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micronut
Jan 19, 2003, 1:44 AM
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I'm a tree hugging, in touch with nature kinda guy (not a rainbow) and I say, if it's not a major branch, cut it.
I embrace the idea of "thoughtful tending" as apposed to staight preservationist ethic.
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no_limit
Jan 19, 2003, 1:44 AM
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Chop it
Nobody should care, and if they do its already been done, too late.
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mitchal
Jan 19, 2003, 1:49 AM
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HEY!!!!
DON"T CHOP IT!!!!
Tenderly prune it,,yeah,, and keep the rest of the branch out of harms way from future climbers.You are a good nature lover,A hot tree hugger should give you a hug.
Climb Happy(and unimpeded)
Mitch
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moeman
Jan 19, 2003, 1:50 AM
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Can you just bend it back with some string so its not in the way? If not, cut it. The tree will live.
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coldclimb
Jan 19, 2003, 5:12 AM
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At least it proves no one did it before you. I'd chop it in a heartbeat. In fact, if it were me, I'd have done it while climbing, without even posting here, and then I'd have laughed in the face of anyone who got mad at me for it.
It would be different if it were a whole tree, or a lot of big branches chopped close to the trunk, but one piece of one branch can go, and most likely no one will notice.
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rockjunkie
Jan 19, 2003, 7:19 AM
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i'm not sure you can hug a rainbow bu i think i get the point of what you're saying. yes i too am a so-called "tree-hugger". i would tie it out of the way but if it didn't work very well i would cut it as long as it's not a branch that matters.
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coclimber26
Jan 19, 2003, 9:18 PM
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chop the limb, it'll grow back...
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john1987
Jan 19, 2003, 10:16 PM
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How would you feel if someone chopped one of your arms off That's what it feels like to a tree when you chop branch off. I am the lorax and i speak for the trees. no im just kidding
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climbingpride
Jan 20, 2003, 2:44 AM
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I love bolts! I did a climb yesterday that originaly had only 2 bolts on it. AND IT WAS A 70' FACE!!!, It now has a total of nine on it. I love that person who added those 7 more bolts.
Kevin Christiansen
CEO of STBF
Save the bolt foundation:D
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beyond_gravity
Jan 20, 2003, 2:46 AM
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.......or you could just chop it.
Millions of trees are cut down everyday. It won't make a difference.
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boz84
Jan 20, 2003, 3:42 AM
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You gotta be KIDDING skibabeage!
its a BRANCH! Not global disasters!
Chop it. Dont even give it a second thought. There is no reason not to. Its a branch.
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karma274
Jan 20, 2003, 4:33 AM
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It would probably be ok to chop it, but that really depends on what land its on and the relationship with the landowner/manager or whatever. If you do cut it, be responsible and discrete and don't go overboard with what you hack off and you will probably be ok.
BTW, if you are a climber, you should probably have some nature lovin' tree huggin tendencies of your own.
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alpnclmbr1
Jan 20, 2003, 4:26 PM
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How is chopping a branch any different then chiseling a hold. Climb the problem in it's natural condition would be better.
One branch won't kill the world, but if you cut it back a little, the next person will decide it needs a little more pruning, then the next will decide the whole tree has to go.
I have seen it happen more than once.
this isn't about being a tree hugger, it is about being a good climber.
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boulderingmadman
Jan 20, 2003, 4:47 PM
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is it a pinkie size branch, or a friggin forearm?
it depends on the branch, the tree, the land, the area, the route, etcetcetc...
id say if its thinner in diameter than you thumb, cut it. but heres the conundrum...if its thinner than your thumb, how much can it really be in the way???
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durus
Jan 20, 2003, 5:40 PM
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It's not just a branch, it's a potential baby tree!
It could even potentially produce hundreds of baby trees, no THOUSANDS of baby trees!
Do you want the senseless slaughter of THOUSANDS of baby trees on your concience?
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jds100
Jan 20, 2003, 11:09 PM
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I don't know why, but I'm beginnin' to think that the original scenario is bogus, or hypothetical at best.
But, hey, into the fray: I think the main issue is whether or not the climber would have permission to cut the branch. Is the tree on public land, or private? Is climbing allowed by the owner or land manager? If there isn't pre-existing permission to cut the branch, then the climber should get permission before he/she does anything to the rock, the land, the trees, etc. etc.
"Ethics" comes into play in a big way, in the sense that climbers should conduct themselves in a way that is consistent with being responsible to other climbers and the interests of climbing access. If it's purely a question of making a decision as a climber, then tree-hugging, rainbow hugging, etc. need not even come into the discussion.
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Jan 20, 2003, 11:55 PM
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I agree with the tie it back then release it folks. I would say "chop chop", but it is a delicate little tree, not a bolt next to a crack. Just try to tie it back first, then if that isn't possible, prune it (90 degree cut 1/2 inch away from another limb) responsibly and "send dude" (gosh, I love this new lingo).
SENDingly yours,
Cali Dirtbag
CEO of the Slash and Burn Access Fund
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bandycoot
Jan 21, 2003, 12:11 AM
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tie and release...sorta like catch and release with animals
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stevematthys
Jan 21, 2003, 12:19 AM
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instead on bolting wars we have made a tree hugger war
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tradpuppy
Jan 21, 2003, 12:28 AM
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Mr. no_limit, I hope you don't have that attitude when you visit Boatrock or Rocktown. If one of us sees you, you'll hear more than just "too late".
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drector
Jan 21, 2003, 12:35 AM
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"Catch and Release" is fish harassment. "Tie and Release" is tree harassment.
I don't condone wasting paper, trees, petrol, or any other gift of nature. But since the ... extreme environmentalist(s)seem to think it is about attitude, ask them what they drove to work or what electricity is powering their computer then cut it (the brnach). As long as you are asking about it, it sounds like you have the right attitude.
As soon as we take the "we cut millions of trees a day so cuting that one branch is bad" approach, our lives will be at a standstill. It is a wonderful ideal but it won't work and we'll all die if taken to a absurd but natural conclusion.
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t you just find someone somewhere who is trimming their tree and ask them to cut one less branch? You'd be even then.
Oh, and if it is an area with environmental problems, endangered species, etc... then don't cut it. And if a land manager will close the area because of it then don't cut it.
Dave
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holdplease2
Jan 21, 2003, 1:08 AM
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You call yourself a CLIMBER? WTF!
My god...you are obviously not an ALL-ROUND climber, you are ONLY a ROCK CLIMBER
With NO CONSIDERATION for our CLIMBING BROTHERS the TREE CLIMBERS>
You are probably DESTROYING some TREE CLIMBERS 5.8 making it a 5.12 or something.
My advice-check the tree for chalk or hook marks, very important to MAINTAINING SOLIDARITY OF THE CLIMBING COMMUNITY!!!!
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one900johnnyk
Jan 21, 2003, 1:16 AM
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there is no reason to say not to chop it. i do that to the trees in my yard to make them healthier.... pruning is good you will not kill the tree just cut it at the right time of year and you're money. happy chopping (may i recommend a stihl 18" chainsaw
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twrock
Jan 21, 2003, 9:06 AM
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(Hmm..., I haven't stepped in a pile of "controversy" for a while; why not?)
A scrappy little crag I climb at periodically has this really nasty saw-blade type plant that likes to grow very fast everywhere it can (I mean seriously sharp spikes lining both sides of every long, stiff leaf). Its roots travel underground, and it especially likes to spring up when they hit the base of the cliffs. So required gear at this crag is some type of machete to clear the little "babies" out of the way before they get so big you can't find the wall anymore. Falling on one of those might not kill you, but you'd wish you were dead.
So I'm asking myself after reading some of the responses here, should we just let the saw plants take over and keep looking for cliffs who's environs are completely free of any form of plant life? If we did that on our semi-tropical island, we'd pretty much eliminate 90% of the climbing locations in the country.
It's a jungle out there, and the only reason it isn't a jungle "in here" is because someone long before me took a machete to some of it.
I really do like trees and plants and almost all things "natural" (much of why I don't like gym climbing), but somewhere there is a balance to be maintained.
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one900johnnyk
Jan 21, 2003, 1:37 PM
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cutting them back is not wrong... in fact, it makes them grow much better, a fact to which anyone who has any experience growing cannabis can attest
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