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guangzhou
Mar 29, 2006, 7:30 AM
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No Ipod, I made a woping $0.09 cents from the photographer I refered on this site. That guy made .60 and he's only been registered a day.
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melekzek
Mar 29, 2006, 7:52 AM
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In reply to: If you refer other content submitters to Shutterstock pursuant to Shutterstock's referral program, you will be paid 3 cents for each 20 cents in royalties your referred content submitter is paid by Shutterstock.
exactly....
thats %15, and it is typical to other pyramid schemes.
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guangzhou
Mar 29, 2006, 8:01 AM
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YOUR POINT???
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tradmanclimbs
Mar 30, 2006, 5:11 AM
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I was talking to Peter Miller at the worlds fair last september. He was bumming!! he used to make $80.000 a year with stock photography in addition to his coffe table books. Now the stock agencys that he deals with no longer accept slides ( I told you guys last year that this would happen and I got flamed for it!) so he was forced to buy a D2x and learn how to shoot raw. His agency only accepts 12mp and greater files shot in raw. additionaly they pay much less than they used to because of competition from companys like the one you guys are discussing. the cameras cost 3 or 4 times what a film camera used to cost and we get paid less for the work. How is that an improvement??? Anyone with a digital camera, a computer and a website can call themselfs a pro these days. It is the WALL MART effect!! I go to a horse show with staff and huge payroll to meet and i cover the entire show provideing a professional product for the compettiors but there is a retired dad there with a 20d handing out cards for his webste selling photos for 3 bucks a piece!!! if I have 2 shooters besides myself and a booth running my payroll is $600.00 a day. thats 1200 clams for a 2 day show on top of travel and lodgeing expenses. The retired dad is tickeled pink if he groses $300 for the weekend and thinks he is a professional photographer. meanwhile my shots and those of my staff are 100 times better than his but many people are pissed at me because my prices are 5 times higher than his and we get hosed. people don't want quality anymore they just want cheap!!!! Go ahead and sell your damn pictures for .20 cents a pop! Fck it :? Edit Ok it was late last night when i posted this. Drop the sarcasem and I pretty much have to stick with the rest of it. As long as there are wall marts out there it becomes increasingly harder to be High quality high priced store. especialy if the wall mart product approaches the quality or the upper end store. the facts are that our equiptment costs more and we get paid less and there is not much that we can do about it! Edit
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deepplaymedia
Mar 30, 2006, 10:08 PM
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just for the record, personally i think digital is actually far cheaper if you're gonna shoot a lot of pics (i shoot about 4-5 rolls a week on average, velvia over here is $24 a roll, plus processing $9, plus slide mounts, plus the time it takes me to edit, cut, mount, label, file & scan them...you do the maths)
but the real meat of your post i totally agree with... i recetnyl shot an adventure race on spec and the race had staff photographers as well. my shots were WAY better than the staffies for the section of the race that I shot, and the organisers who i was negotiating sales with indicated this, however the staffies were handing over copyright to all images for a flat $180 day rate, making it virtually impossible. they ended up offering $200 for 12 months unlimited use of 3 images (needless to say i let that sale go!!!)
between these wallmart shooters (and pros who undercut) and the cheap/free stock galleries, the industry is becoming a commodity rather than an artistry, and it sucks big time!!
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guangzhou
Mar 30, 2006, 11:24 PM
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To clarify, I don't sell my photos or their copyrights, I rent them. They are limits to what the users can do.
Stuff that sells on Micros are not specific stocks, they are generic photos. Like I mentioned, one of the photos that downloaded regularly from my portfolio is a paperclip.
The good stuff, like the adventure race I will be shooting this weekend is marketed much differently.
Directly after the event, I will write up a quick and straight forward article/dictatorial piece and submit it to magazines that might be interested, and maybe some local papers. These pieces will have some photos submitted too. Easier to sell photos with an article.
First I choose some of the great shots, convert the RAW to tiff and burn a CD. CD's then get sent to various magazines that may want the shots. Those net me between 75.00 to 800.00 each for one time use.
I will then look for shot that could represent a company/line and burn some of those photos to send to be used in catalogue/advertising. Much tougher market for me, but I occasionally make sales there.
Once I hear, or don't hear, from the magazine and companies, I than take those same good shots and normally add a few "OK" shots that I think will sale and add them to my traditional stock portfolio. These sales for 100 to 500.00 for one time use. I get 65% of the sale. A reasonable rate when you consider the marketing that the agency does.
I then take all the generic shots, man tying his shoes, female filling out registration form, starting line shot, man running across the finish line tape, individual shoes and so on and load those to the micro stocks as generic stock. Those are shot that a few years ago I would have tossed out as un marketable.
As someone who wants to be a full time photographer/writer, I need to find the best way to make money for my time. That means using various marketing methods and having different representation for different product.
A while back I ran a guide service. We specialized in rock climbing and teen trips. I was often criticized for doing "Free slide shows" at various stores. I also provide outdoor retail stores with free climbing clinics. My competitors were charging for those services, my fee was passing out my business card. Because of those shows, I pick up two federal contracts and a state contract. My competition made 1000.00 a clinic, I made sales and contacts.
The micros get my name out with photo buyers who often look for more of my work elsewhere. Different photos for different markets.
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christian_knight
Apr 4, 2006, 12:07 AM
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I need a photo of Pete's Pile on Mount Hood in Oregon.
Does anybody have one.
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