Guess I'll play this game a little longer.

The top guys in the sport do not need specific shoes to climb the world's hardest climbs. I agree. But doesn't that also means the average climber does not need specific shoes to climb average climbs?

And unlimited free shoes is nice - but if Mad Rock was really as bad as some people on this site claim, why would anyone use them? People talk as if the shoes themselves will some how make your climbing ability go down...

I also know people who have blown out shoes in weeks, from different brands. It is generally technique. Likewise, I've seen people climb very hard in all different brands, and it is generally technique. Good footwork can make any pair of shoes last.

And w/ the manufacturing - many companies manufacture in China and SE Asia. Sportiva's site lists factories in China and Vietnam. It does not automatically mean that quality will be low; how many products in general get made overseas and used in the U.S.? How many climbing shoe companies manufacture overseas also?

Caldwell ripped apart several pairs of Miuras on one trip on El Cap. Does that mean they are poorly made?

People would have a more favorable opinion of Mad Rock if they realized that their shoes were actually manufactured by Mad Rock, even if they are a different brand.

Interesting. Do you have links to support this? Does MR make the shoes, or do they all get made by some sweat shop who also happens to make MR?

Mad Rock puts out a lot of shoes at a decently low price, yet can climb well - there is no reason that one couldn't climb 5.13 in basic Flashes.

Been there, done that.

I have no issues (through 5 years?) at all with workmanship on MR shoes. Now their ropebag on the other hand... If I were to do that again, I would prob just spring for another Metolius. The difference in quality between the two is much larger than the price difference.

That's what I'm saying.

I don't care about the shoes but their rope bag, haulbag, harnesses, and biners are nowhere near the quality of the other brands. Not even close.

Makes me wonder about their hangers.

Jay

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If you are not ok with the last part however, be carefull! they are not the only ones producing in china. Even a lot of the italians have production lines in china for their cheaper stuff.

qwert

Seeing as the hangers have no gate, they should be fine.

...I know a lot of people who have MR shoes, harnesses and biners and none have ever had a problem with any of them...

Liar.

Curt

Ooh come on, any more hints you can give us? :D This sounds juicy..

Really, really... sez who? I would have to agree that one of the rope bags I owned left a lot to be desired. The quality of the stitching was sub par. I do prefer my Metolius rope bags. Other than that, please inform me of a noted failure of one of the other quoted products. Which biner has ever failed? Please, any incident report? Anytime there have been recalls with MR biners? Any of them? Any reports of them falling apart? How about those lousy harnesses? Anything? How many haul bags of theirs have you used that have fallen apart? How many reported haul bag failures have there been on a wall?
You people are so fucin stupid! Haters! They generally have good products with great prices, period.
They are a company that makes shoes and other climbing products that I have used extensively for years and have never had a problem. Never a problem with the chalk bags, slings, belay device, chalk pod or biners (locking & non-locking). Never. I know a lot of people who have MR shoes, harnesses and biners and none have ever had a problem with any of them. I have owned 5.10, Boreal, La Sportiva, Evolve and Mad Rock shoes. The only ones that ever let me down were the Boreal & La Sportiva.
The only time that I have heard criticisms about the quality of the products it is from one retailer and ALL the rest have been from individuals who have never used a single MR product, rather they have HEARD this and/or that or from choads like you. So “Angry”, you dumb fuc, how many of their biners that you have owned have failed? Which harness do you have that has failed? How many of their haul bags do you own that have blown out. You and your type make me want to puke? Ignorant, inbred, misinformation inciting, choads! And I’m trying to be nice.

Dude joined the site to attack someone who doesn't even post here anymore. Classy.

Now the flame wars have frozen (?)...

Has anyone used Climb X shoes recently?? Bought/tried some, and able to give me an honest pro/con opinion?

Live in China now and they are pretty cheap. Almost everyone here seems to climb in them. Most are using the simple entry level Climb X "beginner" shoes, and some are even boosting up things that are 8a, 8b...

My first two pairs of shoes were MadRock shoes (locos), Complaints: took a while to wear in/soften the hard sole for grip, and everything that was superficial and could fall off without the performance being effected did fall off.

Other than that meh, they were a climbing shoe that suited my foot.

Gone through a few 5.10s and la sportivas since then.

Is it just shoe eliteism that makes me hesitate or will I be disappointed with a $50 dollar purchase?

Makes me wonder about their hangers.

Jay