It saddens me to see such desecration of our national monument. There is a time and a place for all actions, and I feel this action was sadly put in the wrong place.

No matter what your views are on global warming, I am not impressed in such things.

As far as impact? What kind of climbing backlash will result from this? What kind of change is going to come from this politically?

to me I only see negatives coming from this, rather than a positive.

I think a better venue would have been off a buiding in a big city. If I saw someone putting something like this while I was climbing, I would want to cut their ropes! I wouldn't cut them, but I would want to...

As far as impact? What kind of climbing backlash will result from this? What kind of change is going to come from this politically?

From now on climbing on Rushmore shall be illegal.

There's your backlash.

Sheesh.

DMT

Why do I get the feeling that you don't think terrorism is a crock of shit, and you are fine with having your freedoms taken away to monitor that?

This from Time.com: "85% — say global warming is probably happening, according to a new TIME magazine/ABC News/Stanford University poll. An even larger percentage (88%) think global warming threatens future generations."

Sadly Joseph, your post is the one that reaks of zealotry. Then again, zealots are never deterred by facts ... please educate yourself rather than relying on faulty, pseudo-historic analogies.

"Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans since the mid-20th century and its projected continuation. Global surface temperature increased 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F)during the last century.[1][A] The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes that increasing greenhouse gas concentrations resulting from human activity such as fossil fuel burning and deforestation are responsible for most of the observed temperature increase since the middle of the 20th century.[1] The IPCC also concludes that natural phenomena such as solar variation and volcanoes produced most of the warming from pre-industrial times to 1950 and had a small cooling effect afterward.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by more than 45 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.[4]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

I thought it was already illegal. Rushmore looks like choss anyway.

Yah, quoting what Wikipedia says about global warming makes one look exceptionally intelligent... Smart like a dump truck eh?

You mean smart like cheesetitting bold tags?

It saddens me to see such desecration of our national monument. There is a time and a place for all actions, and I feel this action was sadly put in the wrong place.

No matter what your views are on global warming, I am not impressed in such things.

As far as impact? What kind of climbing backlash will result from this? What kind of change is going to come from this politically?

to me I only see negatives coming from this, rather than a positive.

I think a better venue would have been off a buiding in a big city. If I saw someone putting something like this while I was climbing, I would want to cut their ropes! I wouldn't cut them, but I would want to...

It saddens me to see such desecration of our national monument. There is a time and a place for all actions, and I feel this action was sadly put in the wrong place.

No matter what your views are on global warming, I am not impressed in such things.

As far as impact? What kind of climbing backlash will result from this? What kind of change is going to come from this politically?

to me I only see negatives coming from this, rather than a positive.

I think a better venue would have been off a buiding in a big city. If I saw someone putting something like this while I was climbing, I would want to cut their ropes! I wouldn't cut them, but I would want to...

Desecration? With no lingering physical trace? I must disagree. If people want to know about desecration educate yourselves a bit about the inputs and outputs of a fucking hamburger.

Its really easy for people(wealthy mostly) who are uneducated about, and insulated from, the consequences of the trait of our society to externalize costs not experienced personally ('corporately') to deny the role and sensitivity of the organisms and processes that make our lives and industries possible, or that maintaining those systems Must be a priority, that its just another relative truth. Makes it easy to get bent out of shape over trivial actions that have no material effect in the world while ignoring all the things that really do cause harm. Learn a bit about the struggles of the disenfranchised, worldwide, and you'll learn why the ideals we attach to all of our monuments are a fucking joke, and, very likely, what pollution is and why actions like this that force discussions are dare I say patriotic and humanitarian.

Desecration? With no lingering physical trace? I must disagree.

Desecration? With no lingering physical trace? I must disagree. If people want to know about desecration educate yourselves a bit about the inputs and outputs of a fucking hamburger.

These basic conclusions have been endorsed by more than 45 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries.

Why do I get the feeling that you don't think terrorism is a crock of shit, and you are fine with having your freedoms taken away to monitor that?

This from Time.com: "85% — say global warming is probably happening, according to a new TIME magazine/ABC News/Stanford University poll. An even larger percentage (88%) think global warming threatens future generations."

Do you deny this statement?


You can check these facts if you want. The National Academies of Sciences do agree that man-made global warming is real. So do many other scientific organizations. Just because it is on Wiki doesn't mean that it isn't true.

The gov. has found a new way to tax us, period.

Most Americans can't do basic algebra. I've done years of modeling complex systems, and I know more than 99.9% of Americans do about the relability of said models. The GW models are a crock, give me a number you want and I'll come up with a legitimate looking model that justifies that number.

All that man-made GW hysteria proves is that if you tell non-thinking people something often enough they'll believe it.

There are great reasons to reduce fossil fuel dependency, GW isn't one of them. The gov. has found a new way to tax us, period.

According to the EPA, the world has been cooling the last 11 years. But CO2 levels are rising, how can that be, bogus correlation anyone?

Considering that our government seems to be dragging it's feet, kicking and screaming, over reduction of emissions and such, I'd be interested to read just what new taxes you are referring to.

Please - take your time and outline well. Educate me; I'm just a simple person who got lost in HS Algebra while I was out sick for a few days.

from what i've read (i cant provide sources blah blah) the earth's temperature goes in cycles w/ on top of a slight upward slope. so its basically a upward trending line + a sinusoid. during the upturn of the sinusoid (which happened in the 90's or so) the change in earth temperature is rising at an increasing rate. This is what they used to "predict" the temperature of the earth in X years. so how did they extend it? well what else is increasing at an increasing rate? an exponential function. this means that each (year/decade/centure) it is (depending on the exact numbers they used and such) an order of magnitude hotter.

for example lets look at the stock market. if you go way back to when the stock market started you will see that there are peaks and troughs. so we could use all these years of back data to help predict what the economy is generally going to do (not exact number but the flow of things). you would come up with a sinusoid (look it up if you dont know its shape) so omg i dunno if you guys noticed the economy has tanked recently. lets look at the past 12 months and make our model from that. if we did it would be just a line that goes down and down faster and faster (an exponential).

OMFG THIS MEAN THAT THE ECONOMY IS JUST GETTING WORSE AND WORSE AND THAT MEANS IT WILL NEVER GET BETTER!

thats bascially what you global warming guys are doing.

now im not for super inefficient cars (im an engineer, how could i be?) or spewing gross shit all over our planet, but i dont honestly believe humans are making it get hotter and hotter every year. if thats what it takes to get a 50 mpg car then i guess thats cool, but im not going to sweat over GW (haha, see what i did there?)

dynosore: feel free to correct me. i dont do too much modeling