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climbsomething
Feb 27, 2008, 3:31 AM
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no_email_entered wrote: marry me!
*snicker
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guangzhou
Feb 27, 2008, 4:14 AM
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climbsomething wrote: Truth is, the OPs stuff isn't that bad. We have become spoiled on carefully composed shots that follow a very rigid aesthetic; see the anti-Carter threads here to see how this is coming back around. That doesn't mean much of the climbing (and climbing lifestyle) stuff is good just to be contrarian. It's quite average. But I see a photographer who is probably pretty skilled in general, and simply not well-practiced in climbing photography-- especially for such a discerning audience. I like the Flash, and the landscapes are nice. And actually, the site seems more like a slick personal site than a "hey folks, buy my stuff, embrace my brand" site. Am I right? Wrong?
Now you are helping. Sounds like you are saying the same thing I did in my post. His photogrpahs need a little work.
Overall, i think the images look a bit flat and that is why I recomended a levels adjustment. Adding the 3% Saturation will also bring out some of the colors after adjusting the level.
Where I disagree with you is that this is site was designed for personal use. if it for personal use, why have an about me section?
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esqueleto
Feb 27, 2008, 11:20 PM
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the eventual goal of the website is to take the images and subjects that I am good at and find a way to turn that into cash.
i realize that the climbing action shots are lacking and that my strongest subject are the landscapes and that is mostly because of shooting experience and what is easiest for me.
what i see myself doing in the near future is shooting more enviromental portraits, and start adding products to my landscapes. thats where i see my interests going because for me its more enjoyable to actually climb routes instead of climb and shoot routes.
in two weeks i'll be in san antonio, tx and be forced to shoot different subjects which will be fun. so only time will tell what actually pays my bills.
to pico,
i started working on some newer images and used the sRGB profile when converting from RAW. all in all it worked a lot better than changing profiles from Adobe RGB to sRGB. the colors and tonalities all stayed the same when uploading to the web, so thanks for the tip.
by the way, how the hell do you make links clickable?
(This post was edited by esqueleto on Feb 27, 2008, 11:25 PM)
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guangzhou
Feb 28, 2008, 2:22 AM
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esqueleto wrote: the eventual goal of the website is to take the images and subjects that I am good at and find a way to turn that into cash. i realize that the climbing action shots are lacking and that my strongest subject are the landscapes and that is mostly because of shooting experience and what is easiest for me. what i see myself doing in the near future is shooting more enviromental portraits, and start adding products to my landscapes. thats where i see my interests going because for me its more enjoyable to actually climb routes instead of climb and shoot routes. in two weeks i'll be in san antonio, tx and be forced to shoot different subjects which will be fun. so only time will tell what actually pays my bills. to pico, i started working on some newer images and used the sRGB profile when converting from RAW. all in all it worked a lot better than changing profiles from Adobe RGB to sRGB. the colors and tonalities all stayed the same when uploading to the web, so thanks for the tip. by the way, how the hell do you make links clickable?
Esqueleto, sounds like you now what you want. I have to agree with you, from a business point of view, scenic is more marketable than Climbing and your scenic stuff is much better.
I was looking at your lifestyle stuff too and I like those images. Especially the girl in her dress drinking on the door steps. In all honesty, I think those are your strongest and best images, the lifestyle I mean.
If I were you, I would consider the lifestyle over the scenic stuff from a business point of view. People images sell better and have more potential revenue than scenic images. the market in the scenic world is also full of photographers and harder to break into.
People images can pay your bills and Nature/Climbing can be personal projects/
You may want to take a look at the micros for some of you stuff and you should also consider Alamy.
Yes stock agency take a commission, but they market images to such a broad audience, one you could never reach on your own.
Micro have been good to me financially. I sent a selection of images to Alamy in December and was accept by Mid December. I only have 40 or so images there now, but I already have made a sell, so no complaints.
To me, the pay off of having someone else do my marketing, negotiating, and keeping track of my licenses is worth the commission Alamy and Getty charge. Neither are hard to get into with the images you have.
Good luck and feel free to contact me if you have questions. I'm no pro, but I do alright with my photo income.
Cheers
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My referal linkto SS if you're interested.
http://submit.shutterstock.com/?ref=8929
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pico23
Feb 28, 2008, 7:19 AM
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In reply to: because for me its more enjoyable to actually climb routes instead of climb and shoot routes.
My problem exactly, it might be heresy to say "waste a day shooting climbing" but the truth is if I am at the crag it's a limited day that I could be climbing. Unless I'm getting paid for the climbing photography, or see myself wanting to pursue a career in it, I see no real advantage to killing a day.
Climbing is for the most part the only activity that requires me to give the day up for photography. For instance, I can go mountain biking and get some great shots or paddling or hiking or even general mountaineering, but going rock and ice climbing usually means you end up with butt shots, or the camera is just such a pain you ignore it.
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guangzhou
Feb 28, 2008, 9:10 AM
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pico23 wrote: In reply to: because for me its more enjoyable to actually climb routes instead of climb and shoot routes. My problem exactly, it might be heresy to say "waste a day shooting climbing" but the truth is if I am at the crag it's a limited day that I could be climbing. Unless I'm getting paid for the climbing photography, or see myself wanting to pursue a career in it, I see no real advantage to killing a day. Climbing is for the most part the only activity that requires me to give the day up for photography. For instance, I can go mountain biking and get some great shots or paddling or hiking or even general mountaineering, but going rock and ice climbing usually means you end up with butt shots, or the camera is just such a pain you ignore it.
I agree with both of you on this. I rather climb too. Like PIcos, if I need the photos because I have a commitment for them, then I take aprecious day of climbing off.
I get more climbing shots during the summer. I have eight weeks off and I use my rest days to shoot climbing.
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