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kriso9tails
May 13, 2008, 12:55 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: Dude, fuck grades. Whatever. Spoken like a true 5.10 climber. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't brag about what I climb, and could pretty much care less. Which is why you climb at your current level. Mmm, now who's the dick? You're coming off like a JT512 wanna be. Jay, you've got a groupie!
No, it's actually really quite funny, but I'm not even sure I can explain why... and it's a totally fair and appropriate response as far as I'm concerned.
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carabiner96
May 13, 2008, 12:57 AM
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kriso9tails wrote: carabiner96 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: Dude, fuck grades. Whatever. Spoken like a true 5.10 climber. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't brag about what I climb, and could pretty much care less. Which is why you climb at your current level. Mmm, now who's the dick? You're coming off like a JT512 wanna be. Jay, you've got a groupie! No, it's actually really quite funny, but I'm not even sure I can explain why... and it's a totally fair and appropriate response as far as I'm concerned.
same as Jay's...the majesty!
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Myxomatosis
May 13, 2008, 1:35 AM
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You will find most people will climb hard for awhile and then hit a barrier when there strenght will no longer get them up the climb and then have to work hard on getting that up to scratch.
My partner, the first time I took him climbing he flew up every 5.10 in the gym... on sheer determination... oh how nice it would be if we were all 19 again 
If you are finding climbing "to easy" learn how to lead climb.
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rogue10186
May 13, 2008, 2:06 AM
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corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: Dude, fuck grades. Whatever. Spoken like a true 5.10 climber. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't brag about what I climb, and could pretty much care less. Which is why you climb at your current level.
well good for me 
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kriso9tails
May 13, 2008, 2:12 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: kriso9tails wrote: carabiner96 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: Dude, fuck grades. Whatever. Spoken like a true 5.10 climber. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't brag about what I climb, and could pretty much care less. Which is why you climb at your current level. Mmm, now who's the dick? You're coming off like a JT512 wanna be. Jay, you've got a groupie! No, it's actually really quite funny, but I'm not even sure I can explain why... and it's a totally fair and appropriate response as far as I'm concerned. same as Jay's...the majesty!
Oh, is that it? Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Look, if people want to climb and never push harder, that's cool, but let's not forget that anyone that climbs established lines outside does so only because someone else first set out to establish them. Do you think the type of people to put up those FA's are generally the complacent sort that don't try to push themselves? I mean yeah, you free an aesthetic line when you see it even if it's not the greatest challenge in the world for you, but the techniques and skills that developed many of our beloved crags to date are of those that generally wanted to climb past a certain point.
Climbs are graded so other people that might want to attempt the line can get a sense of the difficulty. If you've ever done days of random ascents without grades, or guidebooks or even established lines then you'll know that it can be interesting, but you don't always get as many lines in as you want because what looked like a nice line from the ground is a fucking nightmare when you get to it. Good times, no doubt, but sure enough I'm glad to have a good guide book in my hands from time to time and to know that I can get on good clean lines on a whim because someone that has probably pushed harder than me has equipped and/ or cleaned them up.
In a decade and a half, I've scarcely met a climber that doesn't use grades for one thing or another and as I've said, without people chasing bigger challenges (which are later translated as higher grades) the sport just wouldn't exist. Try and understand why, 'Fuck grades' comes off as little more than the 'cute' musing of a n00b who a) takes the time to add in his profile how hard he climbs (by grade) and b) has probably only climbed lines established be people that climb harder than him.
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curt
May 13, 2008, 2:20 AM
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corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: Dude, fuck grades. Whatever. Spoken like a true 5.10 climber.
Dude, fuck grades. Now feel free to comment on how hard I climb. 
Curt
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corson
May 13, 2008, 10:22 AM
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First off I am not J, WTF. Some of you folks need to get some perspective.
I can assure you though, in a society rife with mediocrite, it is puzzeling to me why people think I'm a dick. If you dont care, you wont try.If you dont try, you will invariably be mediocre. There is plenty of that in EVERY facit of our civilization. In cluding climbing. I could care less how hard you all climb, but sorry folks.......... news flash, 5.10 is pretty mediocre. I do care however how hard I climb. Oh and I also CARE about a lot of other things too.
TRYING HARD at anything.......that I can respect.
I am not the kind of person who needs affermation from others. I am the kind of person who try's hard at everything I do. I know what WORK is, and how to do it. Anything past average takes effort. Do it or DONT. Its up to you.
Curt- i dont really have any vested interest in how hard you climb. You obviosly missed the point.
I didn't make ANY judgement . Just speaking the truth.However for the record, it is all to often I see average climbers(which of course is great,having fun is important) Saying stuff like "fuck grades". That attitude is why community college exists. So be it.
To all. Grades mean something.They are a means to quantify difficulty. FOR MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT REASONS.
Grow up people
happy climbing
C
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corson
May 13, 2008, 10:31 AM
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carabiner96 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: corson wrote: rogue10186 wrote: Dude, fuck grades. Whatever. Spoken like a true 5.10 climber. What the hell is that supposed to mean? I don't brag about what I climb, and could pretty much care less. Which is why you climb at your current level. Mmm, now who's the dick? You're coming off like a JT512 wanna be. Jay, you've got a groupie!
Umm, wanna be ?
Groupie ?
Grow up!
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rogue10186
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Well then maybe I should clarify what I meant. When I say "fuck grades" I don't mean don't try harder, by all means go for it.
What I meant when I was originally posting was don't go basing everything you do on climbing around grades, especially a gym's grading scale. Everyone climbs at different levels, how you're climbing compared to them, or the "average" shouldn't be important, as long as you are personally pushing yourself.
As far as saying I'm mediocre? I think 5.10 is pretty decent for an average dude who is temporarily stuck in Louisiana, where climbing outside only comes about once every two months or so, and the only other option is a small bouldering gym. Yea, when compared to the wirey ass sportsters who pull down .14s on a regular basis, that ain't much, but you know what? I don't give a shit what they do.
Edit to add rebutal to kristo: As for the guys developing new routes and what not, ok, that's fucking awesome for them, and I'm glad they're doing that. I'd love to go out and climb some of those routes, but you know what? with the time I am able to devote to climbing I'm not gonna go and spend it developing some crag somewhere. Yea, maybe down the road when I move some place where I could climb every weekend, then that would be pretty fun, and if I had the time to I'd love to help someone do it, but for right now, I'm happy to follow the footsteps of those before me.
(This post was edited by rogue10186 on May 13, 2008, 3:15 PM)
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WVUCLMBR
May 13, 2008, 4:20 PM
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n00bs bashing n00bs....classic rc.com......
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Gmburns2000
May 13, 2008, 4:44 PM
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corson wrote: First off I am not J, WTF. Some of you folks need to get some perspective. I can assure you though, in a society rife with mediocrite, it is puzzeling to me why people think I'm a dick. If you dont care, you wont try.If you dont try, you will invariably be mediocre. There is plenty of that in EVERY facit of our civilization. In cluding climbing. I could care less how hard you all climb, but sorry folks.......... news flash, 5.10 is pretty mediocre. I do care however how hard I climb. Oh and I also CARE about a lot of other things too. TRYING HARD at anything.......that I can respect. I am not the kind of person who needs affermation from others. I am the kind of person who try's hard at everything I do. I know what WORK is, and how to do it. Anything past average takes effort. Do it or DONT. Its up to you. Curt- i dont really have any vested interest in how hard you climb. You obviosly missed the point. I didn't make ANY judgement . Just speaking the truth.However for the record, it is all to often I see average climbers(which of course is great,having fun is important) Saying stuff like "fuck grades". That attitude is why community college exists. So be it. To all. Grades mean something.They are a means to quantify difficulty. FOR MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT REASONS. Grow up people
