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camhead wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. I'll see you gheys this weakend!
Sorry that you have to resort to climbing at the Red again.
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camhead
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granite_grrl wrote: camhead wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. I'll see you gheys this weakend! Sorry that you have to resort to climbing at the Red again.
Tell me about it. It will be fun, the New will be wet this weekend, and I could not justify driving down there by myself for a fourth time in a row, but it is still lame that nobody wants to go there, ever. Snupe just wants his homogenized jughauls, Lena thinks the New is too reachy, Dribble quit climbing, Trashie is getting durken in Jersey... it's sad, really.
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camhead
Oct 26, 2012, 12:32 PM
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Oh, and See Eye, great shit-stirring in the redriverclimbing Ondra-cupping thread!
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Not to turn this into the rrrSoapbox, but this is awesome:
PrezObama wrote: Ayn Rand is one of those things that a lot of us, when we were 17 or 18 and feeling misunderstood, we'd pick up. Then, as we get older, we realize that a world in which we're only thinking about ourselves and not thinking about anybody else, in which we're considering the entire project of developing ourselves as more important than our relationships to other people and making sure that everybody else has opportunity – that that's a pretty narrow vision.
From a recent Rolling Stone interview, in which he also calls Romney a bullshitter.
http://www.rollingstone.com/...-20121025?print=true
Someone needs to pull up the burned copy of Atlas Shrugged pic.
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tripperjm
Oct 26, 2012, 3:07 PM
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camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: camhead wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. I'll see you gheys this weakend! Sorry that you have to resort to climbing at the Red again. Tell me about it. It will be fun, the New will be wet this weekend, and I could not justify driving down there by myself for a fourth time in a row, but it is still lame that nobody wants to go there, ever. Snupe just wants his homogenized jughauls, Lena thinks the New is too reachy, Dribble quit climbing, Trashie is getting durken in Jersey... it's sad, really.
wipes a tear from my eye
Kids these dayz, they grow up so fast....
It wasn't awl that long ago, I kin remember saying that teh RRRA wus fun, but just mindless jug hauling... and ewe gots so butthurt. heh.
Still, ewe've dun gud and I'm very proud ov ewe. sniffles
Course, I still wish we cud have werked owt a way to get up on teh Big Stone together this past summer.
oh, and speaking ov growing up..... I just measured my youngest, Rob last nite. He grew 12" in teh last 18 months. Mari is oft to college this fall.... and LJ, between werk, school and his girlfriend, hasn't been home in over a week.
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caughtinside
Oct 26, 2012, 3:20 PM
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camhead wrote: Oh, and See Eye, great shit-stirring in the redriverclimbing Ondra-cupping thread!
Just having a little fun with yer fanboiz.
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Oct 26, 2012, 3:28 PM
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LJ has skool and teh jorb? Ewe must be so prowd.
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caughtinside
Oct 26, 2012, 3:32 PM
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http://www.mountainproject.com/...05889292#a_107860085
I did this route not to long ago. Old Richard Harrison 5.8R.
Some dude just commented and said the crux felt English 6a... I had to look that up. 5.11c! LOL.
THe sad thing is he's probably right. I said the move 'was at least .10d' but hell, it could have been .11c. Nails hard on a lassoed knob.
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tripperjm
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caughtinside wrote: tripperjm wrote: caughtinside wrote: What is your view on knocking off jugs and holds to make the climb better harder? heh... nice won. yeah, just having a little fun in there.
Ewe sure gots yore gnu best friend pedro awl wound up.... and ewe are rite..... he has know idea, even about his own backyard.
I has to figure ewe noes.... but ifs knot, maybe ask him about,
U Mounds, Parkside, Tram boulders, Bat Cave, Temple, Big Block, Woodie, Eerie, Three Gun, Crystal Cave, Socorro, TV Station, Rincon Ridge, Roy, Dirt Wall, Spock, Bob Marley, Palomas Peak, Satellite, Cochita Mesa, Datil, Squat, Diablo, Child of Light, Dope, Rose budd, Minutia... and ov course Screaming Jihad. I cud go on.... but that just shitz of teh top ov my hed.
That shud throw him into a frenzy.... or maybes he just doesn't noes.
Admititly, sum ov that shitz shudn't have been dicked with, cuz it wus on gud rock, but sum ov that shitz was just pure junk.
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tripperjm
Oct 26, 2012, 3:51 PM
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caughtinside wrote: LJ has skool and teh jorb? Ewe must be so prowd.
Compaired to a couple ov years back.... yea he's doing gud. I do wish he wood take teh school a little more seriously. But I'm just happy he's in school. Hopefully in tyme he will take it more seriously.... cuz it's costing me a bundle.
Luckly Mari has gots teh schools headhunting her.... likely offering her bucks to go to there schools. Still, it's probily gunna cost me sumthin.
I just hopes that after I finally get Rob owt ov teh house and oft to college, I still has enough to afford a young and pretty drool nurse..... course by then I will likely be dead. Oh well.
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Oct 26, 2012, 3:54 PM
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tripperjm wrote: caughtinside wrote: tripperjm wrote: caughtinside wrote: What is your view on knocking off jugs and holds to make the climb better harder? heh... nice won. yeah, just having a little fun in there. Ewe sure gots yore gnu best friend pedro awl wound up.... and ewe are rite..... he has know idea, even about his own backyard. I has to figure ewe noes.... but ifs knot, maybe ask him about, U Mounds, Parkside, Tram boulders, Bat Cave, Temple, Big Block, Woodie, Eerie, Three Gun, Crystal Cave, Socorro, TV Station, Rincon Ridge, Roy, Dirt Wall, Spock, Bob Marley, Palomas Peak, Satellite, Cochita Mesa, Datil, Squat, Diablo, Child of Light, Dope, Rose budd, Minutia... and ov course Screaming Jihad. I cud go on.... but that just shitz of teh top ov my hed. That shud throw him into a frenzy.... or maybes he just doesn't noes. Admititly, sum ov that shitz shudn't have been dicked with, cuz it wus on gud rock, but sum ov that shitz was just pure junk.
heh. I've probably only heard of about half the stuff on your list, but it is a lengthy list.
ANyway, I'm just about done in there. It's never worth arguing about the stuff long with these guys. I'm sure in his mind he is imagining a swath of bullet stone, and guys with drills routing out 3 finger pockets.
Plus I don't think he even sport climbs much anyway.
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caughtinside wrote: tripperjm wrote: caughtinside wrote: tripperjm wrote: caughtinside wrote: What is your view on knocking off jugs and holds to make the climb better harder? heh... nice won. yeah, just having a little fun in there. Ewe sure gots yore gnu best friend pedro awl wound up.... and ewe are rite..... he has know idea, even about his own backyard. I has to figure ewe noes.... but ifs knot, maybe ask him about, U Mounds, Parkside, Tram boulders, Bat Cave, Temple, Big Block, Woodie, Eerie, Three Gun, Crystal Cave, Socorro, TV Station, Rincon Ridge, Roy, Dirt Wall, Spock, Bob Marley, Palomas Peak, Satellite, Cochita Mesa, Datil, Squat, Diablo, Child of Light, Dope, Rose budd, Minutia... and ov course Screaming Jihad. I cud go on.... but that just shitz of teh top ov my hed. That shud throw him into a frenzy.... or maybes he just doesn't noes. Admititly, sum ov that shitz shudn't have been dicked with, cuz it wus on gud rock, but sum ov that shitz was just pure junk. heh. I've probably only heard of about half the stuff on your list, but it is a lengthy list. ANyway, I'm just about done in there. It's never worth arguing about the stuff long with these guys. I'm sure in his mind he is imagining a swath of bullet stone, and guys with drills routing out 3 finger pockets. Plus I don't think he even sport climbs much anyway.
Child of Light... may have to watch that classic footage of Goddard on that on Manderson's VHS this weekend!
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snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena.
Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips.
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camhead wrote: granite_grrl wrote: camhead wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. I'll see you gheys this weakend! Sorry that you have to resort to climbing at the Red again. Tell me about it. It will be fun, the New will be wet this weekend, and I could not justify driving down there by myself for a fourth time in a row, but it is still lame that nobody wants to go there, ever. Snupe just wants his homogenized jughauls, Lena thinks the New is too reachy, Dribble quit climbing, Trashie is getting durken in Jersey... it's sad, really.
Someone sounds bitter! Maybe you should quit climbing and take up bass fishing with banz. Fishing rods don't take up too much room in your dignity closet, if you decide to give it up later, too.
Besides, it is not that I don't want to go to the New, it is that I have a project elsewhere, and I am more siked on sending it than I am on getting on random stuff. And really, if you count my weekends, I spent more weekends at the Gnu than at the Red so far this year (will be even after this weekend).
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caughtinside
Oct 26, 2012, 9:50 PM
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lena_chita wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips.
That Dogleg is a big sandbag. That thing ruined me.
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camhead
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips. That Dogleg is a big sandbag. That thing ruined me.
whatevah. dogleg is awesome!
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips. That Dogleg is a big sandbag. That thing ruined me.
Yeah, hippocrite has similar types of moves, and is a shitload easier. Same rating.
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caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips. That Dogleg is a big sandbag. That thing ruined me.
Teh asiant asks how it compares to the exorcist
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snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips. That Dogleg is a big sandbag. That thing ruined me. Teh asiant asks how it compares to the exorcist
Well I fell on both and redpointed neither. Hard to say...
THe asiant? Does she still climb? I thought she gave up on her dreamz?
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caughtinside wrote: snoopy138 wrote: caughtinside wrote: lena_chita wrote: snoopy138 wrote: Bunch uv daze out here to catch up on. Monday: went to teh drive by carg. Fired teh naked lunch, a gnu rowt, in 3 tries. Walked over to bob marley at teh end uv teh day, tried teh dogleg. Got dominated, couldn't pull a couple of the big moves. Tuesday: teh zoo. 3 tries on scar tissue, fial. Took a b2b run on hippocrite at teh end, it felt very doable. Wednesday: rest day, climbed jewel pinnacle. Gud view, very easy climbing. Today: warmed up at volunteer wall:, then zent teh break the scene. Whoo! The 2x asiant did not zend like a Donny. Might go there Saturday morning before meeting up with Lena. Nice zend! You got lucky with gud weahter these last two weeks, but it looks like it is about to end. The Scene might not be Breaking this Saturday morning, it might be dripping instead. With very cold drips. That Dogleg is a big sandbag. That thing ruined me. Teh asiant asks how it compares to the exorcist Well I fell on both and redpointed neither. Hard to say... THe asiant? Does she still climb? I thought she gave up on her dreamz?
Pretty much. She did rp teh Like a Donny today.
Went to teh lode after that, was ale to get ale 8 down to 1.5 hangs (the 0.5 being grabbing the anchor draw).
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Gud, rainy, cold times at the Red River Gorge. Met up with Snupe and the Asiant. Drank beers, ate good food, watched an awesome movie about some Crocodile in Africa that was racist and terrible. Did get a bit annoyed at the line-up on Mercy the Huff this afternoon, but it was still fun.
Shaun was on fricking fire this weekend, sent his first one three of the season yesterday, then got his first 13b evar today. He had an interesting tactic of not really siege prodging anything this fall, but just building a pyramid with each climbing trip; last month he was just doing volumes of 12-'s, the gradually made it up to 12c last week, and then exploded this time. May have to try it next spring, instead of jumping right into siege prodging. Still, had a pretty good trip, got two twelves plus in two goes apiece. Will be psyched to get back to the Gnu next weekend.
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camhead wrote: Gud, rainy, cold times at the Red River Gorge. Met up with Snupe and the Asiant. Drank beers, ate good food, watched an awesome movie about some Crocodile in Africa that was racist and terrible. Did get a bit annoyed at the line-up on Mercy the Huff this afternoon, but it was still fun. Shaun was on fricking fire this weekend, sent his first one three of the season yesterday, then got his first 13b evar today. He had an interesting tactic of not really siege prodging anything this fall, but just building a pyramid with each climbing trip; last month he was just doing volumes of 12-'s, the gradually made it up to 12c last week, and then exploded this time. May have to try it next spring, instead of jumping right into siege prodging. Still, had a pretty good trip, got two twelves plus in two goes apiece. Will be psyched to get back to the Gnu next weekend.
My rain jacket is still dripping from the weekend -- did you need to add more?!
Other than the Gustaf the Crocodile movie, we seem to had completely different weekends. Mine was mostly miserable. Darn it, I really need to find someone to hang my draws for me on a regular basis.
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lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: Gud, rainy, cold times at the Red River Gorge. Met up with Snupe and the Asiant. Drank beers, ate good food, watched an awesome movie about some Crocodile in Africa that was racist and terrible. Did get a bit annoyed at the line-up on Mercy the Huff this afternoon, but it was still fun. Shaun was on fricking fire this weekend, sent his first one three of the season yesterday, then got his first 13b evar today. He had an interesting tactic of not really siege prodging anything this fall, but just building a pyramid with each climbing trip; last month he was just doing volumes of 12-'s, the gradually made it up to 12c last week, and then exploded this time. May have to try it next spring, instead of jumping right into siege prodging. Still, had a pretty good trip, got two twelves plus in two goes apiece. Will be psyched to get back to the Gnu next weekend. My rain jacket is still dripping from the weekend -- did you need to add more?! Other than the Gustaf the Crocodile movie, we seem to had completely different weekends. Mine was mostly miserable. Darn it, I really need to find someone to hang my draws for me on a regular basis.
I hung the draws on Mercy the Huff, but it was mostly for Shaun. Is this like training for Everest?
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lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: Gud, rainy, cold times at the Red River Gorge. Met up with Snupe and the Asiant. Drank beers, ate good food, watched an awesome movie about some Crocodile in Africa that was racist and terrible. Did get a bit annoyed at the line-up on Mercy the Huff this afternoon, but it was still fun. Shaun was on fricking fire this weekend, sent his first one three of the season yesterday, then got his first 13b evar today. He had an interesting tactic of not really siege prodging anything this fall, but just building a pyramid with each climbing trip; last month he was just doing volumes of 12-'s, the gradually made it up to 12c last week, and then exploded this time. May have to try it next spring, instead of jumping right into siege prodging. Still, had a pretty good trip, got two twelves plus in two goes apiece. Will be psyched to get back to the Gnu next weekend. My rain jacket is still dripping from the weekend -- did you need to add more?! Other than the Gustaf the Crocodile movie, we seem to had completely different weekends. Mine was mostly miserable. Darn it, I really need to find someone to hang my draws for me on a regular basis.
You guys stay at the Manderson cabin? I was totally bummed the weekend I left that I forgot my coffee there (I think) so I hope someone found it and enjoyed it!
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granite_grrl wrote: lena_chita wrote: camhead wrote: Gud, rainy, cold times at the Red River Gorge. Met up with Snupe and the Asiant. Drank beers, ate good food, watched an awesome movie about some Crocodile in Africa that was racist and terrible. Did get a bit annoyed at the line-up on Mercy the Huff this afternoon, but it was still fun. Shaun was on fricking fire this weekend, sent his first one three of the season yesterday, then got his first 13b evar today. He had an interesting tactic of not really siege prodging anything this fall, but just building a pyramid with each climbing trip; last month he was just doing volumes of 12-'s, the gradually made it up to 12c last week, and then exploded this time. May have to try it next spring, instead of jumping right into siege prodging. Still, had a pretty good trip, got two twelves plus in two goes apiece. Will be psyched to get back to the Gnu next weekend. My rain jacket is still dripping from the weekend -- did you need to add more?! Other than the Gustaf the Crocodile movie, we seem to had completely different weekends. Mine was mostly miserable. Darn it, I really need to find someone to hang my draws for me on a regular basis. You guys stay at the Manderson cabin? I was totally bummed the weekend I left that I forgot my coffee there (I think) so I hope someone found it and enjoyed it!
Hmm, I think that I left my kawfee there, too, this past weekend. Probably for the best, because last month, we ran out of coffee there, and had to scavenge some of Janelle's that was in the cupboard.
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