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pinktricam
Mar 19, 2006, 12:32 AM
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2 more U.S. women die after taking abortion pill
In reply to: Two more American women have died after taking the abortion pill popularly known as RU-486, bringing to seven the number of fatalities attributed to the controversial drug since it was approved by federal regulators five years ago.
Two women AND (at least) 2 babies.
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Mar 19, 2006, 1:44 AM
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Seven deaths out of an estimated 560,000 patients in the US - that's a rate of 0.00125%. No cases reported in Europe.
That's a stunningly good safety record. Sounds to me like the deaths are the result of a combination of an improper method and poor hygiene.
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jakedatc
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more people died from heart attacks trying to control arthritis with Vioxx than the abortion pill.
In reply to: It appears that the number of deaths caused by Vioxx will be revised upwards to between 89,000 to 139,000 (the data is for the United States alone)
I'm glad they are catching this early and will hopefully fix whatever is going wrong with the drug and then return it as a safe product. it's very sad it did not work as planned for those 7 women.
/me cranks the bass on PTC's bible thumping hmm. has a nice beat but gets old quick
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pinktricam
Mar 19, 2006, 2:04 AM
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In reply to: Seven deaths out of an estimated 560,000 patients in the US - that's a rate of 0.00125%. No cases reported in Europe. That's a stunningly good safety record. Sounds to me like the deaths are the result of a combination of an improper method and poor hygiene.
yes, stunningly safe...unless of course you're in one of those wombs.
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gav
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Are you for real? It's no wonder people are deserting the church. You are going to have to lean to the left eventually or it's gonna get awful lonely in your "flock".
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jakedatc
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dont worry gav.. PTC was sent here by the 15th century.. he still thinks thunder is god pissed off and that the world drops off past the horizon.
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In reply to: Seven deaths out of an estimated 560,000 patients in the US - that's a rate of 0.00125%. No cases reported in Europe.
The risk of catching CJD (a.k.a. Mad Cow) from eating beef is far less, but that hasn't stopped it from being in the front page news.
Ditto Bird Flu.
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In reply to: 2 more U.S. women die after taking abortion pill In reply to: Two more American women have died after taking the abortion pill popularly known as RU-486, bringing to seven the number of fatalities attributed to the controversial drug since it was approved by federal regulators five years ago. Two women AND (at least) 2 babies.
They could have just used condoms....
....oh wait, the pope said that was wrong as wel....
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and how many suicides were there because women from religious families got pregnant before marriage and were too ashamed/afraid of both the abortion ad the prospect of having a baby that they took their own life (and the one of the baby)??
reno... even though its unlikely that youd catch CJD from eating beef once, the prions stay in your body and every time you eat meat from an infected cow, you add more to the total until you slowly go over that fine line.
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In reply to: In reply to: Two more American women have died after taking the abortion pill popularly known as RU-486, bringing to seven the number of fatalities attributed to the controversial drug since it was approved by federal regulators five years ago. Two women AND (at least) 2 babies.
Before you start bible thumping and pulling selective statements out of the article that support your anti-abortion viewpoint, maybe you should reread the article.
It clearly states that 4 of the 7 deaths have been attributed to infection and the cause of the last 2 deaths have yet to be determined. Further on in the article, it states that only the oral method is used in Europe where there have been NO similar cases of infection.
At any rate, the death rate from poor prenatal care, child birth and teenage pregnancies (just to mention a few) is considerably higher than what you're trying to imply here.
Also notice that they haven't released the dates when the deaths occurred. Seems to me that someone decided it would be a good time to release this info with the whole legalized abortion issue in the news.
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Hey, I want to grouse about fascism too! PTC, why are you miscontruing the report to fit your own biases? That is not cool :nono:
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In reply to: In reply to: Seven deaths out of an estimated 560,000 patients in the US - that's a rate of 0.00125%. No cases reported in Europe. The risk of catching CJD (a.k.a. Mad Cow) from eating beef is far less, but that hasn't stopped it from being in the front page news. Ditto Bird Flu.
Don't forget West Nile
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West Nile is our current Fear Inducing Disease. It is in the media around here despite the fact that there were one or two cases last year. It prompts people to avoid going outside (living the active, healthy lifestyle that reduces the chance of cardiovascular disease) or lather themselves in mosquito repellent.
Do you know why mosquitoes do not land on mosquito repellent? Because it is poisonous and they don't want to get it on them. :lol:
And now we return you to your regularly programmed fundamentalism.
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In reply to: In reply to: PTC, why are you miscontruing the report to fit your own biases? He's not. Everybody posting in this thread, reread his messages. He only said the drug was unsafe (it is) and that its relative safety is no help to those who died from it. Notice that he says nothing about religion, the bible or the church. That was all supplied by you. In fact, you are the ones misconstruing his posts, to fit your bias against him.
Hey, you don't have to be so dramtic about it. :drama: sheesh.
I'm saying that he is misconstruing the data because it implies , as you admit, that the pills have killed these women when in fact there could have been other causes that have killed them as another person here makes clear below.
In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Two more American women have died after taking the abortion pill popularly known as RU-486, bringing to seven the number of fatalities attributed to the controversial drug since it was approved by federal regulators five years ago. Two women AND (at least) 2 babies. Before you start bible thumping and pulling selective statements out of the article that support your anti-abortion viewpoint, maybe you should reread the article. It clearly states that 4 of the 7 deaths have been attributed to infection and the cause of the last 2 deaths have yet to be determined. Further on in the article, it states that only the oral method is used in Europe where there have been NO similar cases of infection. At any rate, the death rate from poor prenatal care, child birth and teenage pregnancies (just to mention a few) is considerably higher than what you're trying to imply here. Also notice that they haven't released the dates when the deaths occurred. Seems to me that someone decided it would be a good time to release this info with the whole legalized abortion issue in the news. |
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In reply to: In reply to: PTC, why are you miscontruing the report to fit your own biases? He's not. Everybody posting in this thread, reread his messages. He only said the drug was unsafe (it is) and that its relative safety is no help to those who died from it. Notice that he says nothing about religion, the bible or the church. That was all supplied by you. In fact, you are the ones misconstruing his posts, to fit your bias against him.
Your statement that the drug is unsafe only works if you have some ridiculously high threshhold for safety. Peanuts have killed a number of people even this year. Are peanuts unsafe?
If you run by your definition of safety, nothing exists in this world that is safe. The word is meaningless in your terms.
And people are sticking PTC for his religious position. Don't pretend that the debate isn't framed in religious terms for him. It is.
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In reply to: In reply to: Don't pretend that the debate isn't framed in religious terms for him. It is. Well, it clearly is for you. PTC on teh other hand said nothing about religion. That was all supplied by others accusing him of religious bias. I simply pointed out how hypocritical that was.
For me, it's pointedly not a religious matter. I don't have a god that tells me what stance I should take on political issues.
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pinktricam
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In reply to: And people are sticking PTC for his religious position. Don't pretend that the debate isn't framed in religious terms for him. It is.
There are no 'un-wanted' babies in this world. There is always someone somewhere that will be willing and able to take in and nurture that precious, voice-less life.
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the Christian Right thinks that abortion is the same as killing babies.
PTC is religious and part of this Christian Right.
PTC thinks that abortion is killing babies.
We can't look into PTC's brain and see his real motivations for his views but I think it is tied in with his religious fervor.
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In reply to: There are no 'un-wanted' babies in this world. There is always someone somewhere that will be willing and able to take in and nurture that precious, voice-less life.
If you truly believe there are no unwanted babies in this world, then you need to get out more. Take a stroll around the inner city ghettos to start with, where unwed mothers don't know or care where their kids are...just as long as the kids are out of their hair. Check into statistics for abandonment. Get a dose of reality dude!
In reply to: Your statement that the drug is unsafe only works if you have some ridiculously high threshhold for safety. Peanuts have killed a number of people even this year. Are peanuts unsafe? If you run by your definition of safety, nothing exists in this world that is safe. The word is meaningless in your terms.
This is so true! Nothing is a guarantee, shit happens, reality happens, people die. I think statistically RU486 is amazingly safe!
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