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timd
Feb 4, 2005, 5:30 AM
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Ummm---I was just wondering what the hell happened to our spouting quitmonk? Is this not his thread? I actually think he's out buying more aliens
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robdotcalm
Feb 4, 2005, 5:46 AM
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«Let me get this straight: Stopping to place more frequent pro results in climbing faster. Now that's a novel conclusion.
GOTY '05.
-Jay »
That's right, Jay! you just gotta start thinking outside the box. At last, you got the idea
Excelsior,
robDotCalm
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robdotcalm
Feb 4, 2005, 5:49 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I tend to regard a 12 foot fall as a rather long fall. If you regard that as a short fall, make sure you have a good life insurance policy. cheers, rob.calm Not to derail this, but are you serious? You must be one of the most cautious of the cautious climbers Rob You're damn right! When the gear gets below my navel, I'm looking for the next piece to insert. rob.calm must be an aid climber.
No, I'm way too young to aid climb. When I can't pull anymore, I might take that up. But it seems so boring.
Upward safely,
robDotCalm
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styndall
Feb 4, 2005, 6:03 AM
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CCH Aliens are dangerous. I have pictorical proof.
While I was reading the section about orange Alien trouble, I got out my own orange to inspect the brazing. The phone rang, and I put the thing on the ground and jumped up, accidentally stepping on the trigger. The result, a horrible heel flapper.
http://www.arches.uga.edu/~geist9/IMG_0391.JPG
These Aliens are dangerous, and I recommend that everyone keep them off of your racks and especially away from your feet.
The company will be hearing about this; you can be sure of that.
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ryan_m
Feb 4, 2005, 6:09 AM
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All of you claiming that Aliens are poorly built and dangerous are full of it. I've fallen on a variety of Aliens, from blue to white, and every placement has held. If you don't want your Aliens, I'll gladly take them!
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robdotcalm
Feb 4, 2005, 6:13 AM
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«Let me get this straight: Stopping to place more frequent pro results in climbing faster. Now that's a novel conclusion.
GOTY '05.
-Jay »
That's right, Jay. You gotta think outside the box. Glad you finally got the idea.
rob.calm
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cracklover
Feb 4, 2005, 2:55 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: All of you claiming that Aliens are poorly built and dangerous are full of it. I've fallen on a variety of Aliens, from blue to white, and every placement has held. If you don't want your Aliens, I'll gladly take them! I'd like them too. I'll pay shipping. Seriously.
I'll pay twice the cost of shipping.
GO
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mccooljc
Feb 4, 2005, 3:24 PM
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In reply to: Welding is more of an art than a science
Maybe to some people ignorant of the science of welding, but as a welding engineer, I have to strongly disagree with your statement. Welding was an art back in the 40's and prior, but with the Russian work at the Paton Institute in the 60's and on, and with Dr. Savage's work in the 70's, welding has become a thoroughly researched science. With the advent of fracture mechanics, and scanning electron microscopy, the knowledge in failure analysis and metallurgy has increased dramatically. Send the cam to the manufacturer for a thorough failure analysis and possible product improvement. Sorry for the rant, but statements like that are a pet peeve of mine.
Jason McCool
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jt512
Feb 4, 2005, 5:52 PM
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In reply to: «Let me get this straight: Stopping to place more frequent pro results in climbing faster. Now that's a novel conclusion. GOTY '05. -Jay » That's right, Jay! you just gotta start thinking outside the box. At last, you got the idea Excelsior, robDotCalm
Just because you "quiver" and slow down when you're above your gear doesn't mean that I do. Nice try. Do you really want to get into this with me?
-Jay
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piton
Feb 4, 2005, 6:29 PM
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completely agree with mccool there's no art in knowing brazeing. plus there are fully automated systems that ensure proper braze joints. cch does not use these methods more suited for suited automotive co. ex Delphi, but I'm sure cch iswell aware of the different bond strengths between 45 silver and 56 silver
Jay5.2 must you always disagree with somone on every freakin post i'm right your wrong pity BS. warriors way i think that belongs on the gay thread sporto
yeah i got tons of endurance
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iclimbtoo
Feb 4, 2005, 6:35 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I tend to regard a 12 foot fall as a rather long fall. If you regard that as a short fall, make sure you have a good life insurance policy. cheers, rob.calm Not to derail this, but are you serious? You must be one of the most cautious of the cautious climbers Rob You're damn right! When the gear gets below my navel, I'm looking for the next piece to insert. rob.calm must be an aid climber. No, I'm way too young to aid climb. When I can't pull anymore, I might take that up. But it seems so boring. Upward safely, robDotCalm
"You're damn right! When the gear gets below my navel, I'm looking for the next piece to insert. " - dude, let us know when you get past 5.9. We're all rooting for you.
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jt512
Feb 4, 2005, 7:14 PM
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In reply to: Jay5.2 must you always disagree with somone on every freakin post i'm right your wrong pity BS. warriors way i think that belongs on the gay thread sporto
Hey, piton, are you trying to write something using the English language? As usual when you post, it is difficult to tell.
-Jay
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piton
Feb 4, 2005, 7:20 PM
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*useless information go to next post*
In reply to: In reply to: Jay5.2 must you always disagree with somone on every freakin post i'm right your wrong pity BS. warriors way i think that belongs on the gay thread sporto Hey, piton, are you trying to write something using the English language? As usual when you post, it is difficult to tell. -Jay
hey jay are you going to learn how to read or is that bald spot on the top of your head causing to much of a glare on your computer screen to actually see?? drop it already your wit is weak
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jt512
Feb 4, 2005, 7:34 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: Jay5.2 must you always disagree with somone on every freakin post i'm right your wrong pity BS. warriors way i think that belongs on the gay thread sporto Hey, piton, are you trying to write something using the English language? As usual when you post, it is difficult to tell. -Jay hey jay are you going to learn how to read or is that bald spot on the top of your head causing to much of a glear on your computer screen to actually see?? drop it already your wit is weak
"To much of a glear"? First of all, what's a "glear"?
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okieterry
Feb 4, 2005, 7:34 PM
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Although I trust and use Aliens, I would really like to know the truth behind the original post and I wish quietmonk would post up and come clean - one way or another.
If there is a problem with the alien, there could be more out there and the climbing public deserves to know. No one wants to hear about a fatality or injury that could have been prevented.
If the post is a troll and quietmonk lied about this, there should be repercussions. People should not be able to get away with lies that impact safety or public perception involving climbing equipment.
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piton
Feb 4, 2005, 7:41 PM
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*useless information go to next post*
i made the proper edits for you jt5.2 add something useful for once mr. warrior. your such a tool. go get laid w/out spending money :roll:
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crimpandgo
Feb 4, 2005, 7:46 PM
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In reply to: Although I trust and use Aliens, I would really like to know the truth behind the original post and I wish quietmonk would post up and come clean - one way or another. If there is a problem with the alien, there could be more out there and the climbing public deserves to know. No one wants to hear about a fatality or injury that could have been prevented. If the post is a troll and quietmonk lied about this, there should be repercussions. People should not be able to get away with lies that impact safety or public perception involving climbing equipment.
What are you going to do, put him/her in internet Jail? Last I check this is a free country and we have a right to free speech. The original poster has no obligation to prove anything to anyone. The OP presented a claim, it is up to the reader to determine what that claim means to them.
Personally I do not get all the huff. Gear regardless of brand is subject to catastrophic failure. testing to standards such as UIAA gives the consumer a degree of confidence in the equipment, but that is all. Using the gear is the climbers risk.
What should be debated is not one failure, but if there are failure trends that will reveal signs of unsafe designs or manufacturing processes. Unless a trend is evident, this failure falls into the "bone pile" so to speak.
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amber
Feb 4, 2005, 7:56 PM
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terry - nicely said. if only i could vote today ..
In reply to: What are you going to do..
since rc.com is all about conspiracies and such, maybe someone will leak his IP, then all alien-loving rc.comers can track down the dude and whop him upside the head with our beloved aliens.
otherwise, if this is a pattern, perhaps an IP ban would be better. seriously, there are a lot of people who use this site for informative reasons, and people who go out of their way to pollute that dont really deserve the privy to post on this here free site.
and there IS a difference between obvious sarcasm (placing pro every 3 ft is more efficient) and posting false accusations (*cough* - libel) about the performance of a well-known, well-loved piece of gear.
btw, can someone split off the bickering between jay and piton and rob.calm?
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jt512
Feb 4, 2005, 8:04 PM
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In reply to: i made the proper edits for you jt5.2 add something useful for once mr. warrior. your such a tool. go get laid w/out spending money :roll:
Hey, piton, thanks for correcting one of your writing errors. Now that you know how to spell a hard word like "glare," you can work on the differences between "to" and "too," and "your" and "you're." If you can get those right, we'll move on to the subtle distinctions between "there," "their," and "they're." I'm dreading the point that we'll have to confront punctuation.
-Jay
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cracklover
Feb 4, 2005, 8:08 PM
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In reply to: I'll trade you one of my rarely used BD micros for any Alien. Any takers? Ed
Another alternative: If you've got the right size Aliens, I'll take 'em off your hands in exchange for Metolius TCU or WC Zeros.
GO
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amber
Feb 4, 2005, 8:09 PM
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PS. To anyone who is alarmed by this thread and feels that they can no longer love their aliens, please dont abandon them in your closet - this would be a wretched life for a worthy piece of gear.
In my ongoing effort to support and uplift the climbing community, I will take these unloved and unwanted pieces of gear off your hands, at no cost to you, and provide them with a warm, loving home.
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shakylegs
Feb 4, 2005, 8:11 PM
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But it is a pattern. Someone comes along, and posts a damning thread as their first post (quietmonk is different in that this was his second post). It gets thrashed around a bit, a manufacturer is slagged, the rc.com crowd joins in the hen-pecking party, and the op walks away with the satisfaction of a job well done, never to appear again (and a company's reputation sullied).
We've seen it happen it gear heads on several occasions, where, it seems to me, this thread belongs, if not the archives.
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nthusiastj
Feb 4, 2005, 9:51 PM
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In reply to: Maybe by page 10 we'll actually see a picture of this ripped apart alien.
or not...
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dingus
Feb 4, 2005, 9:54 PM
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In reply to: But it is a pattern. Someone comes along, and posts a damning thread as their first post (quietmonk is different in that this was his second post). It gets thrashed around a bit, a manufacturer is slagged, the rc.com crowd joins in the hen-pecking party, and the op walks away with the satisfaction of a job well done, never to appear again (and a company's reputation sullied). We've seen it happen it gear heads on several occasions, where, it seems to me, this thread belongs, if not the archives.
I don't know dude, doesn't seem like many bought into this Alien hype at all.
DMT
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