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sithudson22
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Just out of curiosity how many of you all have read through the new testament of the Bible ?
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macherry
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macherry moved this thread from General to Community.
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cintune
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Mt. Sinai is a walkup.
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mystical_climber
Apr 8, 2006, 2:28 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: In reply to: I am a climber and I just want ever one to know the truth! Hope that helps. :wink: JL Everybody realizes that June 6th is going to be Satan's day, right? There is going to be a huge Satanfest 06/06/06!!! Days of debauchery, sacrifices, music, alcohol and drugs. Apparently it will be BYOG (bring your own goat) but the festivities should be worth it. RJ
I can't wait!!!!
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rhythm164
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I'VE been saving MY goat since New Years...
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ter_bee
Apr 8, 2006, 3:02 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: I'm all for stirring the pot, challenging assumptions, and having some friendly and intelligent debate. Unfortunately, I rarely see friendly or intelligent debates where anyone's personal spiritual beliefs are concerned. Yeah, why is that. ...and so much of the time the sharing of one's spiritual beliefs is meant to be helpful, friendly, and to benefit the recipient. Yet we all get so defensive we're even offended when someone comes up and offers to share what they've learned with us. - bret May all who have the energy, pursue some sort of truth, whatever it may be. And for the rest, may there be compassion.
hey there. this being the only thought-provoking post in this thread, I thought I'd answer: the reason why I (and others?) get upset when strangers spontaneously try to share their beliefs with me, unsolicitedlike, is that it is insulting and patronizing. Does this dude really think we haven't all already made up our own minds about the truth (or lack thereof) of christianity? or does he think that o.p. really brings some new brilliant insight that we haven't thought of yet?
And he wasn't just sharing his own beliefs, which I think can be cool or at the very least entertaining, he was advocating a book from which we can all simply read off our new (gee, thanks) beliefs. Just like he did. no thought required. It makes his whole post sound like a schtick, an advertisement.
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cutty
Apr 8, 2006, 3:33 AM
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In reply to: the reason why I (and others?) get upset when strangers spontaneously try to share their beliefs with me, unsolicitedlike, is that it is insulting and patronizing. Does this dude really think we haven't all already made up our own minds about the truth (or lack thereof) of christianity?
I think that's pretty true. I think it would be different if he'd come back from SomeplaceIHaveNeverHeardOf where he discovered NewSpiritualBeliefIHavenNeverHeardOf and wanted to tell everyone about it. Instead it's more like he thinks perhaps we've never seriously considered getting a gas stove, and he's doing us a big favor by letting us know about them.
Doesn't matter to me whether you use a gas stove or an electric one, or even if you prefer to stick to the microwave. Just as long as you don't feel a need to rain on my parade if I prefer to BBQ. (The rain tends to put the fire out, y'know.)
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eric_k
Apr 8, 2006, 6:46 AM
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In reply to: Why do I get bombarded with this stuff at every turn! Did you ever stop and consider your religion was not the first nor the last, and especially not the only. Look how many times the bible has been rewritten and some of the people that have rewritten it. Look how it portrays women-sad. I don't have a problem with what you do, I just have a problem of where you post it, besides most climbers are godless heathens. Thanks but no thanks. Go Home. Sincerely Heathen Trad Climber
I just wanted to touch on the women in the Bible issue. Although women may not be portrayed as well as we would like to see in the bible, The Bible and especially the gospels give a ton more value and respect to women than the rest of the ancient world was willing to give at the time. Thats all for now.
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In reply to: Just out of curiosity how many of you all have read through the new testament of the Bible ?
Two days of my life I'll never get back.
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j_ung
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In reply to: IF THE BIBLE AND CHRISTIANITY WERE NOT THE TRUTH Why would anyone turn down a chance to have eternal life with no more pain, sorrow, or suffering? Why is teaching Christianity, and having a Bible illegal in some countries? Why, if you were to get a letter in the mail from the FBI, you would read it a number of times over. Then you would probably have a friend reread it to see if he gets the same idea of what it says to do, as you did. The Bible contains the words of God, with much evidence to prove it is the truth. Of how much more importance is the words of God, than any letter. Have you taken the time to read and study it? Why are people in the atheistic community so opposed to having creation taught in our schools? If evolution can disprove creation, why don’t they allow the two to be taught together. Then let the students decide for themselves which is the most reasonable explanation for this world’s existence. The atheist, and people in left wing politics talk about hurting someone’s feelings by the teaching of Biblical creation. Well, what about the Christian who is offended by the teacher telling him he evolved from an ape, millions of years ago? The only logical explanation for these things, is the existence of the great deceiver, the Devil. He dose not want people to come to a knowledge of the truth. This is because the only way he can get back at God, for casting him out of heaven, is to keep people from knowing what they must do to be saved. (2 Timothy 2:25-26) If you are interested in what you must do to be saved from the judgment to come, I will tell you what, and where you can find what God has commanded us to do. Please take the time to read these verses for yourself. First, we must hear that Jesus came to this earth and lived a perfect, sinless life, and died on the cross. When he was on the cross God’s wrath was taken out on him, instead of the people that will obey his gospel. Then when he was buried, he rose three days later and is in heaven raining as the king of kings. (Romans 10:17), (Matthew 7:24-27) Second, we must believe the message of Jesus to be true, that he was the Son of God, or God in human flesh, and has risen back to heaven. (Hebrews 11:6), (Mark 16:15-16) Third, we must repent of our sins, making a constant effort to turn from wrong, and do what is right. (Acts 2:38), (Acts 17:30), (Luke 13:3) Fourth, we must confess with our mouth our belief in Jesus as Lord. (Matthew 10:32-33), (Acts 8:36-37) Fifth, we must be immersed in water, or baptized for the remission, or forgiveness of our sins. This also adds us to Jesus Church. (Acts 2:38), (Acts 22:16), (1 Peter 3:20-21), (Acts 10:48 Notice this is a command, not a work of man.), (Acts 2:41-47 Example of people being added to the Church by baptism.) Last we must remain faithful to Jesus until our death. (Revelation 2:10)
I am Horgon, the Soul Devourer. I will bend you over the Chair of Pain, and penetrate you with the Cock of Thorny Heinousness. Your soul will writh in agony as I gleefully have my way with it.
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ter_bee
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woo hoo! par-tay!!
hahahahaha.
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raymondjeffrey
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Ah right let's get this party started:
Who would you rather live next door to and why (yes they are all climbers):
* A muslim
* A Jewish person
* Catholic
* an Evangelical Dude (10 years ago these folks were called Baptists, today we call them 'Christians)
* an Atheist
* a Wiccan
* Any other denomination
Carry On,
Jefro
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slablizard
Apr 19, 2006, 10:38 PM
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I want the nimphomaniac sport-climber-pot-smoking atheist 30 years old woman with no inibitions and a slight taste of BDSM
In reply to: Ah right let's get this party started: Who would you rather live next door to and why (yes they are all climbers): * A muslim * A Jewish person * Catholic * an Evangelical Dude (10 years ago these folks were called Baptists, today we call them 'Christians) * an Atheist * a Wiccan * Any other denomination Carry On, Jefro |
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In reply to: I am Horgon, the Soul Devourer.
In reply to: ...penetrate you with the c--- of Thorny Heinousness. |
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oldrnotboldr
Apr 20, 2006, 2:37 AM
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A great quote from Jules in another discussion:
In reply to: They say arguing about religion and politics is like being in the Special Olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded. |
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tradman
Apr 20, 2006, 8:52 AM
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I've said this before and I'm going to say it again: if you're not interested in christianity then what are you doing posting in this thread, expressing your opinions about different areas of its doctrine?
Bull SHIT you're not interested!
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styndall
Apr 20, 2006, 3:55 PM
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In reply to: I've said this before and I'm going to say it again: if you're not interested in christianity then what are you doing posting in this thread, expressing your opinions about different areas of its doctrine? Bull s--- you're not interested! :lol:
If you're not interested in homosexuality, what are you doing posting about it?
Oh, right, people can think about, talk about, and be interested in things that they do not, themselves, participate it.
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mikej
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In reply to: A great quote from Jules in another discussion: In reply to: They say arguing about religion and politics is like being in the Special Olympics... even if you win, you're still retarded.
ha ha, when i used to race, i saw the same quote, but instead of politics and religion it said, "racing a honda is like running in the special olympics..." Use your imagination to finish the quote.
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her"
Whats so bad about this? As far as attitudes toward women, I don't think it gets better than this. I don't think paul meant to limiting the attitude to wives either.
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jred
Apr 20, 2006, 6:02 PM
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In reply to: I've said this before and I'm going to say it again: if you're not interested in christianity then what are you doing posting in this thread, expressing your opinions about different areas of its doctrine? Bull s--- you're not interested! :lol: |
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In reply to: In reply to: I've said this before and I'm going to say it again: if you're not interested in christianity then what are you doing posting in this thread, expressing your opinions about different areas of its doctrine? Bull s--- you're not interested! :lol: The only reason this dick head is posting about christianity is to preach at non-christians, is that not obvious?
Does that mean that this guy is just a Jesus Troll? If he doesn't just dissapear isn't that what he should be called?
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If jesus really existed.....
Why is there not any documentation of a man starting a religious revolution in a city, which at the time, was full of scholars who were documenting many smaller events? theres only one document that says that jesus ever even existed(which of course is the bible). This is a subject people often dismiss by saying "well i believe jesus existed but..." . BUt prove that he even existed before you try to prove he is the son of god etc... i don't mean to come off as anti christian. My best friend(who i consider my brother) is covered in christian tattoos just to give you an idea. i'm just curious if anyone can show that he did exist without saying things like "i just know" or " the bible says so".
Jason
PS: i really dont meanto sound anti christian, i do feel that the example jesus or rather paul set is a very good one for people tolive by.
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In reply to: If jesus really existed..... Why is there not any documentation of a man starting a religious revolution in a city, which at the time, was full of scholars who were documenting many smaller events? theres only one document that says that jesus ever even existed(which of course is the bible). This is a subject people often dismiss by saying "well i believe jesus existed but..." . BUt prove that he even existed before you try to prove he is the son of god etc... i don't mean to come off as anti christian. My best friend(who i consider my brother) is covered in christian tattoos just to give you an idea. i'm just curious if anyone can show that he did exist without saying things like "i just know" or " the bible says so". Jason PS: i really dont meanto sound anti christian, i do feel that the example jesus or rather paul set is a very good one for people tolive by.
To me it seems like the proof Jesus existed is in the fact that a whole religious movement started shortly after his death. People in the ancient world were not stupid and wouldn’t create a person call him Christ just so they could start a religion where they would be violently persecuted for hundreds of years. There is no logic in that, the apostles would have nothing to gain and everything to lose.
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(Sigh) I guess I will be the one to debate this guy instead of just ridiculing him. I hope I am not wasting my time.
In reply to: IF THE BIBLE AND CHRISTIANITY WERE NOT THE TRUTH Why would anyone turn down a chance to have eternal life with no more pain, sorrow, or suffering?
In Buddhism, Sakyamuni's 4 noble trucths claim that suffering can be removed or suppressed via meditation. Why should I believe Christianity's claim over the Buddhist one?
In reply to: Why is teaching Christianity, and having a Bible illegal in some countries?
Virtually every religion and every religious text either is or has been banned at sometime. China bans them all. Should believe in the one that is banned the most? Its probably not christianity.
In reply to: Why, if you were to get a letter in the mail from the FBI, you would read it a number of times over. Then you would probably have a friend reread it to see if he gets the same idea of what it says to do, as you did. The Bible contains the words of God, with much evidence to prove it is the truth. Of how much more importance is the words of God, than any letter. Have you taken the time to read and study it?
I have read and stidied it and I hope something the FBI would send me would not have as many apparent contradictions as the Bible. Also I probably wouldn't accept J. Edgar Hoover as my personal savior after reading something from the FBi.
In reply to: Why are people in the atheistic community so opposed to having creation taught in our schools? If evolution can disprove creation, why don’t they allow the two to be taught together. Then let the students decide for themselves which is the most reasonable explanation for this world’s existence. The atheist, and people in left wing politics talk about hurting someone’s feelings by the teaching of Biblical creation. Well, what about the Christian who is offended by the teacher telling him he evolved from an ape, millions of years ago?
Creationism will never meet the requirements of the Scientific Method. Evolution does. This is why evolution is taught in schools. As a hypothesis, creationism has fas too many holes. In order to believe in Creationism, you are taking a leap of faith that the Scientific Method, from which every advance since the enlightenment comes, is wrong.
Once upon a time, both the Catholic and Orthodox Churches believed the world was flat and that the sun orbitted around the earth. Anyone who believed otherwise was a heretic. The Scientific Method proved correct in the end.
And even if schools started teach Creationism, which one would they teach? there are at least 4 different protestant creationist timelines out there. Which one do you teach? The Mormon one? The Baptist? The 7th day adventist? What about the Hindu creation stories? Do you teach them all?
No. if you feel so strongly about creationism, either homeschool your kids or send them to a private school.
I like the fact that your "logical explanation" for these is the devil. If the devil is responsible for the scientific method and the billions of lives saved by vaccines, improvements in hygiene, better food production, better medical understanding, and all other improvements ultimately brought through science, we should all become Satanists.
However, if you have answers for the questions I asked above, maybe I'm wrong.
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Well it seems possible tome that paul could have made up the whole thing in order to give a better way to get his message across. he wsa the only person of that period who ever wrote about jesus. and he was the one who went around spreading the word so perhaps he came up with the myth in order to validate his beliefs. and i do think that the majority of people at that time were believing in religions which some today might call rediculous.
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