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adatesman
May 21, 2009, 11:17 PM
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the_climber
May 21, 2009, 11:22 PM
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adatesman wrote: the_climber wrote: Done right Brazing is about as good and as stong as it gets. Well, not quite.... A braze will never be stronger than a weld, but that's just me being pedantic since they're basically the same thing but with different temperatures/filler metals.  
I was going to compare it to welding, but like you say... welding is just a little different and a little more... you know.
Correct me if I'm wrong on this, but I seem to recall brazing being stonger (done right) on cable than welding.
Either way, Enjoy your chop suey!
(This post was edited by the_climber on May 21, 2009, 11:23 PM)
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adatesman
May 21, 2009, 11:33 PM
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k.l.k
May 21, 2009, 11:37 PM
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adatesman wrote: If CCH wants to make a statement they are more than welcome to identify themselves and do so, but trying to post anonymously through a shill is unethical IMO.
Yeah, no kidding. In any case, you're doing whoever it is a favor, since the posts are relentlessly stupid. If they did come from CCH, they could only make things worse for themselves by stringing it out.
Moreover, if the CCH email and the posts resolve to the same IP, then I think that you or one of the other mods should tell us.
I'd like to think that no one at CCH is stupid enough to start posting anonymously in this thread, but given the history, it's a distinct possibility.
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drector
May 21, 2009, 11:50 PM
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In reply to: Well, not quite.... A braze will never be stronger than a weld, but that's just me being pedantic since they're basically the same thing but with different temperatures/filler metals.
(My bolding in the quote above)
Welding is the fusion of two pieces of the same metal by melting them together. They become one single piece of material. It is not glue and it does not bond them. They become one in the same way that pouring a bunch of molten steel into a mold makes a single part. Filler material, which is always the same basic metal as the original, is not required and is not needed with some techniques.
Brazing is more similar to gluing in that the silicon bronze or other brazing material bonds to the other metals. There is no fusion into one single piece of material.
Welding is not basically the same with a different filler.
Brazing is beyond strong enough for many applications including connecting cables to cam heads so the discussion is moot. It just seems wrong to give out incorrect technical information about the nature of welding vs. brazing.
Dave
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adatesman
May 22, 2009, 12:08 AM
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adatesman
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afahrlan
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I really wish you hadn't banned her, because it'd sure be nice to hear an explanation from their end.
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adatesman
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spikeddem
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Word from Nadia at CCH is that they're formulating a reply to put up on their website "ASAP." (As of 7:46 Central)
I e-mailed them to remind them that situations like these provide opportunities for companies, and that with a little showing of good faith and follow through CCH has a chance to put a lot of people's minds (and wallets) at ease. Response time of four hours isn't bad.
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adatesman
May 22, 2009, 1:27 AM
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healyje
May 22, 2009, 2:33 AM
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When CCH can't even improve something as easy as communicating with their customers and the climbing public at large, it doesn't bode well for their ability to change how they make and QC their product.
It's not like we're asking them to master twitter or anything...
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jt512
May 22, 2009, 2:40 AM
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adatesman wrote: jrathfon wrote: Well, after reading all 4 pages, this last post answered my question. Yeah, sorry about that. I would have done it up front but didn't want to run the risk of destroying evidence since its readily obvious if you have it in hand and know anything about welding/brazing. But so far CCH has yet to ask to see them (opting instead to grill me on my professional background, degrees, etc), so might as well cut them open.
I think you should post their correspondence.
Jay
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adatesman
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jt512
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lightrack wrote: Cams break......aliens are always bashed on..... i still use mine a good friend of mine broke 3 brand new C4's already this season, yet there is never a bash thread on BD's the heads simply crushed on a 3 meter fall
Did he break all three in one 3-m fall or 1 each in three 3-m falls, or, maybe, are you just making shit up?
Jay
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