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rwaltermyer
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So, we've resolved the rating and abiiity situation, lets make sure to fiugre out the housing and lodging like Anne suggested.
How many can Nate accommadate?
Mitch, how many can you?
PS. I'm definitely bringing my camera along to get some shots of the event. However, I've never established a hanging rapell. How about just TRing it? Does anyone have any suggestions? If you do, PM me, don't post it on this thread.
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chakan
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this sounds like an awesome climbing trip!!! I`ll be def bringing my camera as well.. borrow the digital from the parents!!
Since I don`t know PA all that well i`ll let you guys decide the place to meet and whatnot. I`ll keep readin for details.
See ya all soon!!
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Ok, here is what I hava avalable for lodging.
One futon bed that can sleep two people,
One foam matt that is the size of a twin bed,
and one couch.
Floor space is also avalable if anyone wants that, or if you own a cot.
Just let me know if you want to stay at my place, and we can make the necessary plans.
-Nate-
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noosphere
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November 1 - 3 PA RC.com @ Birdsboro, PA
Attendance
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Definite
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Brian C. (Noosphere)
Todd W. (Peanutbutterandjelly)
Chris R. (Chris1313) [Camp@Mitch]
Lynn R. "" [Camp@Mitch]
Adam R. "" [Camp@Mitch]
Mitch (Mitchal) [Mitch]
Randy (Rwaltermyer)
Gregg (Chakan) [Camp@Mitch]
Anne (Climbinganne)
Nate (Mmindtrap)
Maybe
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I love it when a plan comes together!
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noosphere
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Ok, out of the list of people that I have down as attending, how many can offer some sort of lodging, and how many can they fit?
Also, how many people will be bringing guests not from rc.com?
I will keep this tally up to date. I seemed to have lost my way when they moved the post.
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chakan
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I might be bringin 2 people not from rc.com... but this is still yet unconfirmed. Will speak to them this week/weekend and see what they decide.
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Ok...looks like you guys are doing a hell of a job...oozingpustule would like to grace us with his presence...let's keep our fingers crossed...but i would like to make special arrangement for him...any beds open???
I'll camp anywhere...i guess at Mitch's since his parents and his dog like me better than him, anyhow...teehee....
noosphere...I went through the thread and found a lot of maybes...i though my count was like 22....
here's the list i compiled:
Climbinganne + poss kids (2)
mitchal
chris1313 +2
rwaltermyer
noosphere
rondij
peanutbutterandjelly
snibdogg20
charley
evs786
clymber
lostangel
mscoda
paone.....COME ON STEVE....!!!!!!!!!!!
jeepchic
mmindtrap
rockhopper - NO
moonhopper
chakan
we'll see....
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Looks good on attendance so far.
Someone raise the questions about Friday nite. Good point. Since it will be dark when many people get off work and they have that "out by dark" restriction, we should consider climbing Sat and Sun.
As far as lodging, it would be fun to stay relatively close together. Let's not forget that French Creek State Park is only minutes away. Myself, plus 2 are still on track for staying at Mitch's, however, if enough people wanted to tent it at French Creek, we would be up for that as well!
Randy, just to throw my 2 cents in, we climbed this weekend at Birdsboro. Yes, the climbs are not easy. Note, that means no 5.1-5.4. However, the 5.6 and 5.7 are actually easy. My 11 year old daughter did them both this weekend. Additionally, there will be enough people there that I am sure manyt people would not mind leading a route and setting it up as a top rope. I am sure there will be ropes hanging everywhere that weekend. So much looking fun to it!!
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noosphere
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Ok, this posting crap is a pain in the ass when it comes to planning.
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What is the camping situation at French Creek? Just some woods to put a tent or accomadations? Water? Bathroom/Showers? Pay?
I'm sure we can keep entertained on Friday even if it'll be too dark to climb. That might be a good night to go out for a 'group dinner", that way we can meet each other, chat... otherwise, we'd be kinda seperated if we split to go to where we are staying.
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Myself and the missus are a maybe for this trip. I would love to come up and climb with you guys. We'll see how things go at Rumney and then do our best to join you all.
-Don Diego-
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As if planning this isn't enough on our plate. I'm throwing around the idea of a Chickies Rock Adopt-a-Crag Day for the Fall, maybe the Spring would be better, so we could climb the routes we scrub....
Anyway....check out that thread if you're interested. I hate to congest a thread with plugs for other topics, but I had to considering all the readings this one is getting. --Sorry guys.
PS Please ignore my hasteful tone at the beginning of this post
God Bless, Randy
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Sorry guys but our group won't be able to make it only because of the comp at PRG on November the second. Have fun and climb hard. See you in the future.
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if theres a gathering ill go, im not to far. count me in, as long as i got wheels to go.
chris
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mitch, anne, i'm hurt. You guys sort this HUGE get together AFTER i leave for CA. For payback, i'm going to yosemite for thanksgiving, so . Hope you guys have a blast! don't rip your fingers to shreds on that one climb.
Eric
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Hey Mitch and Anne, this is Pup's friend that came along to Birdsborro and Im all for this thing. Depending on my work scheadule I may need to stay at your place mitch if thats alright. And to those concerned about the grades topropping is an option like Mitch said. Counting the days!
Bement
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ANDREW!!!!!!!!
HEHE...YOU THOUGHT I FORGOT, no way dude!!!!
so WTF...is your handle cement???
sure...we will count you in too...and welcome to RC.COM
and pupjr...yup, we did it on purpose, you (SOB)...move to Ca, we throw a party!!!!!
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PA gathering @ Birdsboro Nov. 1-3 2002
Definite Attendees
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Rwaltermyer (Randy)
Mitchal (Mitch)
Noosphere (Brian)
Chris1313 (Chris) +
2 Guests
Climbinganne (Anne) +
2 li'l guests
Peanutbutterandjelly (Todd)
Mmindtrap (Nathan)
Chakan (Gregg)
Clymber (Lew)
Lostangel (Dianna)
Might be attending
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Paone (Steve)
Evs786 (Evan)
Msecoda (Michael)
Jeepchic (Amber)
Rondij (Joe)
Snibdogg20 (Cary)
Charley (Bill)
2 Guests for Chakan
Dondiego and Miss Dondiego
Bement (Andrew)
Iridesantacruz (Chris)
Please PM if you are definitely going and if you are bringing guests other then the ones mentioned. Also, if you plan on camping, how many are sleeping in your tent?
I also need to know who can have people stay at their house, camp in their yard, or sleep on their porch, and how many you can sleep.
If everyone plans on attending that is on the maybe list, we may want to invest on staying at French Creek park for a few bucks and camp out there. We would all be together then, and we sing songs of incest and prarie dogs.
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You know, I was in favor of the French Creek idea, but then again its going to NOVERMBER. My cheapo sleeping bag may not get me through the night.
What are the accomadations at French Creek anyway?
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are we moving to the front page????
keeping track of the ppl on the first post????
lock this sucker up and send it to rest....
HELLO>>>>>>>>rrradam PMed me...randy????
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If anyone is thinking of a little libation(Drinky),French Creek is definately OUT!
The rangers will sniff anything else out as well,charges will be persued.
Just a word of experiance(sp)
Mitch
Yo Bement,glad to hear from you.
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experience...mitch
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I don't know much about French Creek park. Does anyone want to do a little homework?
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noosphere...did you read mitch's post...do drinky...no frenchy...no beta needed...
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Yea, but that is why I planned an excursion trip to Philadelphia to see my band perform at Grape Street Pub.
PSA - Don't drink and drive.
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SWEET JOB on the first post randy...way to go!!!....but hun...what about the directions?????
HAHAHAHAHAHA...randy, clymber's town is called 'northeast'...SLAM!!!!!
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well i definitely got shot down with the NE thing...but anyway....
I basically created us a homepages guys--and gals
Everything and anything ought to be on the gathering page or the first post of the the thread
randy
now just waiting to be on the FP!!!
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Cool! Nice job on the post.
- Brian
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Let me be the first to thank randy for all of his efforts and adam...for the beta and front page exposure....
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTT!!!!!!
YIP YIP YIP YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!
K, i feel better now!!!!
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oh thats so nice to see on the FRONT PAGE!
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Thank You to all who have made this possible!
I'd like to thank members of the harpooning staff, my peeps back in West, and Adam, you are my inspiration. *tear*
*sniffle*, Play *sniffle* ball.
(ps. if this were an actual emergency, there would be no crying in baseball)
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better not start crying when you are belaying me...noosphere
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did i mention I might have Attention Defic......ohh a butterfly....uh, oh.
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we've got to keep posting....i wanna catch up with the Rumney Gathering post....man we've got a long way to go....if we do, my rating will be through the roof....YES, thats my motivation....stinkin Anne & Mitchal came along and pumped me to #5, I liked #2 a whole lot better!
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well randy...it's called the route database...ever heard of it???...it cetrtainly wasn't from the crap i post in the community forum...hmmmmm, just to let you know...
and mitch he not only does his share of route info, but adds a lot of fine pictures to this site...but whatever makes you happy...go for the points dude!!!
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AWWWW Anne,
I feel so warm and fuzzy inside.
I wuv you too!
I was just out back looking at how many tents can fit.I think we will have plenty of room.
Can't wait.
there are also spots here on the mountain that can be climbed and bouldered.Just don't be leaving your climbing shoes lying around and expect them to be there when you come looking,they just might walk off,if they are size 11,that is.
Climb Happy
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Bring on that 45---not a forty, I mean the bouldering spot!!!
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rwaltermyer
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Kagunkie...i believe...mentions the possibily of needing helmets. Whats everyone(s) take on that for those of you have climbed there? I don't have one and was wondering if it is a NECESSARY investment.
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Remember all, like we've told 'beyond_gravity'... "It's quality not quantity."
Try to keep the crap down, and just keep the replies to the details, and who's coming. Otherwise, newer users will not want to read through all the drivel, to get the meat.
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climbinganne
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rrradam...you spoil sport don't piss in his oatmeal...hehe
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I'm a definite maybe, But should be there.
I don't care where I crash as long the climbings good and the beer is cold.
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Hey all: I tried to follow this gatherings post. Ain't been easy BUT I am interested. I'm on the mend (knee surgery)but am getting closer to climbing. May actually try this weekend. If all goes well over the next few weeks then I am in. I've talked to a few of you in the past and hope to meet everyone. The way I figure: climbing Birdsboro, camping at Mitchals (thanks for the spots) and Annie is cooking eveyone bacon & eggs in the morning. I will drive, small car seats 4, coming from Balto, others welcome to ride. Last time I tried to meet up with you Pennsyvanians it rain like hell. So let's hope for good weather. Nov can be a little iffy. Later Charlie
PS I can smell Annies bacon already:-)
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climbinganne
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Ok....Charlie...hehe...breakfast is on me, it's been a couple trips since i cooked bacon or sausage!!!
DON'T LET ME CONFUSE MY COFFEE CUP WITH THE GREASE CUP!!!
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ummmm.....well randy...to answer your question about helmets...I ALWAYS CARRY ONE...you can borrow mine!!!
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I emaied Rob Holtzman to invite him to the gathering and this is what he said:
Thanks fornthe invite. It may interest you to know there is an access agreement with the borough at birdsboro that there is not supposed to be any publicized info reguarding bordsboro. They allow climbing there due to this agreement so posting directions or inviting large crouds is probably not a good idea. I think its great to have a get together but the bird is supposed to be kept a low key area. Maybe you could just have people come who already know about the spot.
If you need to reply to this post, reply to squirt515@hotmail.com If you have any questions about the access issues there you can reach me at this adress in a week and a half.
You may be able to get away with having it there if you keep the numbers low. If not there are a lot of great spots that have better access...
Hmmm....guys. Mitchal, Nate any confirmation of this? Agree/Disagree?
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mitchal
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Well that kinda sucks.
I have tried getting info on the quarry from,The access fund,Birdboro City Hall,The "Elusive" Birdsboro Climbing Commitee, Bob Perna(Set most of the routes there) and have gotten ZILCH.
So who is this Rob Holtzman anyhow?And where is he getting his info?And why is this restriction NOT posted on any of the many signs there?
In the 2 years that I have been STEADY climbing there,I have never seen more than a dozen people at a time there,perhaps, that is why.I may have to delete my postings in "Routes" and keep the crag a secret(yeah right!)
Anyhow,I am there for the gathering,be there anyone else or not.
I am also going to send Mr. Holtzman a note to find out the details.This thing isn't dead yet.
And...On the Main page for the gathering,it says that my living room is available to crash in,It is the woods behind my house that is open for tents,as long as nobody gets out of hand.
Keep your ears out on this one,and keep the fingers crossed.If anyone hears anything,either PM me or post it here.
Thank you all.
Climb Happy
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climbinganne
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hahahahaha....as far as i know...there are fisherman, bikers, hikers, runners, walkers, dog ppl, paintball hunters....and climbers, yeah you always can jump on a route....but those that are coming to this event either would have found it eventually or are coming to climb for a weekend with their friends who LIVE HERE and CLIMB THERE...for gawds sakes...it is a friggin public park...dah...ppl love the fact that it isn't busy there...and i doubt the first weekend in november on a shade wall anyone's gonna be screaming shitzz about it!!
RANDY I THINK YOU DO TOO MUCH WRITING TO PPL....HEAR?????
anyhow...the party is still at birdsboro...see you all there and you will see the signs too!!
ps...this is an rc.com event...not a local yokal, randers
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YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M IN TOO!!!!!!
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rwaltermyer
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well lets just keep in mind to leave nothing more then footprints and careful consideration that we're representing the climbing community...am i going to let one unconfirmed warning stop me or us? No way, just thought it was appropiate to bring to everyones attention so we can be prepared to represent Rc.com and the climbing community in a reasonable fashion.
It would be horrible for us to lose access to this place. So lets go have fun, and not stir up any feathers.
God bless
randy
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Hi,
Way to piss off Anne Randy!
I am going to stop in at Birdsboro Town Hall and talk to Judge Smiley about the rules and regsulations at the quarry.I am not going to mention this little idea,just maybe throw the idea of something along these lines out on the table,and seee how she reacts.While she doesn't run the town,she has influence on how the area is used as it is part of the police practice range.She is a very reasonable woman,so we'll see what happens.
I have been informed that Rob Holtzman is a reliable source of beta on ANY rock in Pa., so what he says is more than likely correct.
Let's all see how this all pans out,not being an organized thing and all.
I'll keep you all posted.
Climb Happy(and quietly)
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I'm overit mitch...lemme know what the nice judge says!!!!
anyone with a name like smiley gotta be cool!!!
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what is the settting of birdsboro, is it in town, that it can be patrolled easily? Or fairly remote? Do lots of people use it? Would 15 or so cars set off some alarms at the Hay Creek Park parking lot? Is the area visible to residents?
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the cars at hay creek will be fine...the rocks are faily remote...no one can "hear" us...except for others on the rocks...as i explained earlier...this area is used for a variety of activities...all will be fine, stop the friggin panic attack!!!
it all cool!!!! nobody is going to be busted for anything and no one is gonna say we can't climb there...let it go now randy...
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just making sure...i'm a detail freak...i'm sure you've realize that and are fed up with that fact too!
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we cool, baby!!!!
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I think I'll be healed by then (broken ankle/foot) and will make it (hopefully with my man and dog in tow)- I've been trying to climb with Anne for months now!!! yeah gurl.
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count me in.
I am coming from Fort Meade, MD. 15 minutes south of baltimore.
see ya there.
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My God, you people are driving me crazy. I don't know what all of this talk is about limited access to the old quary, but as long as I have been there, there has never been any posted rules of the number of people permited to use the grounds. I say full steam ahead with the plans, and lets have a good time. But just remember, as long as we behave and leave only footprints, Birdsboro township should have no problem or knowledge of us being there.
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Don't you...you ppl me nate!!!!!
IT WAS ALL RANDY!!!!!!
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BTW....YEAH!!!!!!!
LOOK AT ALL THE CHICKS COMING...YOU'D THINK WE WERE CLIMBING AT CHICKIES!!!!!!!!
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*grin
anyway can I ask anyone who is coming for a little favor. If anyone is passing near hazleton/scranton/wilkes barre or somewhere nearish me (hazleton) could we please meet up and i`ll follow you there? Me not know the way and I could prolly get mapquest directions... but still a bit iffy.
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climbinganne
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GREGG...pm clymber (LEW)... i think he would be driving by your way...
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HI
Im definatly in. Im Coming from the aston/chester area. Later.
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Gregg I'm about 20 minutes east of you on I-80. If I'm off, I'll be there and will arrange something with you.
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sweet...jeffe!!!!!!!
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add jeffe and gbjr78 to the list!!!
this is great isn't it????
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awesome... hopefully you`re in then!!! gbjr78 : where is aston/chester? and does the route come near where I am on the way to birdsboro?
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no...he is on the other side of reading, i believe...dang he is closer than i am!!!
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ah well... i`m sure i`ll find it!! one way or another!
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Merge onto I-81 S. 17.21 miles
Take the PA-61 S exit- exit number 124A- towards ST CLAIR. 0.29 miles
Merge onto S LEHIGH AVE. 0.19 miles
S LEHIGH AVE becomes PA-61 S. 33.62 miles
Turn LEFT onto LAKE SHORE DR. 2.75 miles
Turn RIGHT onto US-222. 1.39 miles
Take the ramp towards SINKING SPRINGS. 0.32 miles
Merge onto US-222 S. 7.73 miles
Take the US-422 E/POTTSTOWN exit on the left. 0.29 miles
Merge onto US-422 E. 10.51 miles
Turn RIGHT onto S CENTER RD/PA-82. 0.87 miles
S CENTER RD/PA-82 becomes N FURNACE ST/PA-82. 0.06 miles
Follow to the end of the street...do not follow detour signs...when the street ends you are at the PARK!!!!!!!
dang gregg...you would think you just moved here from south africa or sumfin"
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chakan
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cool... thank you anne... i`ll write it all down and see you guys there!
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yeah wierd that!!
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i just need to throw in that Chester and Hazelton are complete different sides of Birdsboro...
And Anne...those directions are very round and about...i'd take 81 to 61 to 222/422 beltway then refer to mitch's post
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...god damned mapquest
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erm... okie i`ll see what happens.Sure i`ll find it
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Hey,
The 222/422 beltway is definately the way to go.Do not however go 176 to get to Birdsboro.Stay on 422 east until you get to 82 south,this is the road into Birdsboro,and the very one leading to the quarry.Take it accross the bridge into town,you will pass,as follows:Turkey Hill(gatorade&food),large foundry building(Birdsboro corp.)Town..Vinnies pizza on left,Dante's Depot,on right,Feed mill on left, baseball feild(little league), then the park will be on right(parking lot),bridge out sign(you're almost there),then a gate accross the road,follow the closed road,over two bridges,right at gravel road,up past old quarry building,left into TOP part of quarry.The LOWER part of the quarry isOUT OF BOUNDS and will result in arrest and confiscation of gear.
Hope to see you all there.
Climb Happy
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cool will print all that out lata
thanks Mitch, anne, randy for all the help!!
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anytime...dude
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and mitch it is more than two bridges...it's like four bridges...
but I will make sure i have the signs up for everyone to follow the way to the crags...
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awesome signs!!! I can`t get lost!!!
*famous last words.
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the signs will begin at the park...you still gotta get to the park first...park, then the signs...K???
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You can count me in... I'm a comin'
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UMMMMM Anne,
I have been down that road like 4,974,815,664,843,124 times,and I KNOW that AFTER passing the gate where the road closed begins,it is TWObridges.
I'll run down there tomorrow after I get out of Town Hall and recheck.
Any bets on this one Anne?I feel pretty confident of my memory,adled as my mind is.
Luvya
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you do that mitchal....count all the bridges...even the two that are real close together...there is one cement and three ummm...see through ones (grated??)
hehe...know how many times i turned around thinking i went too far mitch???
i know there is at least three but im guessing 4...yeah, you go do that tomorrow...
then you eat crow!!!!
and mitch i am counting the first bridge too....so i know it is at least 4!!!!
dude, there are two practically on top of each other then the one right before the barn....HA
uuuuummmmmm.....hope you like crow....
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*climbinganne looks at the time and thinks...should i start cooking the crow yet???
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rwaltermyer thinks to himself...does that nutty Anne have a couple loose screws? I hope that doesn't happen if you stay on RC.com.....
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coming from you that's a barrel of laughs randy!!!
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Hi All,
I was at the quarry today,having crossed TWO bridges,after the gate.Bridges being the strucure spanning the creek,having grating and side rails.This does not count the little pipes under the roadway.
No Matter.
Anyhow,to the REAL reason I am posting.
I was at Town Hall this afternoon talking with the local"powers to be" in regards to the rules and regulations pertaining to the use of the "old quarry".The lower section is the town water supply,and as such is OFF LIMITS ,anyone caught in there will be,arrested,fined,and,all gear will be confiscated,and NOT returned.The upper section is the area used for climbing,allowed as a courtesy by the township(not a town park).
There is no prohibition on organized gatherings(within reason) and beta on the area MAY be published,posted,passed among climbers and non-climbers.
I was informed that rowdy,raucous,and otherwise unsavory,or dangerous behavior will not be tolerated.No thermo-nuclear detonations are allowed either.
I have given my word that this will be a civil gathering and vouched for the conduct and character of those who will be attending,as well as for that of the general membership of the climbing community.They will be watching us when we are there and this will reflect on the access to the quarry,as well as their attitude in regards to future events there.It will also show what kind of folks are the "Climbing Community"
WE ARE ON!!!!!!
Climb Happy
Mitch
p.s. Drink Grease Anne (he he)
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Oh Yeah,
The first bridge is not, as I stated,after the gate,it does not count.TWO
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dude...there are four friggin bridges....we will be walking over 4 bridges...if one dont have water under it I DON'T CARE...
i may drink grease...hehe...by accident...but you are eating crow on purpose!!!
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so this isn`t gonna be a rowdy,raucous,and otherwise unsavory,or dangerous trip?? dang then I`m not coming...hehe j/k
Okie so i`ll look for bridges after the gate and carry on!!
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the best way to find the climbing area is to simply look for the old barn...before u get there you will go over a grate bridge and there will be a hard left on the abandoned road. Make a right here and follow the trail up around the far side of the barn and hug the trail along the hill. DO NOT GO TO THE BOTTOM OF THE HILL (this is the off limits area). Sorry if any of this was a repost. Oh, and you can count on me being there after my classes.
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Mitch:
Thanks for being our delegate to the town of Birdsboro.
For all of you who have not climbed here, please do not let the banter (I mean that kindly) between Anne and Mitch lead you to believe this is a tough place to find. It is however, a good walk from the parking area to the climb. Slightly less than a mile actually.
Are we going to meet somewhere Fri. night?
Chris
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climbinganne
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im still putting up signs...on four bridges!!! hahahahaha
ps......look forward to climbing with you tonite chris!!!!!!!
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Hi All!!
I'm new to the group and just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Michael and I live in Glen Rock, PA. I've been climbing on and off for about five years and have recently gotten back into the sport in a big way! I have most of my own gear and do mostly top-rope stuff right now. I led a couple easy routes a couple years ago but right now am trying to get my lazy butt back in shape! I rsvp'ed for the Birdsboro trip and am looking forward to meeting everyone! I climb mostly at Rock State Park and Woodstock Rocks in MD, but will be checking out Chickies in the near future. Nice to meet everyone and, I gotta say, this web page rocks! Oh yeah, I'm married with two weimaraners and twin daughters on the way in January!! Cya all later!
Michael
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chakan
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Welcome michael!
whatsa weimaraner?
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climbinganne
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awwwwwwwwww....noosphere...that was harsh but true!!!!
michael...we are going to be at chickies climbing today around 4ish...come join us!!!
gregg: they are dogs...
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oohh dogs ... okie dokie...
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clymberboy
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alright, count me in too! i've been watching this post for days now salivating at the chance to make the trip. now i can! yeah!
just tell me where to pitch my tent!
oh, what about dogs? i noticed one other person bringing theirs?
charlie & erica, would you two want to make driving arrangements together?
patrick
mmmm, i can taste that grease covered crow now! yummy!
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chakan
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COOL... now I can blame randy when I get lost.
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climbinganne
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no i told him to let it be already...he is driving me crazy
we gave you YOUR directions...everyone else lives here...they can find reading on a map then birdsboro...422 to South 82 (Furnace St.) DO NOT FOLLOW DETOUR SIGNS!!!! Go to the end of Furnace St. and park in Hay Creek Park; however, there are NO SIGNS that says it is 'Hay Creek Park', You'll know when you are there. Park and follow the arrows!!! See you at the rock!!
OK?????????????
randy has confused everyone enough!!!!!!
sorry about the bridge jokes...we will have everything clearly marked just get yer azzez to the park...and park.
GOSH!!
now for those that are still confused feel free to either PM me or mitch or nate ...thank you very much...
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don`t stress i`ll find my way...
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climbinganne
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i will make sure you have perfect directions to the park...and for anyone else who requests them...i bought a great new PA map...150 pages, every gosh darned road there is...hehe...i wont use mapquest ever again...
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I'm sure Randy just wants to make this a great time and has to make sure that everyone knows what's going on. Thanks to all of you and Randy for organizing this thing. It's not an easy job.
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clymberboy,
as for driving arrangements, I am pretty flexible. I may be bringing my best friend with me, but other than that I can drive and fit 2 more comfortably with gear. anywho, just let me know what ya think.
looks like its going to be one hell of a time.
climbinganne, I was thinking of inviting the paintball boys to join us hehe jk.
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chakan
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yeah big ups to all ya.... I think I have a map of PA somewhere around prolly a good thing to have (if not i`ll buy one) since I need to know where the library and all those places are.
damn wish I was climbing today.... ah well i`ll just finish building my wall then i`ll be climbing!!!
woohooo!
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bouncy pouncy fun fun fun
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mprediger
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I know it's early yet, but are most people planning to park their butts in the public campground? It would be cool if we were all in a similar area there....perhaps we should add that category to the front page, that is, where people think they'll be staying? Just a thought...I'm tired...I gotta lie down...
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hey...i climbed with chris1313 and his wife lynn (underclinga) this evening, we all got to run up a couple climbs...oh oh oh...i gotta add him to the rc.member thread mitch started...cause we were tied together!! hehe..it was fun but was too short of an evening...gosh seems like the days get shorter and shorter
randy: i got a sweet note from number7...whooooot...he is joining us!!!!!!
erica44...hahahahaha i get Mr. Rogers, i like his big gun!!!!!!
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Does anyone have Friday of the weekend open and want to climb that day?
Todd
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climbinganne
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prolly.....
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sorry I only get off work at 3:30... but i`ll be there later that day... so depends. But I doubt it.
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I just want to know if we are planning to get together somewhere on Fri night?
Anne ... had a great time climbing with you!
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climbinganne
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i could make a HUGE pot of chili!!!!
hehe...just ask punk how good my chili is!!
the dynos will be a breeze on saturday...
chris: ME TOO!!! thanks
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If everyone likes beer, there is a cool bar in Reading called the Tap Room. We could go there.
Just let me know what you guys are into and I will try to find a good place for us to go.
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Beeeer , Beer's good!!!!!!
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climbinganne
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just dont take us to that place that serves pubic hair on your pizza...K????
and i don't think mitch is allowed in the tap room anymore...hehe
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climbinganne
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BTW...has anybody noticed the other thread from the east coast...hmmmmmm...how come they didnt ask us to come along...too many ppl from PA????
think they read our 15 pg thread and said F them...???
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Hey Climberboy: I'll ride with ya. Hopefully I can climb as well. I can drive and have room for 3 maybe 4 (Toyota Echo). The van died at the end of summer (sniff, sniff). I'm looking for a new van(full size) so maybe I'll find one by then. My knee is on the mend. Been 3 months since I've climbed. I can ride(road only) my bike for 30 miles. Progress, slow progress. Charlie
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sweet...feel all that love the terrapins have for one another?????
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charlie, cool! erica offered to drive as well. we can hash out the details amongst ourselves.
do you ppl realize that we still have 7 weeks until we actually kick this thing off?!?!? and we already have 13 pages of posts!!!!!
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3532 views and 184 posts...just for "the record"
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not that anyone is counting
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Hey Anne,
I don't know what the F your comment was supposed to mean about the tap room,but,I go where I want to.
Thank you very much
Mitch
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yup mitch...
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oh no! Randy's back to mess up everything again! Keep him quiet....thanx for the idea, but someone needs to drop him!
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Just dug out my handy dandy hand warmer.I was out at the quarry today and was remembering how the rock is in Feb.If you have a warmer,bring it!The sun is on the rock during the day,making it warmer than the ambient air temp.Actually,it isn't really that bad.Have gloves along for the time between climbs.
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yeah...the morning for me will be spotted out what i wanna eventually climb....like at the Governor Stables Comp....if I survived that night with a make-shift tent (a tarp with a rope going from one volleyball net support to the other about 3 inches off my nose) I'm convinced that nothing can be that bad!
Did you actually need em yesterday though?
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That was you in that ghetto rigged tent at the comp. I drove 25 minutes home and slept on my bed that night.
Todd
edit:spelling (spelling is over rated)
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ahem....ghetto, pbj!!!
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YES....for the record, that was ME!!! You were there too Anne??? That comp was so awesome though.
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no randy...i live to follow todd around and correct his spelling mistakes
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Ahhhhh
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.....feel all that love the terrapins have for one another......
Hey Anne Ain't love, we're just cheap! Charlie
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Anne are you saying that my spelling is not up to par? If anyone wants to climb all day friday can you PM because I get confused. Todd
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u r confused....i just wish you were a girl...you would prolly make up your mind betta!!!!
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SO mean!!!
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mitch...i thought as long as it wasn't aimed at you...you didn't care.
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i just got back from a days worth of climbing at birdsboro...oh, it was awesome. That Big Wall is freakin amazing! How come there is no beta listed on that wall. I can't wait to watch some of you tackle that beast. Is that were the 13 was put up? And Orange Sunshine was a great climb! I can't wait for the gathering!
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nice randy...and dude, how many bridges did you walk over to get to the barn???
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oh i'm not getting into THAT discussion!!! However, I didn't realize that some of the directions Mitch gave were walking as well....so I was a bit confused, but once I found the rock in all made sense. And it really easy to find, so don't worry everyone!
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ill bring entertainment!!!! oh itll be fun. i ride unicycles... anyone want to try they can, but have fun! he he he offroad unicycling (yes it is possible)
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well i can't wait!!!!
can you juggle too???
damn the kiddies and hehe adults...are gonna love this!!!
BTW....ANYONE WANT TO BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE FOOD SITUATION yet?????
looks like crap has volunteered to come from vegas and give us a show!!!!
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if I can make my poi and get some parrifin then I can do some fire twirling
But i`m really looking forward to this!!! weeee!!! can`t wait!! why can`t it be the end of october???
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I'll bring the fire extinguisher and first aid kit.
Ahh, yes, food!
What shall we eat?!
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BBQ food!
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please look at the food thread...and ignore the bullcrap...it is linked throught the trip on the front page...
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sowwy didn`t see the food thread.. posted there now
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hahahahaha......no that was in response to me asking ppl about food...not you babe!!!
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ooohhh... well erm okie dokie.
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what can i expect from the big wall (ballpark ratings?) It looks in tense.
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gregg are you starting to use pa. terms....okie dokie...
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Nothing less than a 10 on the big wall!
I have been on three of the routes there,two spanked me bad, the newest one I made,barely.
I'm doing the best I can on getting the beta on the big wall.
No twirling fire at my house please!I would like to give the uni a try though.I saw some guy doing offroad uni in "New World Disorder" video,kewl as shhhhhttt!
One more thing....
There ARE 4 bridges to get to the quarry,Anne is right again,Me stoopid!!
Climb Happy
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okie no fire twirling...
always used okie dokie.. guess i`m just PA through and through!!
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OMG...im right, im right, im right, im right!!
I'll get off the table now mitch...and start cooking up the crow...hehe...hehe :b
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Been away for a little while and not reading the forums enough, I totally missed this!
I want to come along if there is still space (are there even space considerations?). If I can get one or two friends to come along we could probably camp somewhere (was there French State Park you mentioned? what is that like?). Sounds like a great place to go! Will be coming from Pittsburgh if anyone from that area needs a ride.
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sweet...no need to pay to camp...there is plenty of room...glad to have you!!!
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does that mean no fires at all??? and for anne, sorry but i cant juggle... though my friend who got me into it can ride and juggle knives so....
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So anne and mitch, how many people do you have for sure going to bidsboro?? i'll make sure i get andy's case to go with you guys, cause ya'll ROCK!
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ahhh parents bein annoying... so i might not be sleeping over, no unicycle for night then and i might, might only be there for one day, and im not coming on friday. But im still goin
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pup...you should be studying and playing with really good looking boys in the water...not checking up on our downhome-climbing gig...study boy...and get your ass out to Yo so we can visit!!!!
chris if it will help i am sure mitch, i or nate will talk to your dad...
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I noticed a lot of you talking about fires. As of now there is a ban oon all fires in the Reading PA area, So don't get to excited about that common campfire.
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chakan
Sep 25, 2002, 7:49 PM
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pass me a beer and throw another steak in the oven... just doesn`t sound right
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iridesantacruz
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ok... im scared of whats gonna happen if i sleep around you guys..(not me, but my dad might be like lets go..) so im gonna play it safe. i know everyone isnt that bad, just playin it safe. So anyone know any hotels near by or anything?... inns?
chris
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climbinganne
Sep 25, 2002, 10:51 PM
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hey chris...we will send you a list
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mitchal
Sep 26, 2002, 12:03 AM
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There are a few hotels,and,motels very close by,Depending on your budget.
See you in Nov!
Climb Happy
Mitch
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mitchal
Sep 26, 2002, 8:40 PM
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On the subject of fires,as of now,there is an open burning ban in Berks County.Most other Pa. counties are the same status.With more rain,this will be lifted.Hopefully it will come soon.I am a member of the local fire co. and will ask as to what the status is.I will keep you all informed.
Just don't pray for rain on that weekend!
Climb Happy
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rwaltermyer
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...or for it to be classic november weather at all: COLD!
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iridesantacruz
Sep 27, 2002, 7:41 PM
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cold weather camping.... everyone bring something to stay OFF the ground, preferably not with air.
chris
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climbinganne
Sep 29, 2002, 12:13 AM
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well folks we decided to have a pre-gathering today...chakan, mmindtrap, his lovely new bride belaybeotch, andrew, ashley and I had a wonderful day ay Chickies Rock!!!
- fun was had by all!!!!
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Sep 29, 2002, 12:59 AM
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Hey Anne, How was Chickies today? I was thinking of heading out there today, but with the last 2 days of rain I thought it would be fairly wet and not worth the 90 minute drive. Maybe next time I just shouldn't think
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climbinganne
Sep 29, 2002, 1:10 AM
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hey...you should have dj, we first toped two ropes on the main wall...we hit a couple wet spots going up the middle, hehe...but it made it that much more interesting...after 1 o'clock we headed over to solution area and hung more 3 ropes and the rock was as dry as chickies ever feels..it was perfect!!!
we had a perfect climbimg weather, cool light breezy day along the river...a lot of yellow jackets thanks to my daughter and her peanut butter and jelly fest...
hey we are climbing tomorrow in that vicinity...wanna join us????
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Sep 29, 2002, 1:49 AM
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I'd say I definately need to stop thinking. Sounds like overall you had a great day. I can't make tomorrow, I already have plans I can't break. But I PROMISE! one of these days we will get together.
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Sep 29, 2002, 3:53 AM
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Oh,hmmmmmmm,I see, ,sniff,
Thanks for the invite Anne.
I understand (mitch shuffles away ,hurt)
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climbinganne
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237 posts / 5000 views
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rwaltermyer
Oct 1, 2002, 3:27 AM
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isn't it awesome? Anything we have yet to resolve?
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rwaltermyer
Oct 1, 2002, 11:18 AM
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hey everyone, WE MADE THE TOP TEN! #10 under most replies!!! WOOO-HOOOOO!!!!
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betaben
Oct 1, 2002, 12:35 PM
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Very cool, WOOHOO!
Just thought I'd add that. Can't wait till Nov.
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climbinganne
Oct 1, 2002, 7:51 PM
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hahahah....Mr. Rogers and his big gun!!!!
[ This Message was edited by: climbinganne on 2002-10-01 12:52 ]
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Oct 1, 2002, 10:29 PM
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I should be able to make this Gig, as my job in NY should end in late Oct.
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climbinganne
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nice adam...we are going to need your expert roofing skills!!!!!!!!!
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rwaltermyer
Oct 2, 2002, 2:51 AM
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i can't wait to meet the faces behind these mysterious rc.com legends! hahahaha.
actually I'm so excited!!!
just keep praying for warm sleeping and Climbing weather!!!!
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climbinganne
Oct 2, 2002, 2:22 PM
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well, it is officially less than a month now...
LET THE REJOICING BEGIN!!!!!
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REJOICE,REJOICE, REJOICE,REJOICE,REJOICE,REJOICE
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rwaltermyer
Oct 3, 2002, 3:14 AM
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oh man....
do we have anything else to discuss?
Meeting place for friday dinner
Directions to Mitch and Nate's place
Saturday dinner
OTHERS??
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climbinganne
Oct 3, 2002, 3:26 AM
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welp...i am off to city of rocks, idaho
see you all when i return!!
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iridesantacruz
Oct 3, 2002, 10:33 PM
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what about meeting place for people coming in on saturday
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mitchal
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Hi All,
Why not discuss all those subjects,and one more.Where in the hell are all the campers at my place gonna park?My driveway is short and narrow,and I have a neighbor that uses it as well,so it can't be blocked.
Friday night meeting spot could be the local tavern,I don't drink,but I would hangout and wait for those to show on Fri,if I knew who to look for.
Dinner at the local diner.
Directions to my place are available by personal request.
Oh, and fires are looking likely,it's raining here again,and all weekend,off and on.
More to come....
Climb Happy
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Oct 4, 2002, 3:01 PM
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alrighty...well the discussion of a place to eat is also being discussed in the FOOD thread so perhaps we should discuss that there.
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Oct 4, 2002, 3:02 PM
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but I do like the idea of everyone meeting at the place we're going to EAT, then everyone has disperse to our camping sites.
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rwaltermyer
Oct 4, 2002, 3:08 PM
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From the food thread:
Is there a big chain restaurant which everyone can obviously find right off of 422 somewhere with plenty of parking? That to me would be the ideal meeting AND eating place.
PLEASE REPLY TO THIS IN THE FOOD THREAD in regards to finding a place to eat.
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rwaltermyer
Oct 4, 2002, 3:12 PM
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As for Saturday. It seems to make the most sense to meet in the Hay Creek Parking lot. Anne says she'll have it well marked back to the rock. (it's easy to find and but nessary to mark, some is off limits.) If you get there around 9ish (we haven't determined a concrete starting time yet!) I'm sure there will be lots of others getting unpacked and ready to hike in.
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climbinganne
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ALRIGHTY....now that my trip to city is over i can focus on this gathering!!!!
and to delight all of you i have already contacted jim beam and dekyper..they will be supplying everyone with goodies!!!
so remember...the only bourbon you bring must be JIM!!!!
i am really happy with the stuff they are providing us...a lucky winner will go home with a really sweet gift!!!
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Oct 8, 2002, 3:34 PM
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great to hear about your trip (read your thread) and that you're safe and sound back in PA, Anne!
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climbinganne
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awwwww.....thanks randy...i really did have an awesome time!!!
those ppl were the best!!!
and i did a lot of birdsboro bragging...enough so that this chick that nailzz brought along that is in the daks for the winter...is hooking up with us too!!!
her name is karen and she is a sweetheart!!!
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Hey guys! Just wanted to let you all know that I'll be joining in the fun here! I'll be coming down early Sat. afternoon so I can be there for Saturday night and Sunday....can't wait!!!
pAwS
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sweet!!!!
i was just hanging with a dude last night from glen rock!!!!
ummm his name is...shoot!!! i lost his business card...oh well...never mind!!
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Oct 8, 2002, 8:02 PM
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Anne!! That was me!! Am I really that forgettable??!!! j/k
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i think i am definatly gonna like you!!!!!
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iridesantacruz
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.... once annie went to idaho, the form stopped...
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rwaltermyer
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Well...now that the conversation is on Anne, has anyone looks at the top PA users? SHE'S DETHRONED KAGUNKIE!!!!!!!!!!!! Crown her the Queen of PA!!!!!
Congrats Anne! Thanx for all your hard work. (This on the heals of my last post, people are gonna start saying "Ok, Randy, you can get out of Anne's butt now!"
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hahahahahahaha!!!!!
did i really?????
got to go look now....
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how the hell did that happen????
sorry kieth...hahahahahahahah
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Hey I have idea, lets all go fishing instead of climbing!!!!!!!!!
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anne: have you looked at our post count lately??!!! Glad to have a LEVITATOR leading PA!!!! Hahaha
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you know, i'm not sure what i'm going to do on Rc.com after the gathering is over. I may go into depression. Uh..I can't get sappy yet, we got a gathering to cherish first! Its gonna be awesome!
anne, on your note, ya think we can get some other sponsors/goodies???!!!! wildware?
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damn randy...nothing is ever enough for you huh...hahahahahahaha
dude you want something from wildware or rei go bug them...you are really good at it...you really are!!!!
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i was just throwing the possibility out there. But i'll see what they say! especially wildware, cuz they're a PA based store and what the heck is our gathering--PA BASED! But we love the out-of-staters!
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meeting time for saturday? keep in mind, it'll be november so it could be 10 or 11 before anyone wants to jump on a route!
do we need one?????
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I am planning to come on Friday and Saturday...headed to the dominican republic on sunday. (alas, very little climbing in DR, believe me I checked into it). Can't wait to meet y'all (that's my Texas side talkin')
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a meeting time would be helpful on sat. cuase quite a few people are coming in on sat, just so no one gets loss
chris
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Oct 10, 2002, 2:48 AM
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ONE MORE TIME.................
THERE WILL BE SIGNS!!!!!!!!
NO ONE WILL GET LOST.........
RANDY IF YOU WANNA VOLUNTEER TO HANG IN THE PARKING LOT TO POINT AT THE SIGNS THAT WILL LEAD THE PPL TO THE CRAGS...GO FOR IT!!!!!
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rwaltermyer
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wowowowooaa
I was just wondering if we were gonna discuss a time for everyone to show up. I wasn't sure if we're planning to get an early start at 8:30 or take our time and shoot for 10:30-11ish... especially for the out-of-towners, i wouldn't want to get there at 8:30 and not see a sole for 2 hrs.
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are there going to be signs...
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Oct 10, 2002, 12:27 PM
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Anne is right. If there are signs, then people can get themselves to the crags. If we start throwing meeting times out for Sat., we will have a flurry of responses from everyone who feels that the time is too early and those who feel it is too late. There are some things we can do as a group of many, many people and some things we will have to do as pockets of people. Many people are coming in at different times anyway.
We still need to figure out where we are meeting Friday night. Obviously somewhere where we can drink and somewhere those <21 can be as well. Have we hammered that down?
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yeah, babe....DANTE'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
i have yet to get public hair in my food there....
I will go and talk to the owners and see about maybe getting the back room to ourselves...hahahahaha...after the gathering in Utah...I know how these rc.commers are...WE WILL ROCK THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!
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well stated and thought out chris1313 nice to hear from someone else....i know my logic is far from perfect, and its nice to get another opinion in the action. sounds good! i can't wait!!!! actually, i'm thinking about going this coming tuesday. I gotta get down the moves on Orange Sunshine, so i can work up the balls to lead it!
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has anyone else found that besides the gathering, that the PA page is DEAD?
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peanut bar on Penn ave. nice little place... you get to throw the shells on the floor...
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281 posts.... 5860 views
*edited for spelling.. thanks anne
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randy...i just noticed on the front page...YOU HAVE A TWIN??
can hardly wait to meet you both!!!
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and chris...you mean views...not reviews
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page 20!....
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hahahahahaa...yup...!!!!!!!
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This might be the longest thread about nothing I have ever been part of....
Hahahaha
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nah....i think the shooting the bull post takes the cake!!!
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Ok, I'm back.
Sorry I've been gone so long. I have an update for anyone wishing to stay at my place, my sister-in-law is moving into my house this week, so I am now only able to provide a foam mattress and floor space to anyone who wishes to use it. First come first serve, and anne is already at the top of the list.
As for food, Old country buffet is the best choice, for price and avalability that is, although there is no no acohol served there, but everyone is sure to get what they want. And you pay before you eat, I personally like this feature, because I hate fighting over who owes what when the bill arives at the table.
Well, whaterev you people decide, I will just go with the flow.
Ok, that is all I have to add for now.
Later days
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you know what...that might not be a bad idea...in the state of pa if a restaurant doesn't have a liquor license...then you are allowed to bring in your own beverages...i would be happy to donate the wine to go with the dinner...and hey...i will even bring the wine glasses too...whatever anyone agrees is fine with me too...hehehe...we are never going to get this shitz straight...
10 MORE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i am now forming a commitee...
mitch nate me randy and chris (1313)...i am making a list and splitting up the remaining duties...you all will be hearing from me...K???
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pbj..is official weatherman. BTW...his duty is to keep us up to date on the beautiful weather for our weekend...if it isn't nice weather...we beat him to a pulp...
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i have just been informed via PM...that i cannot count...hahahahaha..this is true...whew...the countdown is 17 days...sorry if anyone started to pack their bags...
so 17 days....wOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOt!!!!
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Sounds good ... let me know what my duties are!
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reporting for duty!
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rwaltermyer
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on the subject of weather:
I have an email into Eric Horst (who for those of you who don't know, is also a meteorologist at Millesville U.) I also sent out a invite to him. Maybe he can show us all how to climb that wicked .13 he set on the big wall.
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rwaltermyer
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eric said that from the long term view (still 17 days away) the turbulent weather pattern leaves us with nothing more than a big ?? (question) mark. However, he did say (for all you weather guys out there, myself included.) that there will be a nasty trough in the jet stream for the next 2 weeks which will give us below normal temps...hopefully that will be up and out of here by our weekend!!!
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rwaltermyer
Oct 15, 2002, 6:25 PM
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how about we move old country buffet vs. dante's depot debate to the food thread? i have a reply there on that topic.
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dudes...we must do something about randy talking to himself!!!
i wonder if he can climb and belay at the same time too??
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rwaltermyer
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just wanted to be the 300th postER
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you people say its gonna get really cold.... so then you dont want it to warm up again, cuase that means rain. So if it does decide to warm up it better happen before the 1-3!!!!!!! If not who are we beating up anne?
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Randy,
Check your PM's
This is important.
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The Old Country Buffet does not allow alchol, so we have to get drunk before hand.
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rwaltermyer
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how about afterward
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how about Dante's...
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After is just as good.
I don't know a thing about dante's.
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rwaltermyer
Oct 17, 2002, 4:19 PM
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well thats why i think the tide is shifting towards dante's...plus its REAL close to the quarry, in case we need to set up anything Friday night.
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Sounds fine by me.
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rwaltermyer
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Do i hear a second for Dante's? third? lets finalize this, we have other things to deal with!!
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second...
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...third.
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climbinganne
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nice!!!!!
so dante's depot it is!!!!!
and...
I GOT A BABYSITTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
so nate thanks for the help...i appreciate it but it is no longer needed at this time...hehe...let's keep our fingers crossed!!!
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i wanna go but i cant dammit...SHIT s--- SHIT!
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rwaltermyer
Oct 18, 2002, 1:49 PM
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thats what i like to see: things getting done, EFFICIENTLY.
Anyone have our next item of business??
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holy smokes, in case anyone hasn't checked their calendar's lately, TODAY is officially the two-week mark until the GATHERING!!!! WOOOHOOOAHHH!!!
[edited] and holy smokes we're on page 22!
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on the topic of weather...the weather channel has 50 and low 60s for the next 10 days. Assuming it stays that way (and dry) we should be all set!
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rwaltermyer
Oct 19, 2002, 10:20 PM
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NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA?
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pusherem
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I CAN MAKE IT ON SUNDAY! WOO HOO!!! but yeah i still need directions from 724 or 422. randy or mitch can you help me out? thanks
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Hi,
Eric,I will send those out to you.Ah,it's easy.422 w to 82 s into Birdsboro.Follow that road till it ends in a "bridge out " sign.That is the closed off road that leads into the quarry.
Next issue.....
Parking for those camping at my place.
Many will have to park somewhere else and carpool here.I live on a tiny road,with a tinier driveway.We'll work on this.
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Not counting the shooting the bull posts, but counting food and camping we have 9407 views and 471 replies. Only 11 days if your going to be there on friday. See all of you soon. Ye haw,can't wait.
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Excellent ERIC....forget the other thread...hehe...so your dad let you outta work huh!!!!!
awesome dad there...look forward to seeing you local boy!!!!
are you gonna meet up with us on saturday night and camp/eat too???
or friday night at the restaurant???? huh, huh, huh???
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im gonan try to make it saturday night but if i dont ill definatley be there sunday
...what time you guys gonna be there till?
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on sat night????
the rule is out by dusk...so if it is dark...don't come to the rock!!!
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no on sunday
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well...ppl will be going when they are up...hehe...and staying prolly til dark...i guess it all depends on where ppl are driving to on sunday night!!
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yeah,
i'm sure that the out-of-towners will be out in the late afternoon...
but the die-hards'll be there for ya!!!
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this is gonna kick ass
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rwaltermyer
Oct 21, 2002, 9:47 PM
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its funny how everyone came and said "COUNT ME IN!" and then vanished from the ongoing discussion. Of course, if they all would be as concerned as me, we would have drove everyone crazy a long time ago, but they're so many count-me-in-yet-haven't-said-a-word-since people!!!
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Ummmm,
Count me in!
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Ok, Count Me in!!
It's almost here wooohooo!!!!
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what was this again? something about a gathering?? sounds pretty cool, ya think we could have it at birdsboro? any interest..........
oh i have to stop and ask is there anything we NEED to be discussing?
Food other than Anne's critically acclaimed chili for Saturday night?? Buy it there? Bring something?
OTHERS?
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i am IN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BTW...please ignore the dawg...ahem, with fleas....he will not be staying anywhere near me!!!!
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Hey,
What's a birdsboro and how do you climb one!!
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UP!!!!!!
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Thanks for the Beta! "Betaanne"
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You can count me in. I just though thtat I would say that even though I have allready said it like 6 times. I still hope it is cold. If it gets to cold I might sneak over to a relatives house 7 minutes away and sleep in the heated basement with warm water. But too cold is like super cold.
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NEWSFLASH: KEEP CLIMBINGANNE AWAY FROM RONDIJ AT BIRDSBORO, SHE HAS A HABIT OF CURSING AT HIM WHEN HE CLIMBS...
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i'm still in! what about my other comrades from maryland . . . ?
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Hmmmmmmm......we never added you to the front page...will do brother!!!
and charlie is still in and erica she is bring a dude named jason...and i think danwilli is in too!!!!!
so looks like maryland is gonna have a nice showing!!!
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Yes, in response to climbinganne's post about her cursing problem, she meets rondij for the first time and on his second climb proceeds to tell him what to do with his foot!!! She can not climb with him at B-boro. Or he may stick his foot up her !#*?&*!
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techincally..it was his 5th or 6th attempt...and i just wanted him to "stand the *^#@ up" so he could reach the hand...that's all
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hey, we got so many stinkin threads now, that they're dissappearing on us!!! i'm gonna put links to all of them on the first post of this thread in case you're looking for one of them that is buried!!!!
also...is anyone missing from the list of attendees of the FP???
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i'm not on the guest list
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i already wrote him and told him...but we all are looking forward to meeting you!!!
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taken care of
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Hey, me and a friend should be coming down late saturday afternoon. How are things looking for places to camp?
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Don't Go! Don't do it!
This event jeopardizes access to Birdsboro climbing. First of all, when access was negotiated with the town of Birdsboro, they were very concerned about the amount of climber traffic. Climbers were counted over the course of several weekends to allay their fears. On a weekend day it is rare to see more than a few climbers at the cliffs. Second, I believe that part of the access agreement stated that the area could not be written about, or advertised to other climbers. This event and the information about Birdsboro on this site surely violate that agreement and the trust climbers have enjoyed with the town of Birdsboro. And don't think getting waivers will save the area. If ya'll showed up at town hall en-masse to get waivers they would be very alarmed. I have been climbing at b-boro for over 5 years and no one has ever asked me for my waiver. Low profile is best.
It is just not cool for climbers to do something that jeopardizes access for all. Please boycott this as an event and save one of Pennsylvanias few climbing areas. Removing Birdsboro route descriptions from the website would also help. If you want to check out B-boro individually, you are welcome, and would likely find B-boro veterens happy to point out the routes and their ratings.
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see that is how much you know....or DON'T KNOW...they stopped waivers long ago...and there is NO LONGER an agrreement about non publishing of route info, directions etc...you think we didnt check all of this out???
nancy..this was wrong of you...if you really think this is going to hurt anything you should have talked to us in private, you want to sabotage this gathering...good luck...these members are fine ppl...more than i can say for you...we will have a nice talk next time i see you.
FYI, nancy..you do not have any more right to those rocks than anyone on this site...and the MAIN difference between us and you is the fact that we learned to share in kindergarden...
girl you are welcome to join this happy event...but show up with a smile on your face and act nice...or these fine ppl will know your true intentions...to keep this crag to your greedy little self.
I re-read your post...the key word you use is "BELIEVE" next time get your facts straight...many of us have worked long and hard on this gathering and "KNOW" the facts.
and it seems to me by your post that when waivers were needed to climb, you my dear did not follow the set rules...that shows a lot about your character...so don't come on here and guilt trip any of these ppl...you have shown absolutely no character...you can't even give your name on your profile...shows how much we should trust your word...
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Birdsboro is NOT open to the PUBLIC. Access to this area is SENSITIVE. A huge gathering can shut the place down for good. The place isn't that big. It only has 2 dozen routes. Top-Roping is discouraged. (unless someone rope-guns it to the anchors).
Don't ruin it for everybody.
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everybody?????
no looks like you and your friend (or you and yourself) are trying to keep it from everybody...thats all i see going on here...
why did you sign up onto this site anonymously????
we did our homework...that's all i have to say...
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replying to Anne's rant:
you should read my message more carefully. For one, I didn't say anyone isn't welcome to enjoy the rocks. Just don't show up en masse with a big group. Also, I never said I didn't have a waiver (I do). Just don't overwhelm the town with large numbers of people asking for waivers. And who did you check out access issues with? Sounds to me like you would ruin access for everyone just as long as you can have your little party.
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well maybe you and your friend should get on the same PAGE...
YOUR POSTS CONTRADICT EACH OTHER...
and the "real" members of this site CAN READ...and they will be able to distinguish between fact and bullshit...
had you brought this to one of us in private and shown respect...i would have been happy to tell you anything...but since you decided to cause trouble...i owe you an explaination of NOTHING!!!
Local climbers...regulars of B-boro, ppl that live there and climb there are going to enjoy a weekend with their guests...we are not like you...so saying this, we hope you join us as well.
once again...in case you missed it the first and second time...
WE DID OUR HOMEWORK...WE WENT TO TOWN HALL
you are the only one making this gathering uncool....shame on you!!!!
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Njo : maybe you should be the one reading more carefully...
Annes post states that they have not done the waiver thing for a long time.. yet you still feel that we are gonna arrive en masse and ask for waivers.
What I suggest you do in read the thread and you will see that the access issues have already been discussed and dealt with.
so spend some time doing your homework before you accuse us of not doing ours.
ca cera cera
*EDIT: njo to save you some time I looked back through the thread access issues are dealt on page 8 and 10 of the thread! read and if you have any other questions then you can ask
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Randy this has been discussed and reseached and the matter is closed as far as I am concerned.
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Mitch....i just took another look at this picture...that is how i z-clipped...i can see it as plain as day how i did it, looking at this picture of eric at the same bolts...
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I just love it when these discussions get heated. Anne, you are so cute when you get mad.
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I was told to say the weather on this thread. I am not a weather man so dint beat me to a bloody pulp when what I say is wrong. I am only passing on information that "highley sklled profesionals" have gathered.
Friday: Partley Cloudy 51/37
Saterday:Partley Cloudy 57/28
Moon:Oct. 29th is last quarter
Nov. 4th is new
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mmindtrap...yup...i get a certain glow, don't i...
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whew....low of 28!!! that'll make for some chilly sleeping!!!! sounds good!!!
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ugh its like snowing/sleeting here right now..
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gregg: it hit here earlier..hehe...i went through a stop sign...
randy: yeah...but just think...everyone will be up early!!
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weeee snow!! weee
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darnit....no snow in west chester....but i sure hope this means a promising ski season. of course, after the gathering!!!!!
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i agree with randy, im a big snowboarder as well as climber, and i hope the season is really good for snow
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Bring on the ice!!!!!!!!!!
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hahahahahaha.... SNOW....SNOW....pretend it's POWDER...
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Oct 25, 2002, 10:26 PM
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1 WEEK to go and counting!!!
Snow I love snow!!! just don't eat the yellow stuff!!
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yeah im throwin som ehand warmers in my chalk bag. i dont feel like gettin all numb and cut up...peace, see you there
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alright...back to thoughts of WARM, PLEASANT FALL WEATHER!!!!!
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I feel like posting the weather again. The weather about 5 miles past the Somerset Exit on the tun pike is rain and fog. I think I should pay more attention to driving, but here is the weather.
Friday: mostly cloudy 51/36
Saterday: partly clousy 55/36
sunday: mostly cloudy 56/37
sorry about the spelling, I am driving and am not fixing spelling
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keep up the good work todd!!!!
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it looks at though the weather for the gathering should be pleasant. Somehow, everything (the hurricane in TX, alberta clippers, lake effect moisture, etc.) all look like they're calming down after wednesday and we'll have a nice, cool (low 50s) weekend! Sounds great!!!
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1 week.....
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I feel like posting the weather again. It has not changed very much other then getting colder
Friday: Partly Cloudy 44/32 10% rain
Saterday: Partly Cloudy 49/36 0% rain
Sunday: Partley Cloudy 54/35 0% rain
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doing a great job there todd
*hint...satUrday
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Spelling means nothing when it comes to climbing. Spelling only means something when you get 5% of a fill in the blank test because of your spelling and handwriting. It also means something when a girl asks you for your number then cant read it so you could not hang out Thursday. Other then that spelling is over rated and you need to read the disclaimer in my profile.
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what the hell did you edit twice for then??
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betaben
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At least he can spell peanutbutterandjelly!!
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The first time I edited because I forgot to put the weather up at all, just the top part. The second time I edited because i had no weather for sunday up.
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Hay Todd,
Eye wood jist tehl Anne that she am't know teecher and ewe spehl jist find.
That'l sho hir!
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When is this event happening now? I havent been paying much attention lately. This thread is sooo looong I dont really have time to read the whole thing though Id like to. Maby I can come along if I have the time when its going on.
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chakan
Oct 27, 2002, 4:51 PM
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ugh kagunkie read the title of the thread
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ahhhhh, mitch...darling that is what i went to PSU for..and i taught lousy kids for 7 years before i gave it up for alcohol sales... sorry!!!!
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Why would you fine people pick Birdsboro (in November) to have your gathering? From what I've read, you're planning to set siege on this, to this point, discreet climbing area with a battalion of novice climbers. Why B'boro? There are maybe 25 routes here, and most are 5.10 and up. Why not go to the Red, the New or the Gunks? Access issues are not as sensitive, lodging,dining and partying are more accessible and there are tons of routes of all grades. The organizers of this event, if familiar with the brief history of the area, are acting irresponsibly. This event may be the kick-ass party of the year for you but the repercussions will be felt by those of us who follow the established ethic. Before you start attacking my character because I disagree with what you're doing, you should know that I was involved in the initial meetings with the borough. This is exactly what they were afraid of and this is why we came up with the waivers, to keep tab of how many climbers are using this area, which is on the site of the borough water supply. So, have fun, be selfish but be safe.
One final comment; the rock at Birdsboro is not granite, it's a granitic diabase.
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Mitch, that was great. I wish i could spell that well.
Ahhh, looking forward to a 4 day work week, then heading to the gathering!!
Think i might head to the store and get some of those nifty handwarmers though.
Patiently waiting till Friday
Ben
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Uh oh kids! Has anyone told the locals we'll be showing up yet? I could see this thing turning into a big revenue scam for Birdsboro
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Hi All,
Denny,for the record:
I have two members of the original group involved in this(albeit,against),as well as,the"PAC"," Access Fund",and,Town hall in Birdsboro.
The people coming to this event neither are coming to a "KICK ASS PARTY" or a seige of the quarry.We are just a bunch of ethical,safety minded,climbers,coming together in the hopes of meeting and climbing with other members of this site.
I have been to town hall on two occasions and am going there yet againg to outline and gain "WRITTEN" permission.
The VERY LAST thing I want to do is to harm relations between climbers there and town hall,hence all the work and communication going on.Access to the quarry is in my best PERSONAL interest,as it is my "home" crag.
If you have such concern over what goes on there,tell me one thing,
Why have I,in the years I've climbed there,never found a contact name,or number,to raise questions on something like this?The very lack of this info is the root of all the dissention going on over the gathering.
I have asked Ted and Jeff about this,what is your answer?
Oh, your character will not be questioned,or berated,I'm sure you are above reproach,and that your concerns are well intentioned.Everyone applauds that.
I personally invite you there and hope you came and climb and see what we are all about.
I will also keep you informed on a new "committee" being formed and ask your help in the matter.
Hope to see you there.
Climb Happy
Mitch
P.S. I will correct the rock type,thanks for the beta.
Editted to reflect possitions against gathering, by former committee members.
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i'm not an expert geologist, but Gov. Dick and Governor Stables, (and St. Peters, and Haycock, and lots of Rock at French Creek) are Diabase, and that rock doesn't resemble Birdsboro at all.
But I believe that could be triassic diabase versus granitic diabase, i guess that makes all the difference?!
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...its comin up......
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Hi, I'm Bobbie
I am one of the members of the first mission to "The Bird". Many a battle had to be fought, both physically and legally, to establish this as a legit climbing site. This is a sensitive area and the #1 rule has always been discretion. Being discreet assures us of access. We all know what happened at Safe Harbor due to commercialization of the area. It is a fact that the more popular a place becomes, the more shutdowns occur. We have few such legal places to play these days, we want all to enjoy in a quiet manner. We have already lost the "Sunny Side" to the renewal of quarrying. Lets take care of what we have left. As for toproping off of anything other than set anchors, you're at your own risk! As for dissin' my friends, ClimbingAnne, get to know them before you accuse them of being selfish and greedy.
With respect, B
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i have always felt assured that the organizers had planned our gathering responsibly. but nevertheless, some concerns have been raised.
i still plan to attend, but i would just like to hear one final verdict . . . are relations between the climbing community & authorities amicable and do both parties have a complete understanding of the gathering. is the crag large enough for the number of climbers planning to go?
i'm looking forward to the gathering, but don't want my actions to have any ill effects. perhaps obtaining a final head count of those still intending to attend will help. the number of ppl that expressed an interest in the early planning stages has since dwindled.
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Well, I gotta throw in my two cents about access. After climbing at birdsboro a number of years, I know the area’s history and realize how sensitive access to this area is. I appreciate mitchal’s efforts in contacting town hall. His past post is worth repeating:
… in regards to the rules and regulations pertaining to the use of the "old quarry". The lower section is the town water supply ,and as such is OFF LIMITS,anyone caught in there will be arrested, fined, and, all gear will be confiscated, and NOT returned. The upper section is the area used for climbing, allowed as a courtesy by the township (not a town park). There is no prohibition on organized gatherings(within reason) and beta on the area MAY be published, posted, passed among climbers and non-climbers. I was informed that rowdy ,raucous, and otherwise unsavory, or dangerous behavior will not be tolerated....
Please note that the area is *not* a park, climbing is allowed as a *courtesy*, and gatherings should be *“within reason”*. So come only if you must, and watch out for each other.
A final word- newbies will not find the bird a good place to climb. Of the 25 or so bolted routes, there is only one 5.6 and 5.7, and these are very short slab routes. Other than two 5.8’s, most everything else is .10 and above. The climbing is hard because of the nature of the quarried rock, so setting top ropes between the bolts won’t make it much easier. Don’t make a long drive to wait for two short climbs.
BTW, I also found some of climbingannes responses to be very rude. I think an apology is in order. Climb safe, -Pat Bost
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The weather is looking better, well better is you like cold and rain.
Friday: Partly Cloudy 46/27 rain 20%
Saturday: Showers 42/28 rain 30%
Sunday: Rain/Snow Showers/Wind 43/31 rain 30%
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ooohh sucky!!
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this gathering looks like its starting to go down but anyway.... anne, are you going to mark the streets and the trail for the gathering, or just the trails?
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Somethings have come to my attention tonight that i was unaware of. I was given half information on what was going on between the township, access fund and the locals feelings'. i think i may have most of the information tonite. However i feel responsible for this, being one of the organizers and not knowing all of the information, and i apologize to everyone. Mitch did not get the permission slip to be able to hold the gathering and this slip, though probably not needed, would ensure peace between the locals and the access fund. I do not feel comfotable attending what is now being called a "non rc.com event". I am sorry and i am not saying anyone else should not attend, what i have been told by my co-organizers is this is NOT an rc.com event. Please leave this site out of the equation...damn, i hate that fact that this happened four days before this event was supposed to take place...had i had the right information prior to this, other plans could have been arranged...again my sincerest apologies.
well folks, i just got off the phone with oozingpustule and he has graciously invited all of us to his place, "Nelson Rocks Preserve" in West Viginia...there we don't need to dance with the access fund nor do we need to share "our rock" with the locals.
if you need directions and or any info...you know where to reach me...
***when life gives you lemons...MAKE LEMONADE!!
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well its looks like i`m in the same boat here... seems a lot of us weren`t given all the information. I too apologise for his all.. this was shaping up to be a great Gathering. I will not be attending either, whoever is going please and I re-iterate what anne said please DON`T use the sites name.
Anyway sorry this had to come about..
Have Fun in West virginia!!!
climb Hard
Peace
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Thank You Anne
You are as gracious as I had hoped.
This is why I luv ya!
Mitch
Details will be forthcoming
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OFFICIAL STATEMENT:
My fellow RC.com climbers:
It is my unfortunate responsibility to inform you that the gathering will not occur as originally scheduled on Friday, Nov 1st to Sunday, Nov, 3rd. Allow me to explain:
As popularity of the gathering increased, concern was raised by the climbing community that such an event would stress the access sensitivity of Birdsboro. Ten years ago, the area was opened after much negotiations. After that, sensitivity remained in limbo. However, with time, the access today is quite lax. Nonetheless, PA climbers are all too familiar with access problems. Gems like Safe Harbor, Sex Wall, and Governor Stables are---or once closed as a result of access issues. And it is no one’s intention for such a place as Birdsboro to once again be added to the list.
When such a concern was raised, Mitch and myself began to investigate. Our finding from Birdsboro Town Hall were quite positive. However, under the advise of the Access Fund, we were required to receive written permission for such an official gathering to take place. Unfortunately, in regards to obtaining an approval through the legal matters we were given definite answer. Birdsboro town hall is researching the matter, but they have not made any promises. Under such uncertainty in regards to how long such a process would take, we are forced to inform everyone of this situation and officially call off the gathering. However, it should be stated that climbing is still permitted at Birdsboro. Please keep in mind these concerns! Be responsible and courteous!
In retrospect, talk of the gathering has raised concerns which needed to be addressed; efforts are underway to reform the Birdsboro Access Committee which will bridge conversation between the town and climbers, the Access Fund and the Pennsylvania Alliance of Climbers. Furthermore, it is our hope that certain improvements will be the result of continued effort of the part of the climbing community.
Mitch has told me that he is still offering his backyard for those that would like to get a taste of some of the other areas in SE PA. If the weather turns sour, a possible indoor gathering at Cliffhangers in Reading (15 minutes from Birdsboro) is still being considered. Furthermore, I understand that other impromptu gatherings are in the works. Please PM myself or Mitchal for more information and any concerns.
Once again we apologize for such an inconvenience. Stay tuned to RC.com for future details regarding access, initiatives, etc.
Climb on—responsively—my fellow climbers,
Randy
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thank you again stu for your support!!
ps....mitch you know how i feel about you too...i know what you were trying to do...thanks man...
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I'll head to Nelson with my buddy Annie and to meet the famous Stu (sorry I never got to help you with the via ferrata stu! damn rainy weather!) Anyone who might want a ride from the DC area let me know, I have room for one more I think...
Yee haw! Make lemonaide girl!
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so unstoked man. shit.
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eric...you are a "LOCAL CLIMBER" at birdsboro and should go and climb...crank one for me man!!!! you all will be in my thoughts...please take pictures and share with the rest of us, OK????
and this spring...we will try again and make it at an area that can accomodate us all and where we are welcome!!!!!
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i'd ask you where you think is good anne...but i'm tired of this planning for a LONG while. Thanks to everyone for their input. Unfortunately, we all learned a hard, but necessary lesson.
I hope it pours all weekend (just on the rock)...that way I'll feel better and go climbing else where.
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randy...no offense bro...but this next one...i will handle ALL BY MYSELF!!!!
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Now for my statement on this unfortunate turn of events.
I want to firstly thank Anne and Randy for all the hard work they put in on this gathering.Their efforts were Hurculean in scope and determination.I am proud that I was included in their plan and wish to appologize for not being able to do more in less time.
As you can see in the sequence of posts, every effort was made to make the locals and town hall aware of the event and to extend every courtesy to them both.
The concerns of the locals were valid,if not overreacted to.Having recieved a letter forwarded from Randy,from Rob Holtzman,I was told of access concerns and contacted town hall with these questions and was assured all would be fine.I should have expanded my scope and sought harder for old committtee members,but,thought it unneeded.
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well...nonetheless....thank you mitch for your efforts as well.
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Having contacted the "Access Fund" before and been told they had no records of the (former) committee,or any agreement,we continued planning.
Recently we were deluged with nasty emails and threats of access closure,and then contacted the PAC for assistance in assuring permission.This past friday I was advised that the Access Fund recomended a WRITTEN permission to gather from town hall.I returned and detailed all that was happening.Even though the sentiment was that they(town officials) could not understand the need,They put the matter in front of the borough manager.He recomended a review by the town solicitor,and I was told that no timeframe for approval could be garunteed.At this time I recomended that Randy make a decision on cancelling and told him I was for cancellation.He prudently did so.We felt it unfair to have anyone hang in limbo when a timely answer could not be garrunteed.
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Having done all this,to the point of personal difficulties in freindships,we felt we had done a good job in planning and attempting to gain access.We are now in the proccess of forming a new and CONTACTABLE committee to deal with issues relating to,and affecting,climbing at the quarry.
I personally wish to appologize for not being nore forthright with info on pending troubles.I felt it best to work on the side and let only the others directly involved in on things.I held back some from even those people,in concern for the strain they were already under.
A new and "Officialy Approved" gathering will be coming in the spring.The planning will be done first,and then posted.
I again appologize for any lack on my part and want to credit the other planners and those who were going to attend for their efforts.
Thanks for the dream
Mitch
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for some wierd reason...after reading your post Mitchal...I get a sense of satification, a sense of accomplishment. Unfortunately it came at an expense, but the spring gathering will batch that up!! Gosh we may need to plan an indoor gathering just so we can meet each other now!
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There is other rock in PA. Could give the Gap a go sometime.
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a friend of min (jim bowers) said that it would be too small I wasnt sure.. yall shoulda just cam over my way.. theres places and I woulda fed ya
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rwaltermyer
Nov 1, 2002, 3:36 PM
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well....i think birdboro has a great variety.
And if you climb 10+, the big wall is nuts.
Everything from short pumpy, to LONG and sick!
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UPDATE: PA Gathering @ Birdsboro
