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tripperjm


Mar 6, 2013, 12:42 AM
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Man, I haven't had such a lazy Sunday in ages! Feels good to be lazy once in a while. Made some progress on my jean quilt. it would be nice to finally have it done, bc my "design board" is my bedroom floor.

Went to the gym this afternoon to do some wall stripping and setting. The request was for a "hard" route. It is difficult for me to gauge the grade while setting, and it has happened more than once that i have planned to make a hard route and ended up with a moderate that requires some tweaking to "harden"
it. So I finish setting, and ask a guy to give me a catch. Run though the route, it turned out really nice, flows well, but I think, maybe not quite hard, maybe hard minus... Which in our gym-speak corresponds to ~11b/c.

Meanwhile, a visiting guy has been walking circles around the construction cones, dying to try this new route. So he get's on it, and falls on the 1st move. And 3rd move, and 5th move, and 6th move... you get the idea. Comes down and pronounces it to be a "solid 5.12, really sustained, one hard move after another". Not sure, if you can call a 25ft climb a sustained anything, but... heh! Another guy gets on it, same thing... apparently it is harder than I thought. They both like the route, at least that much is good. But now I am wondering if my difficulty gauge really needs recalibrating, or if I had just set one of those "easy-for-people-between-4'10"-and-5'2"-difficult-for-everyone-else" routes.

Grading gym routes. Such a fun exercise!

We have the setters post up what they think the route is/should be, then go 1-2 letters above and below and have check-boxes next to the grades. After a week, the highest grade is set and that's what the route is graded. Keeps routes appropriately graded.

I think that gym routes should go through double-blind peer review processes for grading. Actually, that should go for outside routes, too. It really is the only sensible option.

Well then yore knot gunna like teh grades at teh hole.

He'll like the Big Tony grades.

Thing iz... if we goes by Big Tony's grades, sure we feel gud about ourselves but it just doesn't add up.

per Big Tony, teh Drive By iz won three bee, so then teh Gangbanger and Smash an Grab, both too grades harder wood bee dee's and teh Ghettobird, a grade harder wood be a won four a. And I'm saying, I don't carez how many tries I took or how many months it took me to due each ov them, even on my best day, I have never dun a won three dee let alone a won four a.

sides, there iz nothing rong with stiff grades.


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Mar 6, 2013, 12:47 AM
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I haz to somehow average 15 posts a day for the next month or so. So you bitches need to entahtainz me to make it easier. that is awl

do ewe lose your green jacket if you don't get to 10k in time?

Nah. Just more of my digniteh

Dignitty? Hipster please...yore posting in teh BET!

You missed the reference Donny. Go back to page 1 of the original thread. Let us know when you have caught up. Should only take a couple of years.

It's pretty obvious, dispite trashys claim to have read teh entire thread, he's a lyeing sub 5k sack... cuz that wus an easy won.

Bottom feeders gunna bottom feed...

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=1363039#1363039

sighs

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Mar 6, 2013, 12:52 AM
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hurt my knee in teh gym yesterday, not too bad though (I don't think). was using my left foot pretty high and with my leg turned in in order to make a clip, made a couple more moves, another clip, then fell off. lowered off and noticed some somewhat intense pain on the inside of my left knee. walked around a bit, belayed, and it pretty much went away. got on another route, and it required a similar type of left foot action to hold myself in while on the roof. could feel it hurting so came off and stopped climbing.

pretty sure it's a grade 1 (minor) MCL sprain, based on location and type of movement that hurt it. gonna go to jtree on sunday, then probably take a week or two off.

Knot to werry....

it just gets worse.

as it turns owt, we are gunna bee at josh two... we're heading owt two Lenticular dome to due Mental Physics, why dun't ewe hike owt and meet us?


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Both toenails on the big toes of my feet are coming off. My knee is wrapped and in intense pain whenever I move it or walk. Vitamin I has little effect on the reduction of pain. There isn't swelling. I've been pushing it hard for the past few weeks. Lost some weight got some training in.

I wrecked myself. I tried to take it easy this week, but that didn't work. Over use injury on my already crippled right knee. I've got bone-on-bone in half of it and it's telling me I've gone tuphar.

Falling apart, are you?

I am sore as hell after starting PE and over-enthusiastically climbing 3 days in a row.
In the effort to lose blort and and maybe find some of my long lost dignity I started training. I got a bit too ambitious last week and am feeling the effects now. I'm going to be sequestered to the stationary bike and low-impact training. From the sounds of it, we're all starting to fall apart...

ewe guys are funny.... 30 year olds complaining about falling apart.


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tripperjm wrote:
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Dammit, Lena, J teh boi facefriended drivel but knot me!

Also, boring gnus. Ice storm last night, not sure how the roads are. Driving to Atlanta today for some interviews, driving was cheaper than flying. I finally broke down and learned how to tie a tie yesterday, which I'd successfully avoided for the past few decades. Did you guys know that the first google autocomplete you get for "how do you..." is "tie a tie?"

that is awl.

Boston, Atlanta and DC? You're checking out all the climbing hotspots.

probibly has an interview lined up in chicago, two.
I hope he gets the Omaha jorb.

somebody at teh red was telling us about the tons of sick limestonez in iowa that nobody knows about/pays attention to ... might have been eastern iowa, though.

guys used to spritz about it on the knob years back. Probably your standard 35' riverbank crumbly limestone, but who knows. There's a few gems or Euro Vacations just about everywhere.

yeah, GG was quite skeptical, but the guy was adamant that it was the gratest shit ever. 75', sick overhanging, etc. who nose.
I don't remember any of this.

it was the guy talking to us at the Shire, over by KSB (the fun 10d with all the iron-pulling)

Oh yeah. I think I was happier not remember that conversation.

Seriously, was the guy bald, late 30s, with a cigarette rasp in his voice?

Kinetic Tony has done some Iowa developement. The rock looks decent. Not enough for a trip, but if I was ever taking a leisurely drive across I-80 I would check it out. Of course, everytime I'm driving through Iowa I have nothing on my mind but getting the fuck out of there.

I don't believe so.

So that rules out Troy, but not Tony. Tony wouldn't be acting like a gerk. In fact, he would be positively brimming with enthusiasm and offering to take you on a tour... Did the guy have any cliff bar signs on his gear? As in, ALL over his gear?

If not, then we just discovered that there is a 3rd guy who knows about the secret radness of Iowa limestone. Angelic

I think this guy was leading a group of gumbies who were lurving the Shire.

also accurate

Hey, you wouldn't have met a group of newbs who were lurving the Shire you you two weren't ALSO at the Shire.

Just saying...

yes, and it turned out that (a) it's on the way over to Amarillo and Samurai (one of the many gnu proj's I picked up that trip), and (b) that KSB rowt is a kickass warmup.

The n00b wall on the shire is not good warmup, though.

that was a gud day, actually ... KSB was fun, fell off towards the end of the left traverse on my onsite attempt of Amarillo, zent on try 2, took a beatdown figuring out the boulder porblem on samurai, then went across the valley and zent the Citizen's Arete (2nd try of the day, after hanging draws on try 1).

Citizens arête was Lena's mega proj earlier. I think it finally went down after a few years work.

well, I have a sneaking suspicion that she went off rowt in the middle and never actually zent.

Oh really? Well, keep your suspicions to yourself, unless you have photos to prove it!

this sounds a bit like a tacit admission.

We awl noes she cheated herself.... cuz that's whut no-talent, sawed oft sprayers due.

I dunno. I think that if Lena was going to cheat herself on Citzen's Arete she would have done it in one of the first half dozen redpoint burns she took.

And the hangboreding tawk is almost over. Been doing more actual climbing, and I think I am going to name my pins Anderson Cooper, Adam Lambert, and Lance Bass, because those bad boys are COMING OUT on Friday. HeyOOO!!!

Awww, someone came to my defense! I am touched!

It's O.K., bitter old guys prefer clipbored to hangbored, it happens with age. We will all be there someday.

And yay! on the pins coming out. But... you are taking them out the same day you are flying across country? Isn't it a bit.... I dunno, poorly planned?

knot so much like bitter, more like discusted

hummm.... yore compairing a hunk ov moulded fiberglass resin to teh CLIPBORED>?????

PLEASE.... Much like teh bible, teh Torah, teh tablet Moses brought down from teh mountain, teh Declaration ov Independence, Teh clipbored contains teh history ov teh BET.


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ooh gramps is back and pissed at all you kids on his lawn.

Ewe noes sumtin I don't like LJ gots his gf preggers?

and knot so much pissed about teh kids on my lawn, cuz nobody wunts to sit in my old dusty chair in teh corner...

more like pissed about teh endless spray and flies buzzing about.

speaking uv witch...

yore teh old guy on the lawn, with teh sprinklers going off all the time, leaving stagnant puddles that bring in teh mosquitoes.

Eye sea.... so that's how yore gunna play it?

checks teh clipbored to make sure that snoppy's near teh top ov teh list ov losers to shoot in teh fase before eye die


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Mar 6, 2013, 1:43 AM
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snoopy138 wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
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biweekly hangbored report:

Had a really good sesh today. Am up to 35 lbs added on all three and four-finger holds, though am still a bit behind on my shallow two-fingered nemeses. But the 35 lb thing is a milestone, because it means I'm climbing as if I'm 200 lbs. I may actually start easing off on the weight a bit, though, since I don't want to peak too soon (I always have a problem of, wait, no never mind). And, if I start doing less weight, it will start becoming more of an endurance kind of thing, which will benefit the spring RRG season.

Which really depresses me, that there will be a spring RRG season; unfortunately, the combination of in tents footwork and ledgy terrain at the NRG just scares me, so this spring may be more steep thuggy stuff to get back into it. Oh well.

Also, LENA! Have you tried what the Beastmaker guys call "Encores"? It's basically Frenchies for the hangbored: with each rep, you do a different elbow angle. Manderson was skeptical about them because the changes of angle result in not enough maximum load on your fingers for each set, but I'm thinking that, since I cannot climb otherwise, it is simulating more the strength that I need not just to hold a grip, but to pull and move off of it. Erie Guardless, they're pretty hard.

Ok, that's awl. I had such a good sesh, and Drivel is out of town, that I'm going to _____, eat some ice cream, and watch some netflix.

Muthuh fuckahs.

Awl I heard wus.... spray, spray, spray, I'm a dirty little bitch.

I see tripper jim is verging on respectibility

knot so much like respectibility,

more like 10k loser....



I'm so pathetic,

on so many levels.

probibly knot even on teh front page ov teh top losers....

speaking about teh top loser list,

anybody gots a link?

awl teh 10k losers are on the first page.

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...=user_posts;so=DESC;

Damn!!!!1

That's an impressive list ov losers.

Knot sure ifs it a gud thing or knot....

But teh BET REPRESENTS!!!1,

past and present.

Ate owt ov teh top ten losers.

BAM!!!1 Motherfukers

there was a short while (the initial CA invazhun) when jay tee was posting in here.

Well sunny wus posting hear two.... but I'm knot sure ifs either wonov them qualify.


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Both toenails on the big toes of my feet are coming off. My knee is wrapped and in intense pain whenever I move it or walk. Vitamin I has little effect on the reduction of pain. There isn't swelling. I've been pushing it hard for the past few weeks. Lost some weight got some training in.

I wrecked myself. I tried to take it easy this week, but that didn't work. Over use injury on my already crippled right knee. I've got bone-on-bone in half of it and it's telling me I've gone tuphar.

running is so much fun

yore idea ov fun and mine are knot teh same


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macherry wrote:
tripperjm wrote:
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tripperjm wrote:
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biweekly hangbored report:

Had a really good sesh today. Am up to 35 lbs added on all three and four-finger holds, though am still a bit behind on my shallow two-fingered nemeses. But the 35 lb thing is a milestone, because it means I'm climbing as if I'm 200 lbs. I may actually start easing off on the weight a bit, though, since I don't want to peak too soon (I always have a problem of, wait, no never mind). And, if I start doing less weight, it will start becoming more of an endurance kind of thing, which will benefit the spring RRG season.

Which really depresses me, that there will be a spring RRG season; unfortunately, the combination of in tents footwork and ledgy terrain at the NRG just scares me, so this spring may be more steep thuggy stuff to get back into it. Oh well.

Also, LENA! Have you tried what the Beastmaker guys call "Encores"? It's basically Frenchies for the hangbored: with each rep, you do a different elbow angle. Manderson was skeptical about them because the changes of angle result in not enough maximum load on your fingers for each set, but I'm thinking that, since I cannot climb otherwise, it is simulating more the strength that I need not just to hold a grip, but to pull and move off of it. Erie Guardless, they're pretty hard.

Ok, that's awl. I had such a good sesh, and Drivel is out of town, that I'm going to _____, eat some ice cream, and watch some netflix.

Muthuh fuckahs.

Awl I heard wus.... spray, spray, spray, I'm a dirty little bitch.

I see tripper jim is verging on respectibility

knot so much like respectibility,

more like 10k loser....



I'm so pathetic,

on so many levels.

probibly knot even on teh front page ov teh top losers....

speaking about teh top loser list,

anybody gots a link?

awl teh 10k losers are on the first page.

http://www.rockclimbing.com/...=user_posts;so=DESC;

Damn!!!!1

That's an impressive list ov losers.

Knot sure ifs it a gud thing or knot....

But teh BET REPRESENTS!!!1,

past and present.

Ate owt ov teh top ten losers.

BAM!!!1 Motherfukers

top female poster



woo hoo

gongradulations....


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So I cut off my hair this morning.

*Jack shitz pantz with rage.*

This news saddens me.


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this GU may take me a bit but bear with me, I'm going to champion my way throo it.

please don't

yore a little late. please dew try and keep up. I haZ teh PT?

Sea... just another reason I no ewe lies about reading teh ENTIRE BET. cuz if's ewe had ewe wood noes tyme stands still in teh BET,and when ewe are on teh GU.... and I dun't carez about teh PT.

maybes ewe shood just run along nau.... before sumbody drops a house on ewe?
I'm hoping he moves to florida and gets sucked down a sinkhole.

moving to Florida wood serve him rite, getting sucked down a sinkhole wood be icing on teh cake.


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good christ this place is dead!

We are knot hear to entertain ewe


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good christ this place is dead!

We've circled the wagons to protect from teh crazies.

It iz knot going to be enough to keep teh crazies owt


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I was on my way back from ouray when I 70 got closed so now were spending the night in Beaver Creek. I'm getting drunk on sake bombs then going to pier one. Whoop!


This may be a drinking iPhone posting kind of night. If I say anything offensive it's because of autocorrect I swear.

I did not have sexual relations with that woman.

but ifs ewe did have sexual relations with that woman, ewe wood post pic's?


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Man, that deletion hammer came quickly... I posted a your mom joke to the Is climbing vandalism thread, and it got disappeared within minutes.


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I'm on day 4 of rest. My knee isn't getting better and I don't know if it's getting worse. Elevation helps for a bit. I was thinking of icing it, but it's not visibly swollen. Hurts like all hell, and Motrin only seems to help a little. It pops from time to time, but nothing is substantial enough to be non-weight bearing.

shit

At teh risk ov being poynted and laughed at.... ewe shood be icing, visably swollen or knot.

snoppy shood be two.

I'm just saying


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Ran hills in the clinic last night. The best/worst thing about hills is that you get to run down them after you run up them.

Also picked up one of those foam roller things to self massage my upper butt.

I'm more ov an ass, man.... and isn't self massage kinda like masterbation?


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ended up not actually climbing this weke end. will probibly take next weke end oft as well, hopefully the knee gets better.

heh... well we didn't actually go to josh either.

Spent teh weekend in a hole getting bouted in near perfect conditions.


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Man, that deletion hammer came quickly... I posted a your mom joke to the Is climbing vandalism thread, and it got disappeared within minutes.

They are on to ewe... better start running


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I'm on day 4 of rest. My knee isn't getting better and I don't know if it's getting worse. Elevation helps for a bit. I was thinking of icing it, but it's not visibly swollen. Hurts like all hell, and Motrin only seems to help a little. It pops from time to time, but nothing is substantial enough to be non-weight bearing.

shit

At teh risk ov being poynted and laughed at.... ewe shood be icing, visably swollen or knot.

snoppy shood be two.

I'm just saying

durp, have been icing a couple times a day.


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ooh gramps is back and pissed at all you kids on his lawn.

Ewe noes sumtin I don't like LJ gots his gf preggers?

and knot so much pissed about teh kids on my lawn, cuz nobody wunts to sit in my old dusty chair in teh corner...

more like pissed about teh endless spray and flies buzzing about.

speaking uv witch...

yore teh old guy on the lawn, with teh sprinklers going off all the time, leaving stagnant puddles that bring in teh mosquitoes.

Eye sea.... so that's how yore gunna play it?

checks teh clipbored to make sure that snoppy's near teh top ov teh list ov losers to shoot in teh fase before eye die

since apparently the point was missed ... ewe are the old guy, the Ohioans are the sprinklers, and teh mosquitoes should be self-explanatory.


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Man, that deletion hammer came quickly... I posted a your mom joke to the Is climbing vandalism thread, and it got disappeared within minutes.

They are on to ewe... better start running

let's just hope they don't start banzing us for all being different accounts uv teh same guy.


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I'm on day 4 of rest. My knee isn't getting better and I don't know if it's getting worse. Elevation helps for a bit. I was thinking of icing it, but it's not visibly swollen. Hurts like all hell, and Motrin only seems to help a little. It pops from time to time, but nothing is substantial enough to be non-weight bearing.

shit

At teh risk ov being poynted and laughed at.... ewe shood be icing, visably swollen or knot.

snoppy shood be two.

I'm just saying

durp, have been icing a couple times a day.

nods


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Both toenails on the big toes of my feet are coming off. My knee is wrapped and in intense pain whenever I move it or walk. Vitamin I has little effect on the reduction of pain. There isn't swelling. I've been pushing it hard for the past few weeks. Lost some weight got some training in.

I wrecked myself. I tried to take it easy this week, but that didn't work. Over use injury on my already crippled right knee. I've got bone-on-bone in half of it and it's telling me I've gone tuphar.

Falling apart, are you?

I am sore as hell after starting PE and over-enthusiastically climbing 3 days in a row.
In the effort to lose blort and and maybe find some of my long lost dignity I started training. I got a bit too ambitious last week and am feeling the effects now. I'm going to be sequestered to the stationary bike and low-impact training. From the sounds of it, we're all starting to fall apart...

ewe guys are funny.... 30 year olds complaining about falling apart.
My knee has been held together by Big League Chewing Gum, Bailing Wire, and Duct tape since 1995. I don't feel it due to the constant vitamin-i and aspirin regimen. Unfortunately I may be in for a cortisone shot this time around. Things aren't getting better no matter how much ice, elevation, and rest I've been giving it. Unsure

yeah, this 30 something has been dealing with it for 18 years.... Though I'm probably not as broken as you.


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Re: [snoopy138] No more Mr Nice Guy!!!1 [In reply to]
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macherry wrote:
ooh gramps is back and pissed at all you kids on his lawn.

Ewe noes sumtin I don't like LJ gots his gf preggers?

and knot so much pissed about teh kids on my lawn, cuz nobody wunts to sit in my old dusty chair in teh corner...

more like pissed about teh endless spray and flies buzzing about.

speaking uv witch...

yore teh old guy on the lawn, with teh sprinklers going off all the time, leaving stagnant puddles that bring in teh mosquitoes.

Eye sea.... so that's how yore gunna play it?

checks teh clipbored to make sure that snoppy's near teh top ov teh list ov losers to shoot in teh fase before eye die

since apparently the point was missed ... ewe are the old guy, the Ohioans are the sprinklers, and teh mosquitoes should be self-explanatory.

I got it... tried to think ov sumthin witty... but cood't, so I just went with a classic.

sides, at this poynt, it's awlways gud to make sure teh list is up to date.... might kneed it on short notice.

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