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soggydorito
Aug 25, 2004, 7:00 AM
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What is everyone's take with smoking the green stuff and climbing. I did it in a gym and I've done it with TR's outside. Sport or Trad leading would scare the shit out of me. But seriously, I feel like I climb much better after indulging a bit. To answer any skeptics, I've never felt unsafe, and am always sure everything is kosher before beginning a climb. If I manage to actually get going, I feel like I focus much better. But mostly I'm just too lazy and sit and stare at the rock.
If you haven't ever smoked, I don't really want to hear your opinion, and if you haven't ever smoked and climbed I'm only slightly interested in your opinion. I am just wondering about other peoples experiences.
-Barry
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coldclimb
Aug 25, 2004, 7:41 AM
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lol, here it goes... I predict at least 8 pages. ;)
Do a forum search....
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nmoroder
Aug 25, 2004, 7:44 AM
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[shakes]I hope everyone is as sick of this topic as I am.[/shakes]
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sankey
Aug 25, 2004, 7:49 AM
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Yes we all hear about bad it is, and how it will result in crags being closed. And yet, the one crag that i find more pot than any is elcap. So whinners shut up, smokers enjoy. We climb bigS.h.i.t. and should smoke or drink what we want.
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tyify
Aug 25, 2004, 8:01 AM
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If you free solo/boulder smoke away. This way you won't be endangering anybody's life. No matter what end of the rope your on your can endanger the other climbers around you by being high. Not knowing how to deal with emergency situations/ accidently trundling rocks onto peoples heads these are all worries that I would have climbing around those that are stoned. When you climb stoned you are yet another responsibility that those around you have to deal with. If you are going to light up do it at home!
And for good measure
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Aug 25, 2004, 8:21 AM
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In reply to: Not knowing how to deal with emergency situations/ accidently trundling rocks onto peoples heads these are all worries that I would have climbing around those that are stoned. |
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chads93gt
Aug 25, 2004, 8:33 AM
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pot makes me puke, head spin, fall asleep, and generally feel like shit. So I think its a bad idea. But thats justm y take. Im a beer guy, I hate the high weed gives me. Maybe I shouldnt get trashed off alcohol, then get talked into smoking up. Maybe then I wouldnt puke, my head wouldnt spin, then I wouldnt pass out and feel like shit. But HEY, who knows. I pass on grass :)
I wouldnt climb drunk or high. I get high on life, i dont need any false realities.
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Aug 25, 2004, 8:40 AM
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In reply to: makes me puke, head spin, fall asleep, and generally feel like s---. |
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tallnik
Aug 25, 2004, 9:23 AM
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Weird... Deja Vu...
Hahaha, anyways:
If you're not endangering anyone else, then go for it. I would not recommend heading up a trad pitch or multipitch, but if you feel obliged to smoke and climb, that's your call. I don't want to have to be the one to carry your stupid ass from the crag though, so be aware of your limits.
I've smoked a couple times before going to the gym, but usually a couple of hours before I get there, so I'm coming down when I start climbing. A couple facts: my partner knew (he was sober) and was cool with it, we double checked everything (buddy check, etc). I've had awesome sessions, as you're so relaxed and focused.
However, I would personally be hesitant about smoking in a situation where I'm on lead or others are relying upon me to bail them out of a situation if it goes to sh!t. As well, if toproping, I would want to make sure the anchor was built/checked before lighting up.
It's your ass or your partners...
One last point I would make is: if there's kids around, don't smoke. Cigs or jays, I don't care. It's not a good example. I smoked for a couple years, and I still don't think it's right.
That's my piece,
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nonick
Aug 25, 2004, 9:54 AM
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This is a boring topic.
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tallnik
Aug 25, 2004, 10:09 AM
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In reply to: This is a boring topic
Well, then why bother reading... and replying to the topic...
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timmah
Aug 25, 2004, 11:20 AM
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It seems to me that RC.com is in dire need of an obvious list of FAQs. Something like tradgirl. Perhaps even an obvious link to tradgirl. Repeated questions seem to be approaching critical mass.
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overlord
Aug 25, 2004, 12:38 PM
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i have tried it on TR. no visible gains in climing ability.
IMHO its best left for after.
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crag
Aug 25, 2004, 1:23 PM
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Climbing saved me from a life of drugs
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boulderman
Aug 25, 2004, 1:32 PM
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In reply to: It seems to me that RC.com is in dire need of an obvious list of FAQs. Something like tradgirl. Perhaps even an obvious link to tradgirl. Repeated questions seem to be approaching critical mass.
I guess there is only so much you can really talk about in the climbing world before you start repeating things. 90% of what I read on this site is stupid sh*t posted by stupid kids. 99.9% of whats on this site has all been said before.
Any experienced climber knows that many climbers smoke some weed. Many climbers don't. Some smoke before climbing, some smoke after climbing. Some smoke while climbing. Some are really good famous climbers, some are pretty good climbers who are virtually unknown to most of us. Weed makes some people focus on climbing hard and it makes some people just to relaxed to climb at all.
WHO THE F*CK CARES
If you like it.... Do it!
If you don't like it.... Don't do it!
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This form has just been pass on to the DEA, All confessing parties will be investigated by local field officers.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/
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jammer
Aug 25, 2004, 5:19 PM
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read below ...
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coylec
Aug 25, 2004, 5:29 PM
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In reply to: This form has just been pass on to the DEA, All confessing parties will be investigated by local field officers. http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/
So which field office you call, narc?
Oh, and it is spelled F-O-R-U-M.
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eyecannon
Aug 25, 2004, 5:37 PM
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Some people can smoke it and still have perfect coordination, and for some it can more easily get them "in the zone" of smooth climbing.
However, other people lose massive amounts of coordination and brain power when they smoke it.
So in conclusion, for some it is totally fine, for others, a death-wish.
But I think most people would agree that some substance (weed or alcohol mainly) is great after a nice hard day of climbing :twisted:
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old_school
Aug 25, 2004, 5:43 PM
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it all depends how good your herb is
any way, do what you want to
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slamurai
Aug 25, 2004, 5:44 PM
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I've smoked and gone biking before, and noticed more focus. But I've also noticed that when climbing it gives me what I call geriatrics (motor skill loss), and I don't like it. so my vote is after only.
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skinnyjim
Aug 25, 2004, 5:46 PM
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:boring: HOW MANY TIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :deadhorse:
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slablizard
Aug 25, 2004, 5:49 PM
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After. 8^)
Before: makes me sleepy.
During: Makes me less focused
After: perfect.
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rcaret
Aug 25, 2004, 5:55 PM
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Not for me thanks !!! :roll:
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breaksnclimbs
Aug 25, 2004, 5:57 PM
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It's not like weed is some "magical" thing that makes your muscles
stronger or anything of that sort. It has an entirely different effect
on one person than the other. Like anything else in life "IT DEPENDS"
If you smoke regularly than handling a situation stoned probably wont
be much different than sober. If you don't smoke often it may cast a much different spell over you. I seriously doubt that you will get so high
that you forget to clip in, or can't place a cam or nut. These things happen
anyway... were those people stoned?? It's up to you and your judgement
on weather to smoke'n'climb, but it is absolutely imperative that you AND
your partner are ok with it. As far as trundling rocks etc. weed doesn't
make you some stumbling fool, that's called booze there's a thread on
climbing drunk too.
peace
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breaksnclimbs
Aug 25, 2004, 6:08 PM
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In reply to: This form has just been pass on to the DEA, All confessing parties will be investigated by local field officers. http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/
Like they give a rats ass about a few internet climbing puffers, all that tax money to file a couple of misdemeaners c'mon now!! I've had cops hand my sh!t back so they din't have to deal with the paper work!! Let them investigate me they won't find anything but a waste of their time.
DEA... Yeah right don't they have bigger spliffs to fry; like real
DRUG dealers and that sort of thing??
Live and let live other than that F**k 'em
SHEEESH!! :roll: :roll: :roll:
yours FREELY
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petro
Aug 25, 2004, 6:14 PM
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"Reality is for those who can't handle drugs." -from the ceiling of the inXpot at the base of Keystone, can't remember who said it, go look if you care.
"Only users lose drugs." -My climbing buddy Mike, but I think someone might have beaten him to it.
Ever watch a stoned guy untangle a climbing rope. It's good for hours of laughs.
If embibing after, make sure to pack first. uhhhhhhhhh...
Where's my... What the??? What was I looking for? Oh, there it is, I thought it was lost forever. What were we just talking about? :roll:
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Aug 25, 2004, 6:15 PM
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a marriage made in heaven
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Aug 25, 2004, 7:03 PM
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all I can say, is that after getting hit by a 200 lb rock and taking a 30 footer 20 pitches up the capitan, a fatty was the only thing that allowed me to climb through a broken finger and toe during a 36 hr push-
not to mention being scared out of my gourd-
bongs are like a helmet.
courage for your head, and only tools dont use one.
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Aug 25, 2004, 7:19 PM
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I think those who sign in as dead-horse advocates must be high, otherwise they'd realize that their responses are what's keeping this thread on the board!
If you don't like weed threads, don't read 'em, and fer dang sure don't reply!
In summary:
:deadhorse:
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:deadhorse:
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pmyche
Aug 25, 2004, 8:29 PM
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What's with the cartoon of frowney hitting a bleeding horse in the crotch? Oh, yes, I remember that warning in Reefer Madness.
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"I feel like I climb much better"... "I've never felt unsafe"...
I you could say that you DO climb better and that you ARE safe then go for it. If it's just a different feeling you get then maybe the feeling is being altered and you are still climbing badly and you are unsafe. I don't smoke or drink because, no matter what that stuff does to you, it will screw me up.
"I feel like I drive better" would be really funny coming from a guy in the tank for DUI.
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bigga
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I think there is a fairly decent chance the follow up to this thread will be put into the "injuries and accidents" section. Cmon guys, you cant be serious.
Sure, if things are going alright and you are a regular climber then you are in the realm of habit and you'll be ok because everything you are doing is second nature to you already... but what happens when something goes wrong... you think its ok to be stoned in that situation?
Try this. Lets say you are 100 meters up on a vertical spourt climb. The climb goes up and sideways so that the inteded way of getting down is to finnish the last pitch and then rap down to bolted anchors that are set up every 30,40 meters directly under the last pitches anchor. But you're not on the last pitch... you have 2 more to go... And it starts raining heavily.
Quickly the cliff becomes a waterfall, and you begin slipping and sliding on the rock because niether your hands nor your rock shoes stick to the rock like they used to. Everything gets drenched, worst of all the rope which now weighs far more than what it used to and is much harder to drag up. You think about leading up the last two pitches but decide against it since the next bolt (as well as all the bolts after that) are run out between 10 and 15 meters and with you slipping and sliding on the rock like that the chances of you taking a serious 30 meter fall are not in your favor and you dont want to leave your partner stuck to the rock while you are hanging somewhere unconcious. Rapping down the route you came isn't a piece of cake iether since the not only are the bolts below you also run out 15 meters, they aren't below you iether, they are down and sideways so to go down that way you have to abseil and traverse at the same time on slippery wet rock and hope that you find the bolt somewhere down there.
But its your best bet so u decide to go with it. Problem is your buddies who were supposed to climb up after you with the rope you were going to rap down with were brighter than you and decided not to go, so you have to abseil down 40 meter pitches on a 60 meter so you are going to have to use single bolts as anchors. So you find yourself with your partner, both of you crowding a single bolt, both of you clipped into this one bolt while through all this mess of biners slings and rope you have to get out of the rope and set up another station for another rapel, all the while having to stay aware in all that tangle of what is attached to what so that you dont untie the wrong know, remove the wrong sling, unscrew the wrong biner or make 1 of 100 other posible mistakes that all have the same ending. Meanwhile your hands are so cold that they are shaking like crazy and it hurts when you touch something, and you are begining to loose feeling in the fingers. You find it hard to open a biners gate, never mind unscrew a biner or untie a weighted knot. And you are trying to use the friction on your feet to lean back on the sling and give you some room, but there is no friction and while you are working you keep slipping into the anchor.
To make things worse, you've rapped down and clipped into a bolt, and when you try to bring the rope down from above, you realize that because of the added mass of the water the rope doesn't budge. You even pull together with your partner and it still doesn't want to come down... So you are in the middle of a cliff that is now a semi-waterfall, attached to a bolt, your whole body is now shaking from the cold and your rope has decided to stay at the last pitch....
Is anyone really gonna tell me that at anypoint during this whole story it wouldn't bother you if you or your partner were stoned? If so... well, each to there own. Personally I think the sport has enough inherit risk without adding in stuff that effect parts of the brain that deal with, among other things, concentration and problem solving...
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In reply to: This form has just been pass on to the DEA, All confessing parties will be investigated by local field officers. http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/
it doesnt say anything about people talkinga bout smoking pot...
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This topic is always stated, and its kinda getting old, if ur asking you probably already do it, so who cares do what u want, its your life.
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In reply to: You do not appear to meet the qualifications for the Special Agent position at this time. To learn how you may qualify in the future, contact 1-800-DEA-4288 for your local DEA Recruitment Coordinator. For additional information on other DEA positions visit the rest of www.dea.gov.
dang. :oops:
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iclimblilrocks
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1st off Its illiegal.
2nd it fucks up your gudgement
3rd you could seriously injure or kill someone if not yourself
4th its not worth it
5th your retarted to touch a joint
6 if you cant drive drunk or high, why should climbing be any differant
pot & alcohal+climbing= dead climber/climbers
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You make me sad :cry: . Look around you and wake up. Reefer is'n't all they've taught you it is :evil:.....
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I think you could learn something here soggydorito, not from the people who replied (a bunch of tired, bored, exasperated, useless replies), but from those that didn't bother replying at all. You'll notice that no 'true' pothead offered any modest opinion here, and that simply because we feel that the very fact of your asking for opinion probably means you're feeling insecure and shouldn't be doing it at all.
Although I prefer smoking after a good day of climbing, I often smoke before and during climbing. That said, I also smoke while driving my car, on my work breaks, before and after exams, before meeting my banker, after waking up in the morning (with an espresso), before going to bed, and on any other trivial occasion of my daily life. I don't care whether my partner smoked before belaying me simply because I can't tell if he did, and I take it for granted he did. If it's otherwise with you, you should think long and hard about what you're doing.
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I think being high could possibly compliment the experience of moving well on rock, if the element of risk is removed. So I would consider it in a bomber top-rop situation, with all systems carefully double checked (perhaps a sober friend checking).
However, in any area of climbing where risk and judgement are an element, I wouldn't ever want to do it. It just doesn't go together. Yes it could add unnescessary stupid risk, but also:
the joy of adventure climbing is that it makes the whole world buzz, it puts the brain and the senses into overdrive and your perception becomes acute. I wouldn't want to dilute or interfere with that.
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I thought weed was one of those things that you did for fun in college, but eventually grew out of. Maybe I was wrong, or maybe I didn't inhale?
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In reply to: because we feel that the very fact of your asking for opinion probably means you're feeling insecure and shouldn't be doing it at all.
Yep.
Reading this thread I thought "If anybody with a truthful insight based on experience rather than blind panic or clawing for coolness posted it would be a Wonder(1978)".
A CLASSIC case of 'If you have to ask you won't understand the (ramifications of the) answer.'
Some can, some can't. Find out which one you are - or not. Either way it will be your decision... just like climbing and any number of things in life.
Oooow. ILLEGAL! One more risk!
I can't imagine how anyone posting here, of all web sites, forgets that taking a risk of (for example) falling is very, very different than actually falling. Risk / Reward calculations extend to drugs. Personal freedom issues apply, too. To people who hold both viewpoints.
Mark
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Marijuana (specifically the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, THC) stimulates the buildup of serotonine, which itself is produced naturally by the body and creates a sublime like feeling or effect. Therefore, a feeling of happiness or even carelessness subsequently, justifiably or not, will occur when a person smokes marijuana. (So, it is possible to achieve a detrimental state of peace of mind, making climbing or any other inherently dangerous activity unadvisable) So, there are some facts for you to chew on. I have smoked weed just so you all know, and I know several people that have smoked weed, many of whom have gone on to other, harder drugs and activities. And PS- I choose not to sedate myself, with mediums such as weed and consumerist and conformist driven television. Thinking and doing are the two most powerful freedoms we have as both humans and Americans.
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In reply to: Is anyone really gonna tell me that at anypoint during this whole story it wouldn't bother you if you or your partner were stoned?
Bigga, that was beautiful man, just beautiful.
Through all that shit man??? It would bother me if I WASN'T stoned.
It would scare me if you were serious, son.
DMT
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For me, I like climbing in my normal state of mind, I start losing coordination and all that shit
After climbing is when it is time to bake that shit. For me it relaxes my whole body and the stress my body just went through, fades away a little more than if I hadn't smoked.
Smoking after climbing on outdoor trips also make the hike down to the camp site very interesting, especially when its night time.
Good Times
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lol, now that makes sense...
P.S, the word was 'story' not 's___'
nice profile pic
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"Marijuana (specifically the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, THC) stimulates the buildup of serotonine"
So do most antidepressants. Does that make people that take antidepressants careless and have bad judgement?
As far as the DEA thing, that's bulls--- and even if you DID happen to be a amazing awful person (which I do doubt), they couldn't do anything with an internet posting in a forum admitting to smoking pot. In fact, I could go tell a cop right now that I smoke pot, and they couldn't do anything to me.
Now, addressing the matter of this being a popular topic, I apologize. I didn't realize and would have just read the other threads had I known. If it bothers you that much, don't read it, and definitely don't reply. But in just 24 hours there are already 4 pages, the majority of which were legimate responses. Not someone complaining about how over-discussed the subject is. So, it must still maintain the interest of others.
Speeding is illegal and can potentially have (at least in my state) the same or higher fines than for possesing marijuana.
I know most climbers smoke. I've noticed. I just wanted to hear some discussion from other climbers on the topic.
I agree that doing any sort of multi-pitch or trad climbing would be scary as all hell terribly stoned, but that's just me. If you do it, more power to you.
I'm not insecure in pot habits, if I were, why would I do it? That just doesn't make any sense.
I normally don't like the entire world knowing I smoke, so how could it be that I smoke to be "cool" Sorry, you lose on that one too.
The reason you puke after drinking and smoking pot is because the two don't mix all that well. It's called the spins. I did it once (I puked) and have heard many bad stories. I don't ever do it anymore. A little of each is excellent. Too much of either or both leads to bad outcomes.
The elaborate, drawn-out story of someone having a REALLY bad day climbing would just suck in general. I don't think being stoned is really going to make it any better or worse. Chances are you're going to be pretty shaken if you make it through that anyway.
So, I think I covered everything, let me know if I missed anything.
-Barry
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After being around marijuana smokers for 36 years, I find that some have enhanced concentration and other veg out. The vegers inherently raise the adrenalin level at your favorite crag. Have you ever witnessed stupid stuff on the crag and thought what the hell? A brain wipe is better suited for the lazy boy, on the lazy boy, not my belayer.
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My friend's answer to this when someone asked him: Never not. (At least when it's just the experienced guys. i.e. not on family or noob days.)
It effects people differently and it depends how much you smoke.
I almost always take no more than one toke at a time. Stoners often look at me like I'm crazy when I put it away after only one, but really that's all it takes. Of course if you've been smoking away you'll have some resistance built up, so you'll need to take a week off before hand. But one good hit (of good stuff) gets you high, you just need will power. Multiple hits gets you stoned with the resulting effects- judgement, coordination, headache, worse short term memory loss, etc.
As far as endangering others, I've helped out people a lot while baked. e.g. allowing people to rap royal arches with our party instead of doing the death slabs at night, helping noob parties who are having problems on trad climbs, telling people they are about to have their girlfriends rap off the ends of their ropes which don't reach the ground, etc. While I've never once endangered another party.
I wouldn't say most climbers smoke, but it's defineatly a higher percentage than in the general population.
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Actually you did miss something. When I was referring to using your mind and ability to take action, i wasn't citing your insecurity, although it is obvious now, I was simply noting marijuana’s effects on ambition and overall judgment, and not to mention short term memory (that is proven by the way) Antidepressants are a narcotic themselves, and are widely abused. Serotonin when introduced to a person who has sufficient amounts naturally will yield adverse effects, such as an unnatural feeling of euphoria. If you don't see that I’m sorry. You can justify and rationalize every argument put against yourself, but the facts are out there. And remaining ignorant:? Well, whom do you want in control of you life?
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sirdrinksalot
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we want to be free.
we want to be free to do what we want to do
we want to be free to ride our machines without being hasseled by the man
and we want to get loaded
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I smoke occasionally.
The first time I ever went outdoors, I was with more experience climbers. They set up a TR and pulled out the J. My partner and I looked at each other sort of uncomfortably. When it came around to us, we each took a little dose....
The result was me being very nervous on the rock. I was all clingy and holding my breath. Climbed like crap...at first.
The following climbs went okay, except the one that I tried to start forgetting that I needed to tie in. :oops:
In general, I'd prefer to save it for the 'post-mortem' session after I climb. More relaxing. I'd feel pretty stupid if something happened while I was stoned. I'd likely be asking myself a lot of 'what if I wasn't stoned' questions. Not a good feeling.
One guy I know smokes like a maniac and does most of his best thinking baked. Works for him, not so much for me.
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I think that a big misconception is that when someone is "Stoned", that they not concious or aware. In fact, for me, it enables me to focus much more clearly on my climbing as a whole, including the safety aspect.personally it helps me focus (only tr'd high, and only done it a couple times), but it has different reactions for different people. I dont trust any of my friends on belay when their high cause they handle it differently.
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I think that a big misconception is that when someone is "Stoned", that they not concious or aware. In fact, for me, it enables me to focus much more clearly on my climbing as a whole, including the safety aspect.personally it helps me focus (only tr'd high, and only done it a couple times), but it has different reactions for different people. I dont trust any of my friends on belay when their high cause they handle it differently.
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"1st off Its illiegal.
2nd it f--- up your gudgement
3rd you could seriously injure or kill someone if not yourself
4th its not worth it
5th your retarted to touch a joint
6 if you cant drive drunk or high, why should climbing be any differant
pot & alcohal+climbing= dead climber/climbers"
Whoa, dude... Explore the expanding mind trip of English grammar and spell check. But beware - it might be a gateway to effective writing composition and other more serious anomalies.
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One more thing I should add. And although the following is based on personal experience, I almost feel it is one of those truism that every regular pothead will agree with.
The main reason why I prefer smoking after rather than during the activity has nothing to do with security issues, loss of attention, reduced concentration or other nonsensical factors which (I repeat) for REGULAR smokers are utterly unconsequential. The principal deciding factor for me is strictly economic.
First of all, I ain't no bio-chemist, far from that, so consider this open to refutation, but don't infirm (or infer) if you're not informed (cuz that's just annoying).
Whether it's serotonin or endorphin we're talking about, the buzz that weed procures is (for all practical purposes) nullified by a good dose of adrenalin (much stronger in its range of effects). Basically: climbing hard kills your buzz, thus resulting in waste of good weed, and money (hence the economic aspect)
I used to smoke a lot when climbing. I ended up having to burn one every other route or so just to keep a mild feeling going. It got quite expensive on short road trips.
So that's the best reason I could give you for keeping the j till around the fire, you'll save some money on the long run (more buzz for your buck).
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iclimblittlerocks wrote:
1st off Its illiegal.
2nd it f--- up your gudgement
3rd you could seriously injure or kill someone if not yourself
4th its not worth it
5th your retarted to touch a joint
6 if you cant drive drunk or high, why should climbing be any differant
pot & alcohal+climbing= dead climber/climbers
I hear one puff and you'll never be able to spell again! :D
Dave
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Why would you even care what other people do, if they are not physically hurting you---leave them alone NARC?
climbing drugs and fun all go hand in hand--get used to it, thats the way it has always been and will...
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In reply to: climbing drugs and fun all go hand in hand--get used to it, thats the way it has always been and will...
So if I went to the movies with some friends, that wouldn't be fun? :wink: I wouldn't ever climb high, but I know people that could, would, and do.
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Well, maybe you should stick to tennis or something--whatever wimps do? I dont know---you tell us.
You dont think the best climbers are not on drugs? Look again---and let people do what they want.
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In reply to: personally it helps me focus (only tr'd high, and only done it a couple times), but it has different reactions for different people. I dont trust any of my friends on belay when their high cause they handle it differently.
You were stoned when you wrote this weren't you?
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Sure, smoke while you climb, while you're at it shoot yourself.
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pushsendnorcal
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In reply to: Sure, smoke while you climb, while you're at it shoot yourself.
Don't you love these people that draw radical conclusions from a subject they barely understand beside what they suck down from the media and the like.
Next time your popping down some Prevacid, Synthroid, Zyrtec, Celebrex, Nexium or Viagra into your mouth, think about the purpose those pills serve and what purpose marijuana serves.
One of the main reasons marijuana is considered an "illegal" drug is because it grows in the dirt and is not created in a tax paying corporation.
Whatever, its 420 somewhere in the world
im gone
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Joelcshanight wrote
In reply to: You dont think the best climbers are not on drugs? Look again---and let people do what they want.
Well maybe the best climbers in the world are wrong.
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In reply to: Thinking and doing are the two most powerful freedoms we have as both humans and Americans.
I love how you think we're all American.
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i dont need that shit
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First, I have no problem with it unless I'm sober, and you're belaying me stoned.
I've always wanted to try stoned climbing, but I tend to overlook details while stoned.
Although I find I create a better focus on what I'm doing I don't take in the big picture of what is going on.
Also, when REALLY stoned (and under stress) I tend to second-guess everything ,almost like a paranoia. I'd be constantly obsessing about my anchors, or...'did I check the rope after the last day out?', or...'is the ice warming up too much?'
I'm looking forward to the day we (Canada) legalize it fully. I was in Toronto about a month ago and a couple were walking down Queen St. toking, and nobody seemed to care. I certainly didn't.
Maybe I'll try gymming stoned. It would be safe enough.
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WTF
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I think a lot of people have a misconception about weed and its effects on individuals. I've never climbed stoned, but I've done a lot of other things stoned. I find that it is easier to really focus all of your attention on the task at hand when stoned.
IMHO weed should be legal. The only reason that I can see why it is not, is because the public is too misinformed about it. I know a lot of people who smoke on a regular basis, some even on into life. But do I notice a difference in that person? NO.
To each their own, let it be, and climb on stoners and non-stoners alike. Personal experience = personal preferrence.
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I'd just like to throw out there that... All of those drugs that you listed there are used for a purpose other than sheer enjoyment. Each one has a medical reason. Marijuana has limited number of medical reasons... I just don't understand why you need anything more than the love of the rocks? Isn't anything ever enough?
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In reply to: Sure, smoke while you climb, while you're at it shoot yourself.
YEAH! AND MAKE SURE TO SHOOT YOUR FAMILY FIRST!!! Is this guy for real?
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In reply to: I just don't understand why you need anything more than the love of the rocks? Isn't anything ever enough
do you have a family?
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This thread makes me laugh on so many levels.
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In reply to: If you free solo/boulder smoke away. This way you won't be endangering anybody's life. No matter what end of the rope your on your can endanger the other climbers around you by being high. Not knowing how to deal with emergency situations/ accidently trundling rocks onto peoples heads these are all worries that I would have climbing around those that are stoned. When you climb stoned you are yet another responsibility that those around you have to deal with. If you are going to light up do it at home! And for good measure :deadhorse:
got it in one, oh and congratulations! I nominate you for the "Best use of the floggin' a dead horse smiley" Award! :lol:
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In reply to: 1st off Its illiegal. 2nd it f--- up your gudgement 3rd you could seriously injure or kill someone if not yourself 4th its not worth it 5th your retarted to touch a joint 6 if you cant drive drunk or high, why should climbing be any differant pot & alcohal+climbing= dead climber/climbers
Boy, I'd hate to be retarted!
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In reply to: Whoa, dude... Explore the expanding mind trip of English grammar and spell check. But beware - it might be a gateway to effective writing composition and other more serious anomalies.
:lol:
You win the Creative Smackdown of the Day Award! :D
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I used to climb with this complete bozo (but I needed a belayer!) who thought he was SO subtle. Just as we approached our route he would grimace about having to take a dump, and then go off and blaze up prior to climbing. Bottom line, I never fell on him so I can't rate his ability to handle, umm, a gri gri (which I believe even a dedicated junkie could operate). The notable thing about his marijuana use was that he seemed awfully patient and easily self-entertained, which is a good quality in a belay tron. Still, I typically used little aid backups when I wanted to be sure I lived (if I fell), and I dumb-climbed to be certain not to fatally compress his reaction time envelope. Only a pothead will tell you that he's sharper when stoned. Yeah, right, like you can judge these things when altered. Nevertheless, the inherently simple-minded nature of a pot smoker makes for a great rope holder. As for his climbing ability, he tended to be amazed by lichen patterns on route, but honestly this is a rather endearing side-effect.
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just do what you want and don't bash others for what they do.
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I just found this thread because I've been out smoking dope and putting up routes. After meandering through the dead horses I came away with a few laughs and a few thoughts.
Sometimes I joke about being a drug addict with a climbing problem (Even if you have money, climbing can still pose a problem). For me climbing is also a creative outlet where I think out how I want others to be able to enjoy the setting. Many times this is pondered while the smoke wafts. I also have often toked after a demanding pitch, less often before.
It surprises me that nobody has pointed to the original relationship between climbing and hemp or is everyone that young?
If it were up to me, after laboring harder for the benefit of others, I would prefer if bigga, iclimblilrocks and snowrocker would climb the routes of others.
As for other PMs:
timmah- Enjoyed your reminding us what www means. If you're up this way I'll show you some good climbs. 'Til then toss another dwarf on the barbie for me.
rcarat- Love the sign.
jipstyle- Actually after having one tart sometimes its fun to have another...
D(rilled)Angle, aka Ron Olevsky
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I find it amusing that this topic gets so much attention. Sports are what got me into smoking. We used to take the "sacrament" before our runs in cross-country track. It didn't make me run any faster, but I enjoyed something I love a little more. I usually don't smoke at the crags out of respect for parents that shouldn't have to explain to their kids what that funny smell is. That is not to say that I never smoke while climbing on private land. I basically try to respect others. If my partner is sober, so am I.
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It helps me focus and mostly release pre-climb jitters, but only in moderation. If you're baked out of your gourd you won't feel like climbing and you will get stupid! All slow to process and react. You better know what your doing with both how much you're smoking and with the rock your on! All little bit can help a lot though. Anyway, I can see why people are bored with the topic. The people who smoke are gonna say yeah, great it's fine and the people that don't are gonna say hell no it isn't safe. Not much room vor variety in conversation. It's fairly black and white. It's up to your personal taste and mostly up to good old acceptable risk. It can be safe and it can be dangerous depending on what kind of climber and what kind of head you are...
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Hahahahhahaaa - even Jen Capriati was caught years ago for smokn' a doobie HAHAHHAHAHA - the tennis players are not safe from the call of their 'heads.'
In reply to: Well, maybe you should stick to tennis or something--whatever wimps do? I dont know---you tell us.
That said, I don't smoke...(and no, I didn't say I've never smoked).... I found I ate a lot... Instead of a small kitty, if I kept it up I'd probably be a lil chunky kitty HAHHAHAHAHHAAAA (I am a foodie).
With regard to DEA - LOL no, they don't care if you smoke - their after the big boys - and the big stuff that they do confinscate is held w/in a huge vault as evidence...after trials, the DEA 'supposedly' places the evidence in insinerators...however, we all know very well some of that shit 'somehow' makes it back onto the streets, etc. If DEA wanted to crackdown (seriously) on the 'war on drugs' it has the necessary means/resources/budget; however, if all the drug lords are wiped, what then?! It's a HUGE money maker and everyone knows it. Money, in turn is power.... and if one things for a moment that this 'war' is going to end, they are sadly mistaken.
Even the poorest of the poor will jump aboard and become human transporters, because the money they get will go to their families and in turn continue the 'life-cycle' for the drug trade. Whichl, you pay the transporters, make them happy or scapegoats, make the drug seers happy as they are powerful and rich, and think about all of the people they employ....does one really think that destorying a lucrative business in a poor society is somehow going to bring betterment among its town/village or whatever?
And since I am rambling on incessantly (well, I know my facts are pretty straight).... I think it's pretty damn funny that the commercials about those who try pot will somehow end up sticking a needle in themselves. The drugs, as most will note are differentiated into different classes - we have our stimulants, depressants, designer drugs, natural drugs and the like. I guess my point is, I don't see how one drug such as pot leads to droppn' an 8-ball or something.
I recently read an article that stated more people are getting into car accidents due not to cell phones, but eating while driving. Think about it, lol more accidents occuring because some person is too busy stuffn' a big mac down his/her throats?
Or how about the habitual pill poppers? In many studies, it was/is found that there is much drug abuse amongst nurses. So, the person writing your prescription or whatever, may in fact, be completely f'd up...but somehow maintains focus on their jobs...
Okay, I am done LOL
If you want to, then do so, responsibly - it is possible. If you don't, then don't. Don't judge unless you are ready to face judgement.
xooxox warmest of purrrrssssss
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In reply to: And since I am rambling on incessantly (well, I know my facts are pretty straight)....
Just an outsiders observation here - but rambling on incessantly has proven (well I know my facts are pretty straight) to be a common side affect of smoking pot - would someone please pass the Doritos.
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Hahhahahaa - no, lol I do that sober too.
Ah, but I do recall years (think over 10 years ago) doritos and cream cheese....mmmmm
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In reply to: Hahhahahaa - no, lol I do that sober too. Ah, but I do recall years (think over 10 years ago) doritos and cream cheese....mmmmm
Cream cheese! Certainly you partied in a much higher circle than I used to. Plus applying cream cheese to a Dorito would take entirely too much time especially since the Dorito had already navigated it way into my hand.
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In reply to: In reply to: Hahhahahaa - no, lol I do that sober too. Ah, but I do recall years (think over 10 years ago) doritos and cream cheese....mmmmm Cream cheese! Certainly you partied in a much higher circle than I used to. Plus applying cream cheese to a Dorito would take entirely too much time especially since the Dorito had already navigated it way into my hand.
Efficiency is as important in the world of Munchies as it is in alpine climbing. Here's a Tech Tip for you bro...
It is WAY INEFFICIENT to spread your cream cheese on a dorito, only to eat the combined mass. That is not the WAY. No.
Here's whatchya do.
Ya takes that Dorito and ya puts in your mouth. Then take a butter knife, or a piton, or your finger, and ya takes a swipe of cream cheese and ya sticks it in your mouth. Close your lips around the thing with the cheese on it and lick it off as you pull it out. Strive to have a clean butter knife when you withdraw it (this is KEY, Brough!).
Now, chew. You will note that doritos thusly creamed will taste the same as those blanketed with the white stuff prior to mouthal insertion. Less mess however.
Now here is the True Tech Tip... some of your mates may cry foul about double dipping. I mean, that knife or finger or other protrusion was just in your mouth, now its back in the cream cheese for MORE? Potential YUK!
Offset that YUK with a perfectly clean knife. No one is likely to notice you are sharing more than just your opinion when you double dip that cream cheese! And if they do notice you can claim the 'clean knife' exemption.
Yer welcome ya double dipping homie!
DMT
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I really dont care what anyone does on their own time, and like someone said before, if you're soloing, by all means go for it. i would just hope that if your not soloing, youre informing the rest of your group so they can decide if they want to continue to cliimb with someone whos messed up
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johnson6102002
Sep 20, 2004, 7:52 PM
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this can be a very fun activitie in mho opinion only if u trust ur belayer a real lot and i only do it on top rope. i feeel that i climb better that way bc i go for anything and can stick lines better than i could regular and i go bigger all the time that way. well o do as u wish not as everyone else in this forum tells u too and have fun its a experiance thats for sure
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bad_lil_kitty
Sep 20, 2004, 7:56 PM
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LOL - or fresh sliced proscuitto mmmmmmmmmmmm - great now I am hungry!
In reply to: In reply to: Cream cheese! Certainly you partied in a much higher circle than I used to. Plus applying cream cheese to a Dorito would take entirely too much time especially since the Dorito had already navigated it way into my hand. Efficiency is as important in the world of Munchies as it is in alpine climbing. Here's a Tech Tip for you bro... It is WAY INEFFICIENT to spread your cream cheese on a dorito, only to eat the combined mass. That is not the WAY. No. Here's whatchya do. Ya takes that Dorito and ya puts in your mouth. Then take a butter knife, or a piton, or your finger, and ya takes a swipe of cream cheese and ya sticks it in your mouth. Close your lips around the thing with the cheese on it and lick it off as you pull it out. Strive to have a clean butter knife when you withdraw it (this is KEY, Brough!). Yer welcome ya double dipping homie! DMT
hjahhahaa - I just took a chip and then as though slicing through butter, dipped my chip on the edge of the cream cheese bar LOL..... but, I think Dingus' method is one to try out as well :P
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dingus
Sep 20, 2004, 7:56 PM
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In reply to: i would just hope that if your not soloing, youre informing the rest of your group so they can decide if they want to continue to cliimb with someone whos messed up
Who do you think I am, Dingus BOGART?????!!!!!11111*****
DMT
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dingus
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In reply to: hjahhahaa - I just took a chip and then as though slicing through butter, dipped my chip on the edge of the cream cheese bar LOL..... but, I think Dingus' method is one to try out as well :P
That's like so 3rd grade you bad little kitty! What happens when that lowly dorito breaks? Your finger takes a slide through the cream cheese or a part of the chip is buried in there like a soggy wet blanket. That is a Dorito Ground Fall as far as I'm concerned.
NO!
If you're already using your finger, no harm, no foul. But this is doritos and cream cheese! I can hardly imagine you using your finger to that? No, doritos are a step up from fingr dipping, purposely or otherwise.
This technique really shines with those little Kraft cracker and cheese thingies... with the little red plastic plank? Pop the cracker in, shovel in some cheese behind it. No more broken crackers and cheese smeared all over your fingers.
I'm tellin ya! It's Gospel.
DMT
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jimlas
Sep 20, 2004, 8:06 PM
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Whos that? Im not trying to offend anyone, I am just voicing my own opinon. i personally have encountered way too many accidents and injuries involving some form of drug...including pot...for me to trust anyone whos messed up, whether it be rock climbing or driving in a car with them, or anything to that matter
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bad_lil_kitty
Sep 20, 2004, 8:10 PM
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LOL HAHHAHAAA - that's when you take another dorito and save the lil fella and scoop him up!
(Now you have me remembring my childhood - my dad used to get the McDonald's cookies, the ones w/ a character on them. He'd allow me to dip them in his coffee...but did I do that? NOooooo, I would dance Mayor McCheese on the rim of the coffee cup and, *Oppss* he'd fall in... and at the last swig of coffee, my dad was met w/ cookie sludge)
LOL and yes, the Kraft Crackers N'Cheese...nah, I like to delicately take the cheese and smooth it out upon the buttery light crispy cracker ;)
In reply to: In reply to: hjahhahaa - I just took a chip and then as though slicing through butter, dipped my chip on the edge of the cream cheese bar LOL..... but, I think Dingus' method is one to try out as well :P That's like so 3rd grade you bad little kitty! What happens when that lowly dorito breaks? Your finger takes a slide through the cream cheese or a part of the chip is buried in there like a soggy wet blanket. That is a Dorito Ground Fall as far as I'm concerned. NO! If you're already using your finger, no harm, no foul. But this is doritos and cream cheese! I can hardly imagine you using your finger to that? No, doritos are a step up from fingr dipping, purposely or otherwise. This technique really shines with those little Kraft cracker and cheese thingies... with the little red plastic plank? Pop the cracker in, shovel in some cheese behind it. No more broken crackers and cheese smeared all over your fingers. I'm tellin ya! It's Gospel. DMT |
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chouca
Sep 20, 2004, 9:00 PM
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I gave up pot as soon as I started climbing; the two activities seemed opposed. But many of the Stonemasters during 70's were hittin' the bong quite hard while pushing the limits of every type of climbing. Plenty of the young upper 5.14/V13 crowd enjoys a smoke as well, and it's not visibly slowing them down at all.
I still feel like pot is going to hinder your potential in most aspects of life. But to each their own. The more people that get there edge worn down by weed, the easier it is for ambitous non-tokers to get ahead.
Marc B.
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cloudbreak
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In reply to: The more people that get there edge worn down by weed, the easier it is for ambitous non-tokers to get ahead.
....just keep telling yourself that.
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jeep4evr
May 3, 2005, 12:54 AM
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In honor of this month's Alpinist Magazine issue X referencing this forum thread in its Puff the Magic Climber article, I thought I'd bring it back and see how many more pages we can get.
As for my 2 cents, just swap the reefer for some nice dried mushrooms. I for one wouldn't be able to get 1 inch off the ground before I were too preoccupied with the rock face oozing into the deck. No one gets hurt, problem solved, and the psychedelic craving is once again fixed. :twisted:
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avalon420
May 3, 2005, 1:17 AM
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Ah yes, Dingus, what great tips u had for all the amatures and noobs.
Smoke pot,
Check your knot
Climb hot.
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bvb
May 3, 2005, 1:25 AM
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team blimp's motto:
Bong Loads Improve My Performance.
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lidosis
May 3, 2005, 1:31 AM
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Alpinist X I got to see that copy, this debate is lame, every one already has sides, pretty much the same line that are drawn for doing it in general but oh well.
Do what you do, and be pissed at those who think what you do is wrong.
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gamehendge
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:deadhorse:
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coldclimb
May 3, 2005, 1:43 AM
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In reply to: The first response to this thread was... In reply to: lol, here it goes... I predict at least 8 pages. ;) 8 pages here we come!
SCORE!!!
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rossgoddard
May 3, 2005, 2:37 AM
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recreational smoking and cragging aint no biggie.
8 pages???
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saltamonte
May 3, 2005, 2:48 AM
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In reply to: lol, here it goes... I predict at least 8 pages. ;) Do a forum search....
In reply to: If you haven't ever smoked, I don't really want to hear your opinion, and if you haven't ever smoked and climbed I'm only slightly interested in your opinion. I am just wondering about other peoples experiences. -Barry
by the way that was an interesting way to intro your opinion poll you basically said " i am interested in your opinion only if your actions reflect that your opinioin is the same as mine
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sick_climba
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In reply to: lol, here it goes... I predict at least 8 pages. Do a forum search.... |
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jeep4evr
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In reply to: by the way that was an interesting way to intro your opinion poll you basically said " i am interested in your opinion only if your actions reflect that your opinioin is the same as mine |
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