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I do not mean to sound arrogant or mean but I am having trouble understanding what slacklining has anything to do with rockclimbing. Other than the fact that they require similar gear, why is there a forum for slacklining on a ROCKCLIMBING website.

Just curious and not at all bashing slacklining.


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I don't understand it either, but I figure it doesn't hurt anyone to have them on this website. So climb/slackline on!


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Whoa, hey, look at the bottom where the search turns up a thread EXACTLY LIKE THIS. :lol: Then go do a search and find the other two-dozen. Go read all of them.

I should lock this, but I won't. :lol:


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Slacklining works your core (and stabalizing) muscles while also teaching you how to balance and shift your body weight. It's probably not going to help you move up grades, but it does provide a nice alternative to other forms of "training".

Plus, it's fun to do between climbs :)


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I do not mean to sound arrogant or mean but I am having trouble understanding what slacklining has anything to do with rockclimbing. Other than the fact that they require similar gear, why is there a forum for slacklining on a ROCKCLIMBING website.

Just curious and not at all bashing slacklining.

Oh, and since I of course can't resist this delicious bait, I'll tell you. ;)

Sure there's the petty reasons like core strength, balance, and gear usage.

But most of all, slacklining is a climber's sport. It was invented by climbers, and because it's so young, it is practiced primarily by climbers worldwide. Check out any climbing area's campgrounds in the evening and you're likely to see a slackline up somewhere. Climber festivals generally have at least one line around. Rest days are often spent working the line. It is rare that you will ever find a non-climber who has heard of the sport.

And then of course there's the age-old question:

How did that line get up there???? 8^)

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=40094


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I do not mean to sound arrogant or mean but I am having trouble understanding what slacklining has anything to do with rockclimbing.

Same thing gym climbing does, good training, and they have their own forum too.


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Slacklining uses some of the same gear but I think it is a totally different activity from rock climbing.

Climbing the rock to get there doesn't factor into it. If you climbed to get to a golf course, no one would say that golfing was related to rock climbing. It just happens to be done by rock climbers quite a bit but so does s**ting and that's not related to rock climbing either(except for that hard aid stuf where it is required!)

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I do not mean to sound arrogant or mean but I am having trouble understanding what slacklining has anything to do with rockclimbing. Other than the fact that they require similar gear, why is there a forum for slacklining on a ROCKCLIMBING website.

Just curious and not at all bashing slacklining.

Oh, and since I of course can't resist this delicious bait, I'll tell you. ;)

Sure there's the petty reasons like core strength, balance, and gear usage.

But most of all, slacklining is a climber's sport. It was invented by climbers, and because it's so young, it is practiced primarily by climbers worldwide. Check out any climbing area's campgrounds in the evening and you're likely to see a slackline up somewhere. Climber festivals generally have at least one line around. Rest days are often spent working the line. It is rare that you will ever find a non-climber who has heard of the sport.

And then of course there's the age-old question:

How did that line get up there???? 8^)

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...p.cgi?Detailed=40094

If I am not mistaken that picture is of a highline stretching from Monkeyface at Smith, right? Who is the person in the picture, and did they eventually succeed in walking that? Much respect for anyone good enough to walk a line that long, and that high.


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If I am not mistaken that picture is of a highline stretching from Monkeyface at Smith, right? Who is the person in the picture, and did they eventually succeed in walking that? Much respect for anyone good enough to walk a line that long, and that high.

Yep, you're spot on. That's Chris Hill, aka theturtle and yes, he did eventually send (although I didn't). Got to help Shawn Snyder set a 120 footer while we were there. Crazy slackers, and an awesome time.

And yes, we did some climbing too. :lol:


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Slacklining uses some of the same gear but I think it is a totally different activity from rock climbing.

Climbing the rock to get there doesn't factor into it. If you climbed to get to a golf course, no one would say that golfing was related to rock climbing. It just happens to be done by rock climbers quite a bit but so does s**ting and that's not related to rock climbing either(except for that hard aid stuf where it is required!)

Dave

Here goes…

First of all, unlike Golf, the modern sport of slackline was invented and developed by climbers. As a natural extension of climbing and slackline, climbers began to highline.
Often, in the middle of a highline, I wish that it was as easy as climbing or taking a sh*t.

Anyway, this has all been said before, Duh!


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ever since my, daily routine was introduced to climbing,, as rock climbing has taking up more, and more of my life i have become to learn (at least)one thing that is crutial to climbing, and improvment of climbing... and that is FOCUS..

ITs all about focus,, and slacklinig is something that has no equal, nothing compairs to the level of commitment and focus factor that is required from walking a slackline...

when your eight feet above your last draw and pumped, the last thing you need for your physcy is doubt,,,,, or fear..


Highlining is the ultimate level of ,,,, commitment,, confidence,,,focus,,, having a clear(maybe even blank) physcy..

fear is paralyzing,,, you must be confident, and confidence is something slacklining,, at least in my view, is by far, the best thing to teach you that..


not to mention EVERY other aspect of salcklinig that is great for you mind body and soul


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I completely agree about the focus idea. My leading ability on slab has gone up 2 letter grades since I started slacking. I attribute it directly to the focus I have gain with slacking.


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I've found proper punctuation totally improves the focus of my writing, and clears the heads of me fellow readers, boosting sight-reading ability tenfold.


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........It was invented by climbers, and because it's so young,.........

Yes, it may very well have been "invented" by climbers, though I wouldn't bet my life savings on it, slacklining is far from young. It's been around for at least 30 years. I see its sudden rise in popularity as being similar to bouldering in the sense that today's practitioners generally believe it is an emerging activity and that they are doing something different and cutting edge. Both are great fun but are not new.

On the matter of improving your climbing ability I think ones time is better spent bouldering and climbing, indoors or out. You can always find someone who will claim slacklining, Twinkie eating, or even kite flying somehow boosted their climbing ability. I think taking up any 'training' regime can and will improve ones climbing because they become more focused and determined to improve.


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On the matter of improving your climbing ability I think ones time is better spent bouldering and climbing, indoors or out. You can always find someone who will claim slacklining, Twinkie eating, or even kite flying somehow boosted their climbing ability. I think taking up any 'training' regime can and will improve ones climbing because they become more focused and determined to improve

well, respectfully,,, i dont think i can agree with that less...


unlike twinkie eating, kite flying, ball throwing, or doing a push up,, they all come (fairly) natural... none of them even come close to breaking the mental barriers and defying what are bodies have accepted as 'natural', as slacklining does..

pushing limits,,, breaking limits,,, creating new limits,,,

its all something that twinkie eating and (ready for this) conservative training methods dont produce..

Go wild, get extreme,,, walk the line!!!


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But most of all, slacklining is a climber's sport. It was invented by climbers

It was invented by circus performers. It was renamed by climbers.

-Jay


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Slacklining is a lot of fun and while many climbers are slackliners and vice versa, slacklining itself doesn't have a whole lot to do with climbing and calling it training is pretty silly. I don't think most World Cup caliber climbers hit the slackline regularly for a workout.


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This will degenerate into another idiotic ''skiing has nothing to do with climbing'' thread shortly, if history is any indication. Likewise, camping and hiking have nothing to do with climbing. Belaying off of one's bumper is the One True Way, preferably at the base of a bolted crack.

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ever since my, daily routine was introduced to climbing,, as rock climbing has taking up more, and more of my life i have become to learn (at least)one thing that is crutial to climbing, and improvment of climbing... and that is FOCUS..

ITs all about focus,, and slacklinig is something that has no equal, nothing compairs to the level of commitment and focus factor that is required from walking a slackline...

when your eight feet above your last draw and pumped, the last thing you need for your physcy is doubt,,,,, or fear..


Highlining is the ultimate level of ,,,, commitment,, confidence,,,focus,,, having a clear(maybe even blank) physcy..

fear is paralyzing,,, you must be confident, and confidence is something slacklining,, at least in my view, is by far, the best thing to teach you that..


not to mention EVERY other aspect of salcklinig that is great for you mind body and soul

Good god man maybe spend some time working on spelling, grammar and punctuation.

wtf means physcy?


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wtf means physcy?

I hate to admit it, but I think I figured it out: psyche.

-Jay


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But most of all, slacklining is a climber's sport. It was invented by climbers

It was invented by circus performers. It was renamed by climbers.

-Jay

I can't quite agree with this. Tightrope or highwire has been around for some time and is often a circus act. Slackline is fairly modern.
Highwire requires strong focus and balance but that is somewhat passive often with tools or aids. When rigging, one takes several steps to keep the line as stable as possible.
Slack line requires a very active balance as the line moves around a lot. During setup, lateral stability is not a high concern and tools are not generally part of the picture.

Just two weeks ago I helped rig a highwire for a circus. I tried their line and found it very much differant. Later I let their "artists" try a slackline and they thought I was crazy.

I find that the strongest overlap with climbing is that climbing is largely about acurate placement and smooth transfer of weight. Slackline is a good excercise of the same things.


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I find that the strongest overlap with climbing is that climbing is largely about acurate placement and smooth transfer of weight.

I can see some similarity with slab climbing, especially if you don't use your hands.

-Jay


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"The Irwin Brothers (James and William) were from England and immigrated to the US in 1865 with their parents (parents may have been circus people as well?) William was born circa 1860. William Irwin later married Sarah Agnes Wilson of Buffalo, NY and were billed as "The American Tops". He worked on the trapeze, while balancing on his head and jugglng, while his wife suspended his trapeze from her mouth bit. As well, he worked on a slack wire with one end suspended from his wife's mouth bit."

from www.circushistory.org

i wouldn't be surprised to find other earlier examples of slackline/rope walking.


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But most of all, slacklining is a climber's sport. It was invented by climbers

It was invented by circus performers. It was renamed by climbers.

-Jay

I can't quite agree with this. Tightrope or highwire has been around for some time and is often a circus act. Slackline is fairly modern.
Highwire requires strong focus and balance but that is somewhat passive often with tools or aids. When rigging, one takes several steps to keep the line as stable as possible.
Slack line requires a very active balance as the line moves around a lot. During setup, lateral stability is not a high concern and tools are not generally part of the picture.

Just two weeks ago I helped rig a highwire for a circus. I tried their line and found it very much differant. Later I let their "artists" try a slackline and they thought I was crazy.

I find that the strongest overlap with climbing is that climbing is largely about acurate placement and smooth transfer of weight. Slackline is a good excercise of the same things.

There are references on the web related to circus acts indicating that the slack rope and slack wire existed prior to the trapese which showed up in the mid 1850's in the US. There are many references to the slack rope and slack wire being of the earliest circus acts of this type.

Dave


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I wondered how long it would take Jay to find this thread.

Argument's over now. Everybody can just go home, cause JT512 is always right when it comes to slacklining.


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its not a part of climbing, but its definitely is a part of climbing culture/legacy/whatever.


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I can see some similarity with slab climbing, especially if you don't use your hands.
-Jay

Not quite. Slacklining is similar to no-hand slab climbing in an earthquake, while your footholds are moving around violently.


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I can see some similarity with slab climbing, especially if you don't use your hands.
-Jay

Not quite. Slacklining is similar to no-hand slab climbing in an earthquake, while your footholds are moving around violently.

Agreed. But I was trying to give the poster the benefit of the doubt.

-Jay


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Agreed Jay, I think the similarity is distant but reckognizable.
Also on the history I appreciate the history lesson. My understanding was that the current "craze" originated around camp 4 about 30 years ago. This was confirmed to me by some carneys that I worked with. We all know that they are at least as reliable as climbers so ... I plead gullible :wink:


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My understanding was that the current "craze" originated around camp 4 about 30 years ago. This was confirmed to me by some carneys that I worked with.

Somewhat farther East is my understanding, then down from the NW.


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My understanding was that the current "craze" originated around camp 4 about 30 years ago. This was confirmed to me by some carneys that I worked with.

Somewhat farther East is my understanding, then down from the NW.

joe!...more than your "understanding!" Experience would be the better word...to set things straight, jhealy introduced me to slacklining in Portland in 1980..we called it slackrope back then, because, duh, that is what the circus performers had been calling it for ages...the climber's innovation is the use of webbing...my "understanding" is that adam G, friend and fellow si climbing innovator, started walking webbing with jhealy and others in Carbondale, Ill in the 70's (including a highline for $ in a C'dale bar). jhealy later stuck mostly to walking on perlon...my wife and i "slackroped" on webbing on a brief visit to camp 4 in 1981...and later at Smith Rock and elsewhere in the early 80's..i taught a mini-course on "slackrope walking" at the University of Idaho (Moscow) circa 1982, and the same year, began a kid's summer camp called Adventure Bound which featured a "ropes course" based on traversing webbing "knitted" among the trees ("aka as "postman's walk" and variations thereof...the end of the traverse featured a single slackline, which a few campers walked unassisted. the "slackline" remains central to my climbing art to this day. thanks adam and joe...

oh...and the closest relation of slacklining to rock climbing? in a word: flow..set up your line where falling has consequences and it's a lot like free soloing.


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Jim,

That's about right except I think I only walked 11mm exclusively through the 70's and early 80's until you had a webbing and I tried it with you and Laurel - I didn't like it then, and still don't care for it now - I much prefer cranked down 11mm static line.

I don't know if Adam still walks or not and I believe his beautiful custom iron and oak wire stands for each end of the Monkey Face walk are quite unfortunately long gone.


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I remember hearing about the wire stands. Their highline anchors are still there. We would just use a boulder pad for padding.


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I would forget all the mumbo jumbo about why everyone is arguing about this. All you have to is go slack with someone and you will clearly see how slacking correlates with climbing.


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i guess i cant disagree..!!!





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I remember hearing about the wire stands. Their highline anchors are still there. We would just use a boulder pad for padding.

The wire stands were pretty nice - sort of looked like the things a shoe salesperson would sit on only with custom bases designed to fit those specific contours in the rock at each side. They were pretty important for a cranked down wire, less so for webbing and Adam had setups for both.


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climbing -> webbing and biners -> slackline

That's the connection.


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Jul 28, 2005, 1:23 PM
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climbing -> webbing and biners -> slackline

That's the connection.

Sorry,, thats just not it..


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