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majid_sabet
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A university professor (leading expert in South American blue jay) decided to go and check out the new nest by a dry waterfall. His plan was to rappel 700 feet on the face of the dry waterfall.
Based on the info he collected from couple of climbing forum just few days before his adventure , there were rap bolts every 80 feet.
Once he downloaded the topo of the dry waterfall and did his math work , he discovered that by using a single 60 meter rope (using both side), he could rap down and reach every bolt and still have 4-5 meters of extra rope at the end.
So professor took
1-60 meter rope (each rap stations are @ 80 feet apart)
1- knife
1- flashlight
1- ATC
2- Locking Biner
On early Monday, professor headed to see the blue jays. A hot summer day with no climbers around, professor decided to go naked so he ran his rope thru the first rappelling ring and slowly descended to rap # 8.
Once he got some confidence with ATC, he rapped to station # 7, again every thing was looking cool. When professor got ready to rap to station # 6 where the bule jay nest were , he did not notice any chain link or bolts .
Since professor is not in to climbing and normally does not read the message board on the parking lot, There was a big note that said:
“ Attention all climbers, as of Sunday $%/&^/*7, due to loose bolts on rap # 4 and # 6, the chain links are removed , you need two 60 meter rope to rap ”.
Professor is sitting on the ledge 200 feet below the top and 500 feet above the base with his 60m rope on his hand naked. Next rap station is 170 feet below him. The waterfall is as shinny as a mirror (no holds, no cracks). Climbers are returning to waterfall 14 days from now.
What is the plan?
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angry
Feb 23, 2007, 3:53 AM
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Hmm. So he can slowly and painstakingly ascend back up to rap station #7, where he will have bolts but still be 80' from the top. He doesn't have anything with him that will allow him to climb up the last 80'.
Once back to station 7 he can fix the rope and rappel single line to station 6 with it's intact bolts, but then his line is tied so that would just leave him 500' off the deck and kinda 280' from the top.
He's basically screwed. With what you've given, I don't really see a way out. Did you leave something out, or is this just to illustrate to us n00bs how bringing the bare essentials can bite you?
His best bet is to stay at station 7 where it will be easier for someone to rescue him from the top.
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metrogroaz
Feb 23, 2007, 4:03 AM
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Creepy naked bluejay prof..... wierd
I think you mentioned dry waterfall too much, so the answer lies in that sentence, somehow, or that my $.02
angry wrote: He's basically screwed. With what you've given, I don't really see a way out.
If not, I agree with the above ^
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:09 AM
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He can use his two lockers to haul himself back up with a garda hitch, then use his knife to cut the sheath off his rope, then use the inner strands to make a rope twice as long and half as thick.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:13 AM
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Edited because we think it's been solved, and I've got the dinner, but want others to think: have at it
Will
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:13 AM
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He could kill/eat the blue jays and live in their nest for the next fourteen days..............
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crankingclimber
Feb 23, 2007, 4:15 AM
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Edited to let people come up with another solution, without being tainted by mine.
Will
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majid_sabet
Feb 23, 2007, 4:15 AM
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angry wrote: Hmm. So he can slowly and painstakingly ascend back up to rap station #7, where he will have bolts but still be 80' from the top. He doesn't have anything with him that will allow him to climb up the last 80'. Once back to station 7 he can fix the rope and rappel single line to station 6 with it's intact bolts, but then his line is tied so that would just leave him 500' off the deck and kinda 280' from the top. He's basically screwed. With what you've given, I don't really see a way out. Did you leave something out, or is this just to illustrate to us n00bs how bringing the bare essentials can bite you? His best bet is to stay at station 7 where it will be easier for someone to rescue him from the top.
He pulled the 60 meter rope, how do you want him to ascent ?
he is all alone on the ledge, no rope above him, nothing, nada.
If any one solves this, you will get a free dinner from me
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:20 AM
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Actually you just reminded me of a knot I learned in Tahquitz, after a fist fight with my climbing partner. I had to find a new partner for the next day as we were not climbing together, and this guy I met showed me a single strand knot, that through a series of weaving knots at the top, released the entire rope.
Needless to say, I found that sketchy as I did this partner, so me and my normal climbing forgave each other over some whiskey and sketchy stories...
but that knot would be cool to actually know, and see if it would work.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:23 AM
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I don't believe all the details are laid out here.
Is there a nice ledge to stand on at each rap station (like your drawing) on this mirrored wall? The professor must of at least already figured out how to use the end of the rope to anchor in at station #7 while he pulled rope and resetup for next rap.
The chains are gone, no hangers, nothing?
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:24 AM
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anyone else just think he should jump for being a moron?...if he's a professor he should be familiar with natural selection, and anyone retarded enough to do this should probably be dead....ya thats right I took the easy way out...
realistically, I'd call McGyver and ask what I could make with a flashlight, knife, rope and two pieces of metal, he could probably fabricate some kind of helicopter given these useful supplies.....I mean I once saw him make a bomb out of gum, a sock, a knife and a battery.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:24 AM
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He got to a ledge with no bolts and pulled the rope anyway? It must be a rather spacious ledge. Like camping size. Otherwise he'd never have pulled the rope.
So he's 160' from the top, 500 feet from the bottom. There aren't any bolts around and he's 80 more feet above the rap stations that will get him home tonight.
He needs to find something on that ledge to sling. It's a big ledge, maybe there's trees or something. He's got 40 extra feet of rope he can cut off and use to sling something.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:26 AM
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professor is standing on the ledge ok
His first few raps were 80 feet apart
Every other rap station from here are 170 feet apart
How can he rap now ?
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:26 AM
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metrogroaz: That's a Highwayman's hitch. http://www.iland.net/...highwaymanshitch.htm
But you still need the whole thing doubled to release it. And I've gotten a ton of shit from the safety police around here for even mentioning it before.
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I like the creative writing! :)
And a couple of the answers, living in the nest being the best.
If the rope is dynamic and the anchor good, you could bomb a factor 2 through the missing anchor and resume back to half rope raps.
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112 wrote: I like the creative writing! :) And a couple of the answers, living in the nest being the best. If the rope is dynamic and the anchor good, you could bomb a factor 2 through the missing anchor and resume back to half rope raps.
No all others are no good
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:32 AM
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if the rap stations are every 80 ft then wouldn't he be 180 feet from the top at the most?
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:32 AM
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First you would tie one of the lockers to the end of the rope, then drop the entire rope down to rap station 5. Swing the rope around until you get the locker to latch onto a bolt. Then have a super fun FF2. Repeat as necessary!
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:33 AM
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majid_sabet wrote: professor is standing on the ledge ok His first few raps were 80 feet apart Every other rap station from here are 170 feet apart How can he rap now ?
Stop changing your story.
You said that all the raps are 80' apart. The exception is that anchor 6 is gone. Unfortunately he's standing on a ledge at 6 and needs to figure out how to get to 5 with no bolted anchor. Then, it's 80' raps after that.
This is doable if the ledge has some sort of feature that 40 feet of rope can sling.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:34 AM
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Actually, if you're familiar with a sheepshank you could do it. You can actually cut one of the middle strands and the know will hold as long as it's weighted, but then when you let off weight it comes undone and you only have a foot, maybe foot and a half left and the rest comes on down. Just make sure you don't cut the wrong strand.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:37 AM
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situation never happened. he doens't have a harness (he was naked) and sure as hell isn't going to body rappel naked.
Or he could take the chance and pretend its a deep water solo. rap down as far as he could and jump into the water.
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:38 AM
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I guess if it was me, I would just swing my dick around and helicopter back to the top.
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angry wrote: unrooted wrote: if the rap stations are every 80 ft then wouldn't he be 180 feet from the top at the most? Exactly, but he's standing on a ledge with no anchor and the rope is coiled in his hands. He's not in a position to ascend back to the top.
First few raps were 80 feet , he used the 60 meter rope to get down then pulled one end ,except from where he is now ( chain/bolt) next rap is 170 feet below him with nothing in the middle
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:41 AM
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unrooted has a flat cock.
Huge yes, but the ladies don't dig flat blade shaped cocks. Sorry man.
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angry wrote: unrooted has a flat cock. Huge yes, but the ladies don't dig flat blade shaped cocks. Sorry man.
or maybe i would just jerk off until the gorge was filled with cum, then swim out.
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angry
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Goddammit Majid, I don't want to play if it takes 5 posts to even get what you intended to say.
The scenario you want us to solve is not the same scenario that you posted originally.
It's like playing a game with little kids who keep changing the rules. Sure it's cute, but eventually I'm going to steal their fucking ball.
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unrooted
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he could just swing over to the next closest route and rap those anchors. if its a cliff worth climbing, then its a cliff worth gridbolting!
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unrooted wrote: angry wrote: unrooted has a flat cock. Huge yes, but the ladies don't dig flat blade shaped cocks. Sorry man. or maybe i would just jerk off until the gorge was filled with cum, then swim out.
Dude, that's perfect.
You get to jerk off and swim in cum and In reply to: If any one solves this, you will get a free dinner from me
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Feb 23, 2007, 4:48 AM
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holdeddie wrote: He could kill/eat the blue jays and live in their nest for the next fourteen days.......
Now THIS is why we need those damn trophies back.
Bravo, sir. Bravo indeed.
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Wil got a dinner, I will buy one more, go for it.
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angry wrote: unrooted wrote: angry wrote: unrooted has a flat cock. Huge yes, but the ladies don't dig flat blade shaped cocks. Sorry man. or maybe i would just jerk off until the gorge was filled with cum, then swim out. Dude, that's perfect. You get to jerk off and swim in cum and In reply to: If any one solves this, you will get a free dinner from me majid will take your dirty man-boy ass to dinner.
And you'll steal his balls before the meal begins.
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The bluejay professor, knowing he was new at this rappelling thing, had the foresight to tell several of his lab minions about his expedition. He told them the location he would conduct this most exciting foray into the mating habits of the South American version of his beloved Cyanocitta cristata. "Now boys," he addressed his acne-bejeweled flunkies, "I'll be sure to call you just as soon as I get home." He paused and gave each of them a measured look before going on. "If I don't contact you by 9pm of that night, something has gone terribly wrong and you should contact the authorities. They'll know what to do."
The professor, surveyed his seemingly hopeless position at rap anchor #6. His mouth was dried out from adrenaline-fueled panic and there was a stifled feeling in his chest like his heart would either stop beating or explode and he couldn't tell which. But then he calmed himself, suddenly remembering his sober instructions to his graduate students, Jules and Dan. He also recollected their devotion to the most menial of lab details. It would be allright. He folded his arms around himself as dusk settled in, waiting for the stab of rescuers' lights in the growing darkness above him.
Dan and Jules quietly clinked their beers together at the local college bar while eyeing several choice members of the undergraduate populace who would never get how ornithologically brilliant the duo was.
Dan looked down at his watch. "Oh shit, it's a quarter to twelve. Didn't the prof say something about calling the authorities?"
Jules scoffed, "He's probably just hoarding his research for his next 'brilliant' paper. We never get to do anything. He always makes me clean the poo out of the cages. Fuck that guy."
Yes, the professor is fucked.
[This terrible attempt at fiction is brought to you by boredom. Do I get a dinner anyway?]
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he could let one end of the rope go through the atc, and as he falls the other 100' reach out and grab the next set of chains, does that a couple of times and he won't have to jerk it a few trillion times.
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Once again, I don't know if this is what you had in mind but it would work. Tie the end of the rope into the anchor (prolly just one bolt on the anchor if it's solid to save rope) and then directly below that end tied into the anchor tie a sheep shank. Hook up for the rap on the single rope and right before heading off, he cuts the one middle know which is doing nothing at all to hold the knot together. Once he reaches the next anchor, since he had the full length of rope, he clips in, gives the rope a couple of shakes so the sheep shank comes un-tied and he's got all but maybe two feet of the original length to do it again to the next anchor.
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Cut a foot off of the end of his rope. Pull out a strand and tie one of the carabiners so that it stays open. tie a figure eight on a bight in one end of the rope. hook the open biner with the figure eight onto the rap rings at the station he's at. singe rope rap down to next anchor. flick the rope until it pops off the open biner and contine rapping down.
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majid_sabet wrote: A The waterfall is as shinny as a mirror (no holds, no cracks). Climbers are returning to waterfall 14 days from now.
Why?
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I want some good persian food for my dinner.
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why does anything else in his stories happen? because he likes making up the most contrived (and it seems changing) scenarios while he is waiting for Google is searching for more accident reports.. this seems to slow down at night so the random shit speeds up
touche.. i still stand by my other parts
i like the FF2 idea tho.. full rope length whipper into the unknown
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unrooted wrote: I want some good persian food for my dinner.
Cook it for you or eat out side?
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jakedatc wrote: why does anything else in his stories happen? because he likes making up the most contrived (and it seems changing) scenarios while he is waiting for Google is searching for more accident reports.. this seems to slow down at night so the random shit speeds up math isnt his strong suit.. 80 feet apart = 160 ft Next rap station is 170 feet below him 60M rope is 196ft and since most companies add a bit for good measure.. 200 ft. 500 ft waterfall.. 5 raps down.. there is no #6 anchor to worry about so you're home free. if you are going to make up stupid scenarios at least make the numbers work out correctly i like the FF2 idea tho.. full rope length whipper into the unknown
Read again
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Couple of thoughts, but likely wouldn't work:
- 1. Thread one end of rope through chains, tie in to biner with figure 8 on a bight, clip rope on other side of chain into biner so it's running free; weight rope, biner snugs up against chains. Rap down, then do the sine wave thing up the rope to get it moving through the chains, biner will slide down it, catch rope as it zips by you on way down, repeat. Two points of failure since friction would likely keep rope in place in chains (could reduce friction with biner on chains), and if it didn't, you'd likely miss the rope as it went whizzing by.
- 2. This presumes flashlight or knife can hold body weight. Put one biner on chains. Tie flashlight or knife to rope a few feet from end so don't lose it, say with a constricter hitch on an extension; put a bowline or some other non-slipping loop knot that will pass through the biner in end of rope. Pass loop end through biner with bulk of knot still on original side of chain, put flashlight through loop, weight rope so flashlight blocks across biner. Rap down, then do the sine wave thing up the rope to get it moving through the biner, flashlight/knife will fall out of bowline; pull loop through biner, repeat. Again, two points of failure: flashlight/knife could slide off blocking position, and sine wave may not release it when you want to. In addition, this presumes that you know how many stations are missing bolts (we happen to have two biners for the two stations); if you didn't know this (real-life), you'd have to hang onto biners, which would mean putting loop directly through chains, and high likelihood that sine wave wouldn't release the flashlight/knife due to friction. It's also not clear whether the two biners are in addition to whatever's holding the ATC to the harness, or whether one of them is required for this, in which case you're definitely going directly through the chains on the last long rap.
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As we all know, blue jays nest in trees. usually in forested areas.
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majid_sabet wrote: unrooted wrote: I want some good persian food for my dinner. Cook it for you or eat out side?
thats up to you. When I lived in turkey all the turks would bring little bbq's and cook up great food at the cliff, so outside would be great.
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I have the entire solution to the professor's challenge
majid_sabet wrote: A university professor (leading expert in South American blue jay) decided to go and check out the new nest by a dry waterfall. His plan was to rappel 700 feet on the face of the dry waterfall. ...
The waterfall is dry, so a lot of trees and bushes, grass and moss, are growing on the cracks and ledges. This is home to a lot of creatures.
But not blue jays!
Jays like the big woods, the kind you see in Canada and USA, where they can fly from tree to tree. They like evergreens, especially pines, so they compete with red squirrels (but not grey squirrels, who prefer deciduous).
In my neighbourhood, they often fly from tree-top to tree-top, always in a straight line, always at least 10 meters off the ground. When they meet a red squirrel, they argue for the rights to the tree branches.
Based on this knowledge, the professor's solution is:
majid_sabet wrote: On early Monday, professor headed to see the blue jays. A hot summer day with no climbers around, professor decided to go naked ...
professor decided to go naked as a jay-bird, and spent the rest of the morning enjoying the sun and the wind and the birds (but not the jays).
After enjoying his lunch in peace, he packs up his clothes and gear, and hits the trail back to his camp, so he could enjoy a delightful dinner and lovely night.
The professor might be smart, but he ain't crazy!
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Everybody is a winner. You might want to think about just hiring a catering service, Majid.
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My first thought. Cut the fused ends of the rope and separate the core from the sheath. Then tie the two together and rap down using my ruined single. If this is a static rope, then I am at a loss. I can very well unweave one of those. Oh well, let hear the answer sometime.
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dan2see
Feb 23, 2007, 8:00 PM
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theguy wrote: dan2see wrote: Jays like the big woods, the kind you see in Canada and USA, where they can fly from tree to tree. This reminds me of something.... wait, I have it: "I'm a lumber jack and I'm OK, I work all night and I sleep all day" 
In reply to: I'm a lumber jack and I'm OK. I sleep all night and I works all day. I've got Blue eyes and cheeks of rose. I like to dress in ladies clothes.
Hey! Just because I'm Canadian?
Watch out, there: I don't have rosy cheeks!
Monty Python was British.
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