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climbeer
Aug 26, 2008, 7:21 AM
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is there anything that you shouldnt use a wire gate biner for that you can use a regular gate for (i know what you need to use locking biners for)
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sungam
Aug 26, 2008, 10:34 AM
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It's pretty much just personal preference.
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chossmonkey
Aug 26, 2008, 10:58 AM
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shoo
Aug 26, 2008, 11:46 AM
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You shouldn't use a wiregate for SEARCHING BEFORE YOU POST.
Edited to actually answer your question.
The only real downside of wiregates is that except for very specific and expensive carabiners (DMM Shield and WC Helium), you pretty much have to have a notched nose. You also, as you pointed out earlier, shouldn't use it in any situation in which a locker is preferred. Other than that, it's all preference.
(This post was edited by shoo on Aug 26, 2008, 11:52 AM)
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USnavy
Aug 26, 2008, 12:39 PM
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AlexCV
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USnavy wrote: Many wiregates have straight gates making them harder to clip then bent solid gates. Some solid gates seem to have a bit smoother gate action too. But the main thing is that its harder to find bent wiregates then it is to find bent solid gates.
The main thing I watch out for in wiregate biners is color. Since the biners are interchangeable for pro vs. rope side, I make sure they're a different color so as to not mix them up and risk nicks and dents in the rope basket of the rope side biner.
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shockabuku
Aug 26, 2008, 1:20 PM
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Some people say that the flat plane formed by the wire gate is more prone to catching on bolt heads than the round bar stock of a solid gate thereby making it easier for a wire gate to be inadvertently opened during rotation on a bolt hanger.
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j_ung
Aug 26, 2008, 1:29 PM
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OPENING BEER BOTTLES 
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j_ung
Aug 26, 2008, 1:30 PM
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carbonrx8
Aug 26, 2008, 1:53 PM
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shoo wrote: The only real downside of wiregates is that except for very specific and expensive carabiners (DMM Shield and WC Helium), you pretty much have to have a notched nose.
Back to opening beer bottles with biners. Speaking of which, I dont see why you couldn't with a wiregate, but I have never tried.
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shockabuku
Aug 26, 2008, 2:02 PM
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Oh, yeah, and opening beer bottles!
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vegastradguy
Aug 26, 2008, 2:13 PM
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racking stoppers- at least in my case. damn near lost half of mine when they worked their way off a wiregate some years back. only rack 'em on solid gates these days.
otherwise, opening beer bottles is the only real limitation.
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jungle_george
Aug 26, 2008, 2:32 PM
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I second the limitation for racking stoppers.
I always thought my partner was quirky for racking his stoppers on a solid gate, until this year when I lost a couple of stoppers from racking on a wire gate.
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Tipton
Aug 26, 2008, 2:40 PM
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I've never had an issue with my stoppers on a wire gate. What's the problem with it? Stoppers make up almost my entire rack so dropping them is a big no no.
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jungle_george
Aug 26, 2008, 3:29 PM
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Question: What's the problem with racking stoppers on wiregates???
Answer: Stoppers racked on wiregates attract Gremlins who attack my rack and randomly unclip one or two.
Solid gates keep the gremlins away. YMMV.
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gunksgoer
Aug 26, 2008, 3:41 PM
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vegastradguy wrote: racking stoppers- at least in my case. damn near lost half of mine when they worked their way off a wiregate some years back. only rack 'em on solid gates these days. otherwise, opening beer bottles is the only real limitation.
Exactly what he said.
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vegastradguy
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Tipton wrote: I've never had an issue with my stoppers on a wire gate. What's the problem with it? Stoppers make up almost my entire rack so dropping them is a big no no.
i know a fair number of folks who have had the same problem, but just as many that havent had any problems....i think its a combination of where you rack them and what carabiner you use.
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binrat
Aug 26, 2008, 3:45 PM
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Has anybody said opening beer bottles??
Binrat
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jdefazio
Aug 26, 2008, 3:55 PM
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For opening beer bottles, you must use the extra-super-special version:
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the_leech
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shockabuku wrote: Oh, yeah, and opening beer bottles!
binrat wrote: Has anybody said opening beer bottles??
j_ung wrote: Opening beer bottles!
If you haven't figured out how to open a beer bottle with a wiregate, you're not worthy to call yourself climbers.
Posers.
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stymingersfink
Aug 26, 2008, 5:01 PM
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j_ung wrote: climbeer wrote: is there anything that you shouldnt use a wire gate biner for that you can use a regular gate for (i know what you need to use locking biners for) Opening beer bottles!
I expected beter from you.
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stymingersfink
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the_leech wrote: shockabuku wrote: Oh, yeah, and opening beer bottles! binrat wrote: Has anybody said opening beer bottles?? j_ung wrote: Opening beer bottles! If you haven't figured out how to open a beer bottle with a wiregate, you're not worthy to call yourself climbers. Posers.
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stymingersfink
Aug 26, 2008, 5:08 PM
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the_leech wrote: shockabuku wrote: Oh, yeah, and opening beer bottles! binrat wrote: Has anybody said opening beer bottles?? j_ung wrote: Opening beer bottles! If you haven't figured out how to open a beer bottle with a wiregatepretty much anything/nothing, you're not worthy to call yourself climbersbeer drinkers. Posers.
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sungam
Aug 26, 2008, 5:14 PM
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stymingersfink wrote: the_leech wrote: shockabuku wrote: Oh, yeah, and opening beer bottles! binrat wrote: Has anybody said opening beer bottles?? j_ung wrote: Opening beer bottles! If you haven't figured out how to open a beer bottle with a wiregatepretty much anything/nothing, you're not worthy to call yourself climbersbeer drinkers. Posers. ^^this is also korrekt.
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climbeer
Aug 26, 2008, 5:44 PM
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I really couldnt be happier that my question got answered and the conversation turned to drinking. My favorite way to open a beer is still the bumper of my jeep wrangler. when away from the jeep its my knife. I havent tried a biner but i will
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sungam
Aug 26, 2008, 5:50 PM
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climbeer wrote: I havent tried a biner but i will
PTFTF.
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Tipton
Aug 26, 2008, 5:52 PM
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I use a ring that I wear. The technique is simple, just put the palm side of the ring under the cap and pull back towards yourself. The entire thing is done with your hand open so the top just sort of disappears. Its beertastic!
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flipnfall
Aug 26, 2008, 6:07 PM
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I'm in the "it's a personal preference" camp.
Have fun!
GT
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stymingersfink wrote: j_ung wrote: climbeer wrote: is there anything that you shouldnt use a wire gate biner for that you can use a regular gate for (i know what you need to use locking biners for) Opening beer bottles! This is complete and utter BULLSHIT jay. In fact, 90% of the bottles I open are done with the Neutrino I keep my truck keys on. The other 10% are opened with what ever is at hand, with bonus points for successfully using an item perceived to be the least likely to pop the top. I expected beter from you.
You expected me to trash all my wire gates on beer bottles? 'Cause that's what happened the last time I used one to open a beer. Or is that why your bottle-opening Neutrino lives on your keychain?
Still, I'll try to provide "beter," in the future. 
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stymingersfink
Aug 26, 2008, 6:35 PM
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j_ung wrote: stymingersfink wrote: j_ung wrote: climbeer wrote: is there anything that you shouldnt use a wire gate biner for that you can use a regular gate for (i know what you need to use locking biners for) Opening beer bottles! This is complete and utter BULLSHIT jay. In fact, 90% of the bottles I open are done with the Neutrino I keep my truck keys on. The other 10% are opened with what ever is at hand, with bonus points for successfully using an item perceived to be the least likely to pop the top. I expected beter from you. You expected me to trash all my wire gates on beer bottles? 'Cause that's what happened the last time I used one to open a beer. Or is that why your bottle-opening Neutrino lives on your keychain? Still, I'll try to provide "beter," in the future.
jay, jay jay... Utilize the 'biner just as you would a lighter... the bottom of the basket is the contact point, the spine levered over your knuckle the action that makes it work. 
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stymingersfink
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Valarc wrote: j_ung wrote: You expected me to trash all my wire gates on beer bottles? 'Cause that's what happened the last time I used one to open a beer.  Wrap hand firmly around the neck of the beer bottle in a totally non-homoerotic fashion with a small gap between the thumb and the cap. Place any object between thumb and cap. Squeeze hard in a totally non-homoerotic fashion and apply leverage to object. I've used everything from driveway stones to empty beer bottles to open beer bottles using this technique. Works equally well using a wiregate 'biner... with no damage done.
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chossmonkey
Aug 26, 2008, 7:00 PM
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j_ung wrote: climbeer wrote: is there anything that you shouldnt use a wire gate biner for that you can use a regular gate for (i know what you need to use locking biners for) Opening beer bottles!
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j_ung
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chossmonkey wrote: j_ung wrote: climbeer wrote: is there anything that you shouldnt use a wire gate biner for that you can use a regular gate for (i know what you need to use locking biners for) Opening beer bottles! Good point.
Thanks?
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On a serious note, when I'm at anchor bolts and I'm clipping other 'biners to the 'biners in the bolts, then I like those bolt-biners to be solid gates. Something about having 3-5 'biners clipped to a wire gate sketches me out ... like the wire could get twisted open or it could bend out or something.
Of course, if I've got lockers left, then I use those instead.
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