This is one of the worse SAR fatality incidents in the history of mountain rescue operations just to locate two climbers who should not even be there.

http://www.traveldealsreview.net/...ches-kill-seven.html

A reminder on the forum guidelines which you should have read prior to posting here:

- "You need to give a brief summary of the details in the article - name(s), place, date and nature of accident as a bare minimum. OP's that are simply a link to an article without these details will be recycled on sight". I believe you are aware of this guideline, as you actually followed up with involved parties in a prior incident to provide them.

- "it would be appreciated if you could amend your OP (and especially the title) to cover the key details". Once the thread has been recycled and you repost, please correct the title to indicate that the people the rescuers were searching for were not in fact climbers, but either tourists on snowshoes (your link) or skiers (Matt's link).

- "speculation must be clearly labelled as such, and based upon known facts from the case." While it is reasonable to speculate based on the minister's assertion, and the avalanche which killed the rescuers, that the conditions were such that the skiers/snowshoers shouldn't have been there, it is still speculation, and should be labeled as such. Some search organizations operate under a principle of not endangering themselves in a rescue (since this just compounds the problem); if the Italian guides operated under this principle, their decision to go ahead with the rescue could be read as an indication that conditions were judged adequately safe. Famously, members of the mountain guides association to which Bonatti belonged stood by and let several members of his party perish in the French Alps because they judged conditions unsafe for a rescue.

huh???

Are you from Dusseldorf or Dusseldork?

Thank you Majid. Happy New Year.

A reminder on the forum guidelines which you should have read prior to posting here:

- "You need to give a brief summary of the details in the article - name(s), place, date and nature of accident as a bare minimum. OP's that are simply a link to an article without these details will be recycled on sight". I believe you are aware of this guideline, as you actually followed up with involved parties in a prior incident to provide them.

- "it would be appreciated if you could amend your OP (and especially the title) to cover the key details". Once the thread has been recycled and you repost, please correct the title to indicate that the people the rescuers were searching for were not in fact climbers, but either tourists on snowshoes (your link) or skiers (Matt's link).

- "speculation must be clearly labelled as such, and based upon known facts from the case." While it is reasonable to speculate based on the minister's assertion, and the avalanche which killed the rescuers, that the conditions were such that the skiers/snowshoers shouldn't have been there, it is still speculation, and should be labeled as such. Some search organizations operate under a principle of not endangering themselves in a rescue (since this just compounds the problem); if the Italian guides operated under this principle, their decision to go ahead with the rescue could be read as an indication that conditions were judged adequately safe. Famously, members of the mountain guides association to which Bonatti belonged stood by and let several members of his party perish in the French Alps because they judged conditions unsafe for a rescue.

theguy makes valid arguments, especially given Majids love of posting sensational headlines and then disappearing.

I don't even see the Designated Mod following these rules

don't make up some shit

just for majid

This forum is not policed except to pick on majid.

DMT

I'm glad someone else sees this too.

And why is it wrong to blame majid for posting 25% of a forum's posts without adding any significant content or follow thru?

It appears that he likes to hook his wagon to any passing accident as if to reinforce his standing as an expert in his own right.

I don't check out car forums,

+ another

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theguy makes valid arguments, especially given Majids love of posting sensational headlines and then disappearing. He likes to act like an expert, but almost never gives follow ups to his own posts, just arrows and pretty colors to point out his own interpretations of other peoples mistakes.

The second link is also no more than look at me sensationalism.

Ooh, ooh me too. Majid is one of my top five RC.com people I don't know who I would let dress me up like a lady and take me aid climbing.

Those rules were written specifically targeting Majid and are suspect from the inception. And the person who wrote them doesn't adhere.

This forum is not policed except to pick on majid.

DMT

Those rules were written specifically targeting Majid and are suspect from the inception. And the person who wrote them doesn't adhere.

This forum is not policed except to pick on majid.

DMT

And if anyone should need this point reinforced all they need to do is look one thread below this one on the main page - http://www.rockclimbing.com/...d;page=unread#unread

Quiteatingmysteak makes an inappropriate/dickish comment and a few posts later a mod gives an update without so much as batting an eye at the bullshit going on above.

You only have ONE forum that actually needs moderation. Get your shit together guys/gals.

FYI, the dickish comment was viewed by me, as a person, who happens to be a mod.

It was then dealt with in no uncertain terms by subsequent posters, many of whom quoted the offending post.

My thought process was the following:
a. Do I delete, move, or recycle the offending post?
b. If I do, I will need to then delete, move, recycle, or hide the resulting responses.
c. If I do a. or b. above, someone will call me a dick.
d. If I don't do a. or b. above, someone will call me a dick.
e. If I give information pertinent to the discussion, I could enlighten those who were, like myself, concerned and interested. In the process, I can help end the speculation, and thus let the offending post slide off the front page, meanwhilst preserving the dickishness of certain comments and the opposition of other users, all without being accused of over-moderation.

I opted for e. and failed miserably.

Now you know. Have a happy New Year,

Signed,
Dick.

I agree that reminders and reproaches and opportunities for selfmoderation are the preferred and appropriate tools for most situations in all but this forum. In I&A things should not be left as a reminder, if someone will not self-edit, the posts should be removed. To include subseqent tirades by other posters, my own included.

This forum needs moderation, the rest just need babysitting.

Oh and a happy new year to you as as well, my good man.

Generally, I agree.

Still, I would love to see follow up analysis by the OP. Also, for what it is worth, this is one forum in which I have no Mod privvies. I did the best with what I had available...

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theguy makes valid arguments, especially given Majids love of posting sensational headlines and then disappearing. He likes to act like an expert, but almost never gives follow ups to his own posts, just arrows and pretty colors to point out his own interpretations of other peoples mistakes.

The second link is also no more than look at me sensationalism.