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smokecrack
Dec 8, 2010, 6:18 AM
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airscape wrote: smokecrack wrote: you guys are all retarded. I started this thread for nutritional advice, not for you to argue about vegan diets and health stats. and it's funny you called me the troll when I started this thread just asking a serious question.  Chillax dude. Just eat fucking less. That is all.
not good advice. someone already said I was eating too little.
I think it's more about WHAT I'm eating.
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airscape
Dec 8, 2010, 6:44 AM
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smokecrack wrote: airscape wrote: smokecrack wrote: you guys are all retarded. I started this thread for nutritional advice, not for you to argue about vegan diets and health stats. and it's funny you called me the troll when I started this thread just asking a serious question. Chillax dude. Just eat fucking less. That is all. not good advice. someone already said I was eating too little. I think it's more about WHAT I'm eating.
Oh yah I forget.
The book: Eric Horst Training for climbing, has a whole nutrition section that explains a lot about what a climbers needs are in terms of nutrition.
Also google Glycemic index.
Don't eat whey if you are not a body builder or some such.
There are more tasty wheys of consuming protein anywhey.
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degaine
Dec 8, 2010, 8:37 AM
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fresh wrote: I just wanted to point out that claiming to run a 4:50/mile 10K as part of a daily routine is
As others have, I understood that to mean a 4:50 / km which is about a 7:50 / mile, (or a 48 min 10k), which is decent for fitness training, but not very fast by anyone's 10k standards.
(If he clarified, I may have missed it).
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degaine
Dec 8, 2010, 8:44 AM
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jt512 wrote: because cooking food enhances digestibility. In reply to: it is also harder for our bodies to even digest cooked food. Wrong. It's easier. Take a look at what real research shows:
That's what I have always understood in the bit of reading that I have done on raw diets (whether it be consuming raw vegetables or raw meats), that cooking enhances digestibility, which in turn enhances our ability to take advantage of the nutrients provided in the given vegetable.
I also understood (and could be wrong) that the significant weight loss often associated with the raw vegan diet is the body burning a lot of calories to try to digest the raw food.
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degaine
Dec 8, 2010, 8:48 AM
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jerusry wrote: considering the fact I eat this way for health I have taken into account all the sides of the situation and would be more than willing to put any vital stats of mine up against anyones. If that would prove anything. I'm not the type that just eats a shitload of potatoes, bananas, and mangos.... I cover the whole specteum of nutrients that most people arguinf with me have never heard of... And anyone that thinks to preach about my diet being bad without knowing exactly what it is... Feel free to share you malnurishing diet. Guaruntee mine would be healthier and beyond anything anyone on here has for a diet. Even if I ate meat my diet would far outweigh all the debunkers out there... As far as your b12 theory... There are plenty of other sources.... I have many sources for my b12... And no I don't take vitamin supplements and all that shit... I'm talkin bout herbs, extracts, and rawmeal health food mixes and my red and green... Among mannnny thing. But as for one of the many natural sources... Have you ever heard of bee pollen and what it does for you? If b12 is so important in your argukent... I could pul up the full list of sources for you in my diet that have nothing to do with meat. it's not only for some of the b12 I intake (meaning not the only source) but it has alot more value in heal, enzymes, amino acids, energy, and many other things would do for you. Ever tried it? Do you actually eat extremely healthy or just act like a knowitall? Like I said poke n prod. You will not debunk me, prove yourself rite... But maybe you will learn a thing or 2? Or really looked into what specific things do for your body? I don't just eat raw veggies and fruit. I am not a dumbass... If you are soooo smart jay... Would would understand there are many sources for nutrients that have nothing to do with shit food, and meat. And for whoever posted that dairy is good for you.... You are a mainstream media sheep. And obviously know nothin of what dairy products are and what they really do to your body. And no, milk does not do a body good...
The raw vegan diet has clearly not helped to enhance your writing and communication skills.
In the raw vegan literature that you have read, has the use of paragraphs ever been discussed?
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YOUR DIET SUCKS! eat real food , non of that processed crap you get, stop the sugar soda chips noodles, eat whole grain WHOLE, veggies and protien lean fresh and in moderation. eat a complex carb rich and protien plentyful breakfast do not skip, eat small more rounded more frequent meals, i like beer keeep the beer, it wont help you get cut but it feels good and has some "medicinal" benifits. Your diet resembles a dorm room diet do you not have a kitchen? to burn fat specificly do cardio for 40 -120 min with a HR @ 90-115 or 30-40 above resting to specificly burn fat, lift weights a nd climb more. weights burn more calories and fat than cardio, cause it still burns tem while you rest. after climbing or working out have a high protien low sugar snack within a hour to get them max benifits.... try that, and stop smoking crack!
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smokecrack
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OCD wrote: YOUR DIET SUCKS! eat real food , non of that processed crap you get, stop the sugar soda chips noodles, eat whole grain WHOLE, veggies and protien lean fresh and in moderation. eat a complex carb rich and protien plentyful breakfast do not skip, eat small more rounded more frequent meals, i like beer keeep the beer, it wont help you get cut but it feels good and has some "medicinal" benifits. Your diet resembles a dorm room diet do you not have a kitchen? to burn fat specificly do cardio for 40 -120 min with a HR @ 90-115 or 30-40 above resting to specificly burn fat, lift weights a nd climb more. weights burn more calories and fat than cardio, cause it still burns tem while you rest. after climbing or working out have a high protien low sugar snack within a hour to get them max benifits.... try that, and stop smoking crack!
learn to read. you're late, I already am eating healthy now.
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degaine wrote: jerusry wrote: considering the fact I eat this way for health I have taken into account all the sides of the situation and would be more than willing to put any vital stats of mine up against anyones. If that would prove anything. I'm not the type that just eats a shitload of potatoes, bananas, and mangos.... I cover the whole specteum of nutrients that most people arguinf with me have never heard of... And anyone that thinks to preach about my diet being bad without knowing exactly what it is... Feel free to share you malnurishing diet. Guaruntee mine would be healthier and beyond anything anyone on here has for a diet. Even if I ate meat my diet would far outweigh all the debunkers out there... As far as your b12 theory... There are plenty of other sources.... I have many sources for my b12... And no I don't take vitamin supplements and all that shit... I'm talkin bout herbs, extracts, and rawmeal health food mixes and my red and green... Among mannnny thing. But as for one of the many natural sources... Have you ever heard of bee pollen and what it does for you? If b12 is so important in your argukent... I could pul up the full list of sources for you in my diet that have nothing to do with meat. it's not only for some of the b12 I intake (meaning not the only source) but it has alot more value in heal, enzymes, amino acids, energy, and many other things would do for you. Ever tried it? Do you actually eat extremely healthy or just act like a knowitall? Like I said poke n prod. You will not debunk me, prove yourself rite... But maybe you will learn a thing or 2? Or really looked into what specific things do for your body? I don't just eat raw veggies and fruit. I am not a dumbass... If you are soooo smart jay... Would would understand there are many sources for nutrients that have nothing to do with shit food, and meat. And for whoever posted that dairy is good for you.... You are a mainstream media sheep. And obviously know nothin of what dairy products are and what they really do to your body. And no, milk does not do a body good... The raw vegan diet has clearly not helped to enhance your writing and communication skills. In the raw vegan literature that you have read, has the use of paragraphs ever been discussed?
As I mentioned upthread, there is a relationship between the raw diet and extra periods.
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airscape
Dec 8, 2010, 12:39 PM
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Toast_in_the_Machine wrote: degaine wrote: jerusry wrote: considering the fact I eat this way for health I have taken into account all the sides of the situation and would be more than willing to put any vital stats of mine up against anyones. If that would prove anything. I'm not the type that just eats a shitload of potatoes, bananas, and mangos.... I cover the whole specteum of nutrients that most people arguinf with me have never heard of... And anyone that thinks to preach about my diet being bad without knowing exactly what it is... Feel free to share you malnurishing diet. Guaruntee mine would be healthier and beyond anything anyone on here has for a diet. Even if I ate meat my diet would far outweigh all the debunkers out there... As far as your b12 theory... There are plenty of other sources.... I have many sources for my b12... And no I don't take vitamin supplements and all that shit... I'm talkin bout herbs, extracts, and rawmeal health food mixes and my red and green... Among mannnny thing. But as for one of the many natural sources... Have you ever heard of bee pollen and what it does for you? If b12 is so important in your argukent... I could pul up the full list of sources for you in my diet that have nothing to do with meat. it's not only for some of the b12 I intake (meaning not the only source) but it has alot more value in heal, enzymes, amino acids, energy, and many other things would do for you. Ever tried it? Do you actually eat extremely healthy or just act like a knowitall? Like I said poke n prod. You will not debunk me, prove yourself rite... But maybe you will learn a thing or 2? Or really looked into what specific things do for your body? I don't just eat raw veggies and fruit. I am not a dumbass... If you are soooo smart jay... Would would understand there are many sources for nutrients that have nothing to do with shit food, and meat. And for whoever posted that dairy is good for you.... You are a mainstream media sheep. And obviously know nothin of what dairy products are and what they really do to your body. And no, milk does not do a body good... The raw vegan diet has clearly not helped to enhance your writing and communication skills. In the raw vegan literature that you have read, has the use of paragraphs ever been discussed? As I mentioned upthread, there is a relationship between the raw diet and extra periods.
Too many beets?
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Dec 8, 2010, 12:42 PM
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jt512 wrote: Are you aware that a "pure" vegan diet is completely devoid of vitamin B12, and from where, if anywhere, are you obtaining this vitamin? Jay
"Microorganisms, primarily bacteria, are the only known organisms that manufacture B12. These bacteria often live in bodies of water and soil. Animals get B12 by eating food and soil contaminated with these microorganisms." Read more here...
So B12 is created by microorganisms, and is (ideally) to be found in water and soil. It is also produced by bacteria in our intestines (Herbert V. Vitamin B12: Plant sources, requirements, and assay. Am J Clin Nutr 1988; 48: 852-858.). From PubMed: : "...the human small intestine also often harbours a considerable microflora and this is even more extensive in apparently healthy southern Indian subjects. We now show that at least two groups of organisms in the small bowel, Pseudomonas and Klebsiella sp., may synthesise significant amounts of the vitamin." B12 is also partially recycled in out bodies. Some people insists that in the ideal vegan world we could keep recycling the B12 we got from our mothers milk as babies, but almost everybody agree that we need a B12 intake - from an external source.
One very interesting article I've seen on B12 is this one: http://www.championtrees.org/topsoil/b12coblt.htm . Here's a quote from it:
"B12 is the only vitamin synthesized solely by certain microorganisms - many of which are abundant in soil. And the only vitamin containing a trace element: cobalt. B12 owes its chemical name 'cobalamin' to the cobalt at the center of its molecular structure. Humans and all vertebrates require cobalt, though it's assimilated only in the form of B12.
Cobalt is important in the plant world. Bacteria on root nodules of legumes (beans, alfalfa, clover) require cobalt (and other trace elements) to synthesize B12 and fix nitrogen from air. Soybeans grown without cobalt are severely retarded in growth and exhibit severe nitrogen deficiency, leading to death in about one of four plants. Adding only a few ounces of cobalt per acre can resolve deficiency symptoms in ten to 21 days.
Cobalt deficiency is far more dramatic in animals, particularly ruminants (cattle, deer, camels, and sheep) grazing on deficient pasture. These animals obtain all their B12 from their gut bacteria, but only if bacteria are provided cobalt salts from pasture. Legumes with less than 80 parts per billion (ppb) cobalt can't meet ruminant B12 needs. Under deficient conditions, calves and lambs thrive and grow normally for a few months as they draw on B12 reserves in liver and other tissue, but soon exhibit gradual loss of appetite and failure to grow, followed by anemia, rapid weight loss and finally death. Marginally deficient pastures cause birth of weak lambs and calves that don't survive long. These symptoms mirror B12 deficiency in human infants.
To prevent or alleviate cobalt-B12 deficiency, farmers routinely add cobalt to animal feeds or salt licks. Some fertilize pastures with cobalt-enriched fertilizers; others opt for periodic quick-fix B12 injections. With any of these measures, all symptoms are reversed and B12 in milk and colostrum dramatically increases.
The implication for humans subsisting on vegetarian diets are profound. B12 synthesis by indigenous bacteria is known to occur naturally in the human small intestine, primary site of B12 absorption. As long as gut bacteria have cobalt and certain other nutrients, they produce B12. In principle then, internal B12 synthesis could fulfill our needs without any B12 provided by diet.
But if cobalt in our diet is on the wane, perhaps the problem isn't so much lack of B12-synthesizing intestinal flora as lack of cobalt, the element with which bacteria weave their magic. The burning question then is: how cobalt deficient is our soil?"
Animals and plants require cobalt in order to synthesize / produce B12. (B12 is called cobalamin because of the cobalt atom in it's center). In reply to "where does the bacteria come from", one could maybe reply "from cobalt", but this isn't totally 100% correct. It comes from a combination of microorganisms and cobalt. B12 can sometimes be found on the surface of plants, and commercial B12 production is partly based on growing B12 on the surface of molasses. Animals need cobalt from the soil in order not to develop B12 deficiency, but where does cobalt come from?
Studies show that ie. spinach grown in maneured soil contains 17.8 mcg B12/kg (dry weight), but since spinach grown in unmaneured soil also contains B12 (6.9mcg), we can't really say that the B12 come from cow dung only.
Maybe soil and water always contains minute traces of humans, insects and animals? That might be, but it wouldn't worry me much: if drinking water from a mountain stream contain microscopic amounts of animal products, so be it. Nature is a giant recycle bin, and there's not much we can do about it. Microorganisms / bacteria is part of nature. B12 is not only to be found in water and soil, but also in grass, on dust and in bark!
To answer the question 'where does micro-organisms come from is a bit tricky - it's a little bit like 'If God created the Earth, who created God?"...
What we know, is that cobalt is the key to B12 synthesis, and cobalt isn't an animal, it doesn't have parents, no eyes, and for sure it doesn't try to run away when someone tries to eat it :-).
http://www.veganforum.com/...itamin-B12-come-from
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chadnsc wrote: Ok what are / is your current: HDL -cholesterol LDL - cholesterol A1C Liver Function Kidney Function Blood pressure Fasting blood sugar I await your response so we can compare results. 
Bah - apoB is the new LDL
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Actually APOB is simply an additional test that is used to more accurately screen for heart disease. It doesn't replace your LDL-C test.
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I'm partially guilty (never thought you were a troll), but I'll still give you a *high five* for that one.
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jerusry wrote: considering the fact I eat this way for health I have taken into account all the sides of the situation and would be more than willing to put any vital stats of mine up against anyones. If that would prove anything. I'm not the type that just eats a shitload of potatoes, bananas, and mangos.... I cover the whole specteum of nutrients that most people arguinf with me have never heard of... And anyone that thinks to preach about my diet being bad without knowing exactly what it is... Feel free to share you malnurishing diet. Guaruntee mine would be healthier and beyond anything anyone on here has for a diet. Even if I ate meat my diet would far outweigh all the debunkers out there... As far as your b12 theory... There are plenty of other sources.... I have many sources for my b12... And no I don't take vitamin supplements and all that shit... I'm talkin bout herbs, extracts, and rawmeal health food mixes and my red and green... Among mannnny thing. But as for one of the many natural sources... Have you ever heard of bee pollen and what it does for you? If b12 is so important in your argukent... I could pul up the full list of sources for you in my diet that have nothing to do with meat. it's not only for some of the b12 I intake (meaning not the only source) but it has alot more value in heal, enzymes, amino acids, energy, and many other things would do for you. Ever tried it? Do you actually eat extremely healthy or just act like a knowitall? Like I said poke n prod. You will not debunk me, prove yourself rite... But maybe you will learn a thing or 2? Or really looked into what specific things do for your body? I don't just eat raw veggies and fruit. I am not a dumbass... If you are soooo smart jay... Would would understand there are many sources for nutrients that have nothing to do with shit food, and meat. And for whoever posted that dairy is good for you.... You are a mainstream media sheep. And obviously know nothin of what dairy products are and what they really do to your body. And no, milk does not do a body good...
Please use paragraphs if you want anyone to actually read that ^^
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im still laughing about the mid-day redbull snack. thats just too good. 
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jerusry wrote: I have many sources for my b12... And no I don't take vitamin supplements and all that shit... I'm talkin bout herbs, extracts, and rawmeal health food mixes and my red and green... Among mannnny thing. But as for one of the many natural sources... Have you ever heard of bee pollen and what it does for you? If b12 is so important in your argukent... I could pul up the full list of sources for you in my diet that have nothing to do with meat...
As far as I am aware, no natural plant foods contain vitamin B12. You don't have to pull up the whole list of your B12 sources, but I'd be interesting in seeing one or two.
In reply to: You will not debunk me . . .
I know. You have The Truth.
In reply to: If you are soooo smart jay... Would would understand there are many sources for nutrients that have nothing to do with shit food, and meat.
I have a masters degree in nutritional epidemiology. An early research interest of mine was vegetarian nutrition, and I published a paper on it; so, yeah, I'm kinda' aware of that.
Jay
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smokecrack wrote: dbogardus wrote: im still laughing about the mid-day redbull snack. thats just too good. yes, that's the old me! 
+50% for eating late? You realize they also probably spat in your food...
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smokecrack
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naw that's my receipt from a cab. it was just a piece of paper I had laying around.
i cooked that myself... no spitting
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smokecrack wrote: dbogardus wrote: im still laughing about the mid-day redbull snack. thats just too good. yes, that's the old me!
How much cooking oil you got in that?
Jay
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jt512 wrote: How much cooking oil you got in that? Jay
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smokecrack wrote: dbogardus wrote: im still laughing about the mid-day redbull snack. thats just too good. yes, that's the old me! [image]http://imgur.com/ivyXu.jpg[/image]
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malcolm777b wrote: smokecrack wrote: dbogardus wrote: im still laughing about the mid-day redbull snack. thats just too good. yes, that's the old me! [image]http://imgur.com/ivyXu.jpg[/image] So, are you eating any carbohydrates, or are you following the diet that you posted?
A mix of both. I ate an organic honey oat bar right after the gym on the way home. then when I got home I made this meal.
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smokecrack wrote: jt512 wrote: How much cooking oil you got in that? Jay i used a tablespoon of virgin olive oil for everything. really don't even need it, but just didnt want it getting stuck to the pan
That's good that you're measuring it.
Jay
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kachoong wrote: smokecrack wrote: dbogardus wrote: im still laughing about the mid-day redbull snack. thats just too good. yes, that's the old me! +50% for eating late? You realize they also probably spat in your food...
LOL
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