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timstich
Feb 20, 2006, 2:30 AM
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To those of you who know the kind of meeting I am talking about and what goes on there - where did you first hear this? Was it widespread vernacular, or just amongst a certain group of friends? I'm curious to see where it originated.
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clausti
Feb 20, 2006, 3:57 AM
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my first exposure to a saftey meeting was last summer at the RRG. seemed pretty universal there.
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timstich
Feb 20, 2006, 3:59 AM
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So where does it come from? Who coined the phrase, or at least popularized it?
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kriso9tails
Feb 20, 2006, 4:21 AM
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First heard it in NH from someone who wasn't from that state... not sure how much that helps. You know, there are sites dedicated to this sort of thing. Why don't you look it up... and when you find it post up here, 'cause I'm to lazy to search myself.
edit: searched for a really long time (about 5 min.) and didn't find anything but a lot if incoherent rambling and pictures of naked women. Long live the glory of the information age.
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napoleon_in_rags
Feb 20, 2006, 4:24 AM
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Safety Meetings exist in Industry, especially in Chemical Facilities. It sounds like it is something that has spread into the climbing world - kind of like Mono.
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timstich
Feb 20, 2006, 4:35 AM
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Well, while I was researching this little bit of history, I found out that there are dating sites specifically for stoners. 420dating.com
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Feb 20, 2006, 6:30 AM
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Safety meetings go back forever. A joke we had as a forest fire fighting crew in the late 80s was the joke: Safety meeting, nobody moves, nobody gets hurt.
Certain substances could help motivate people not to move, and therefore, remain safe.
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tgreene
Feb 20, 2006, 1:26 PM
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During the mid-late 80's when working as a raft guide, we routinely had them!
Trip leader calls "safety break", and everyone grabs their First Aid kits for inspection... These meetings generally lasted 20-30 minutes, because we couldn't completely abandon our "guests". The general practice was to head up into the tree-line and walk downriver a hundred yards or so, as if we were scouting the next rapid.
I fondly remember once special meeting however, where we go so involved in SAFETY, that we pretty much forgot about guests, and left them baking in the sun, while we baked in the shade. After about an hour, they actually came looking for us, and we were nearly infiltrated.
Yes, we carried the goods in our First Aid kits, which is where mine actually remains to this very day, cause nobody fucks with your First Aid kit! :twisted:
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Feb 20, 2006, 1:33 PM
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I'd try looking back to when the unions started, whenever that was. I'm pretty sure it's tied into these meetings somehow. With all the sweat- shops that was going strong in the early 1900's, I would guess someone worried about safety issues back then. Hell, it could of started back in the caveman days when attacking beasts from the front always ended in death, so they got togeather and decided, as a group, that nobody should attack from the front??? OK ... I'm done ...
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Feb 20, 2006, 1:49 PM
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River trips are notoriously safe. Two other guides and I once turned the bus around because we forgot a safety kit. When we told the clients exactly that: "We have to go back, because we forgot the safety kit," we were met only with agreement and appreciative nods.
I see a common thread here: adventure sports guiding. To find the true origins of the safety meeting, one must follow the history of guiding. I'm willing to bet that Swiss guides coined the phrase sometime in the mid 1800s. :lol: Although, more seriously, I bet it's yet another Karl Rohnke invention.
I started participating in "safety meetings" in the late 80s while working for Outward Bound. I still call it a "safety kit."
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Feb 20, 2006, 2:19 PM
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I'm all about doing the Safety Dance.
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good lord, safety meeting run rampant in these parts.......kootenay gold. Even during the local film festival regular announcements are made to "keep your safety meetings outside".
or just go on a run with the local ski patrol, there's always time for a safety meeting on a lift.
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I've since disbanded the "safety meeting" O`how I miss the day...
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Feb 20, 2006, 3:51 PM
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The photographers taking pictures of rafters for guiding companies are some of the safest people I have ever met. The amount of safety equipment I have seen them carry on one trip simply astounds me.
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Feb 20, 2006, 3:54 PM
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I've heard its from all those boaters going through all those rapids... dangerous stuff, sometimes you need to sit back and think about how to do it safely.
I found out this weekend though, boaters also think climbing comps are really dangerous too. They had to take some meetings to evaluate the situation... have to tip my hat to their safety awareness. They like to do everything "safe."
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Feb 20, 2006, 4:16 PM
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Professional river guides are probably the safest people on the fucking planet!
The first time I ever ran the New, it was running at some insane level like 13 feet in the Gorge. The few companies that still ran the river at that level, had everyone stuffed into the biggest damn boats I've ever seen. I think they were running 16 or 18 footers...
Anyways, Bryson and I (we were both Cheat & Upper Yough guides) came bobbing past a trip that had pulled off to the side to assess a line. When we came up on these guys, they about shit, because we were in a Baby Shredder (about 1/2 the size of the normal ones) at death levels. As we pulled off to chat with the other guides and bum a free lunch (they figured it would likely be our last meal), we opened our cooler and began pounding beers. After scarfing down a delicious riverside lunch that consisted of the same scrumptious deli sandwiches that we ate every other day of the week, it was time to get back on the water, but before doing so, we needed to make damn sure we were perfectly safe.
Being that the New wasn't our home river, and only a handful of the guides knew us, we didn't give a shit who we lit up in front of, so out came the First Aid kits. You should have seen the look on thier customers faces, when we jumped back into out tiny little micro-sized raft and drifted off with a beer in one hand, and a safety stick in the other. :twisted:
All in all it was a totally uneventful day that was actually kinda boring, except for a flip & swim in the Keeneys (all of them). After collecting everything from the flip, we decided to kick back for a bit and get really really safe, because we could. We saw the trip that fed us catching up so we got back in and shoved off again, only to later see them one final time at the takeout. The highlight of the trip was probably surfing Greyhound Bus Stop at that level... We just couldn't get enough and kept holding the raft steady, because we were stoned enough to not over react/maneuver and flip, which is good because that would have meant certain death! 8^)
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Feb 20, 2006, 4:31 PM
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Been soloing walls for 30 years without serious mishap.
Safety is my middle name!
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Feb 20, 2006, 6:21 PM
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Back in the mid ‘70s that phrase was used quite often by skydivers in Coolidge AZ. Yes…we were very safe most of the time when we jumped.
Fun times....fun times........
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Feb 20, 2006, 6:22 PM
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Working as a waiter back in high school and college definitely helped me appreciate the importance of safety.
You really can't underestimate the need for safety meetings. Without them, all hell would surely have broken loose.
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Feb 20, 2006, 7:44 PM
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Ah yes, safety meetings. They go back, aye, they go back, to when men were men and unions actually stood up for their members.
http://img212.imageshack.us/...20ironworkers0ox.jpg
Note the guy on the right end of the line...
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timstich
Feb 20, 2006, 8:26 PM
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So do you think those guys actually called it a safety meeting, Dingus? Seems like they could have very likely. What do you suppose the guy on the right had in the bottle, rotgut whiskey? Heh.
No, I think the ubiquitous meeting really doesn't have a distinct origin, and that's fitting. Sometimes scientists in different parts of the world discover the same inventions simultaneously.
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dingus
Feb 20, 2006, 8:32 PM
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Don't know buddy, but I would guess that safety meetings go back to the inception of regulations like osha and the rise of workplace safety.
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tgreene
Feb 20, 2006, 9:57 PM
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I miss SAFE SEX... Or do I..? I don't remember...
Hey, could ya pass me the Doritos! :robert:
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I first heard the term in skydiving. At the end of the day, there would often be a safety meeting in the parking lot at the DZ. As far as I know, safety meetings have been going on (and called that) since the origins of recreational skydiving (early 60's).
Of course when the USPA (uspa.org) decided to have a day each year dedicated to education about safe skydiving and named it "Safety Day" all the old-fart skydivers (like me) had a snicker.
Find a skydiver with less than 200 jumps, and I'll bet a jump ticket that they don't know what a safety meeting really is.
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Feb 21, 2006, 12:13 AM
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safety in the workplace may cost you your job. 8^)
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timstich
Feb 21, 2006, 12:47 AM
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In reply to: I miss SAFE SEX... Or do I..? I don't remember... Hey, could ya pass me the Doritos! :robert:
Ah man, safe sex was one of the best things about the 80s. :lol:
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The paraglider dudes I know indulge in th safety meetings BEFORE the launch... quells the shaking hands you know. I assumed you sky divers did the same?
DMT
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In reply to: The paraglider dudes I know ...
Flying hang-gliders in SoCal during the 80's was the same way. The sport is dangerous enough that you just sort of have to gather together and talk about safety. After a particularly great flight, safety issues have to be studied retrospectively. I have really fond memories of flying with the e-team at Elsinore.
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That's exactly why we do it on whitewater...
Paddling is all about finese, and should appear as more of a waltz or even sublime ballet on the water. Over paddling will cause a whole lot more problems than under paddling. Having the ability to channel out everything around you, where you do nothing more than look down river and communicate with the water, is what it is all about. When you're at a point where you become one with the river, and she talks to you in poetic verse, you have achieved spiritual bliss.
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Feb 21, 2006, 2:16 AM
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So, what you're saying is it gets rid of your negative waves, man.
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Feb 21, 2006, 2:27 AM
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Why is it that when I just read that, I heard Tommy Chong's voice..? :tinfoilhat:
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Feb 21, 2006, 2:29 AM
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In reply to: Why is it that when I just read that, I heard Tommy Chong's voice..? :tinfoilhat:
You should have heard Donald Sutherland's voice. That's what Oddball used to say.
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I wonder if Majid_Sabet attends safety meetings..? :mrgreen:
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Feb 21, 2006, 3:23 AM
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^ He certainly needs to...
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timstich
Feb 21, 2006, 4:56 AM
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If he did, then his accident analysis reports would all just say, "Wow, uncool stuff happened again, mannnnnnnn."
That would actually be refreshing.
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In reply to: The paraglider dudes I know indulge in th safety meetings BEFORE the launch... quells the shaking hands you know. I assumed you sky divers did the same? DMT
Some did, I alway waited until after the day was done. There's something about having the "rest of your life" to open your reserve canopy that makes you want every fraction of a second of your reaction time.
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I just went skiing for the first time in like 5 years on sunday... and we talked about safety on the way up to the lodge, and halfway down the 3rd run, and then again halfway down the 5th run.
Safety is very important, especially when it's you first time back!
And MAN, I forgot how hard skiing is... especially when you're safe!
Steve
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Feb 21, 2006, 3:31 PM
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I spent a season working as a Lift Op at a ski resort.... Lift Ops and Snow Makers take safety VERY FUCKING SERIOUSLY!
"Dude, hit the big red button!"
"No way man, I hit it last time, it's your turn..."
"Dude, you need to hit the button, because that guy is getting thrashed under the chair"
"No worries man, it'll pull him down the ramp!"
"Right on dude!"
Safety was our #1 concern! :righton:
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Ultimate players... easily in the top 3 for safest groups of people i know...
i always assumed the phrase came from the fact that eveyone seemed to have their own first aid kit, well stocked! we had safety meetings before every game, often at half time, and always afterwards.
added ironic bonus; you were always at your safest *after* you got hurt...
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