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veganclimber


Jul 9, 2010, 3:48 AM
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hafilax wrote:
Speaking of factorials, I learned a new notation from my students this year while working with Bessel functions: n!!=n!(n+1)!. Didn't know that one before and almost marked them wrong thinking it meant (n!)!. I knew that the student is smarter than me so I looked it up. He did better than the prof who kept giving me wrong answers in the solution guides.

That's interesting. I have seen a different definition:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DoubleFactorial.html


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Jul 9, 2010, 5:37 AM
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veganclimber wrote:
hafilax wrote:
Speaking of factorials, I learned a new notation from my students this year while working with Bessel functions: n!!=n!(n+1)!. Didn't know that one before and almost marked them wrong thinking it meant (n!)!. I knew that the student is smarter than me so I looked it up. He did better than the prof who kept giving me wrong answers in the solution guides.

That's interesting. I have seen a different definition:

http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DoubleFactorial.html
Yours is right and mine is wrong. Should have looked it up again. The old memory isn't what it used to be.


skiclimb


Jul 9, 2010, 7:04 AM
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truello wrote:
skiclimb wrote:
petsfed wrote:
By comparison, factorial grows at a snail's pace.

And I am aware of the definition of flops, Tristan. There's just a difference between FLOPs (FLoating-point OPerations) and FLOPS (FLoating-point Operations Per Second) which creates some ambiguity.

Perhaps... hell it's been years since i really had to use statistics..

Look at it this way...

S_3 = 19683
3! = 6

Gotcha now..just had never seen that notation..and was really drunk when reading this post first time..

i'm only slightly drunk atm.. the notation is nifty but is there a real world application? what situation would such notation be representative of

hell it would graph for all intents and purposes as a vertical line with a very short pause in front. hmm kinda cool though that it still would have an x value to infinity .. so its a vertical line with infinite width..lol

Question since we have these related types of notation is there a notation for

the concept being 3^0+3^1+3^2+3^3 other integers folowing same pattern?


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Jul 9, 2010, 5:42 PM
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skiclimb wrote:
truello wrote:
skiclimb wrote:
petsfed wrote:
By comparison, factorial grows at a snail's pace.

And I am aware of the definition of flops, Tristan. There's just a difference between FLOPs (FLoating-point OPerations) and FLOPS (FLoating-point Operations Per Second) which creates some ambiguity.

Perhaps... hell it's been years since i really had to use statistics..

Look at it this way...

S_3 = 19683
3! = 6

Gotcha now..just had never seen that notation..and was really drunk when reading this post first time..

i'm only slightly drunk atm.. the notation is nifty but is there a real world application? what situation would such notation be representative of

hell it would graph for all intents and purposes as a vertical line with a very short pause in front. hmm kinda cool though that it still would have an x value to infinity .. so its a vertical line with infinite width..lol

Question since we have these related types of notation is there a notation for

the concept being 3^0+3^1+3^2+3^3 other integers folowing same pattern?

Since that one is just summing, its pretty easy.

Your core expression is x^n, and you just have a sum of all the possible integer n's from zero to infinity. Unfortunately, I'm having real difficulty finding a way to express that on a computer screen without using an exterior program.


jt512


Jul 9, 2010, 6:30 PM
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petsfed wrote:
skiclimb wrote:
truello wrote:
skiclimb wrote:
petsfed wrote:
By comparison, factorial grows at a snail's pace.

And I am aware of the definition of flops, Tristan. There's just a difference between FLOPs (FLoating-point OPerations) and FLOPS (FLoating-point Operations Per Second) which creates some ambiguity.

Perhaps... hell it's been years since i really had to use statistics..

Look at it this way...

S_3 = 19683
3! = 6

Gotcha now..just had never seen that notation..and was really drunk when reading this post first time..

i'm only slightly drunk atm.. the notation is nifty but is there a real world application? what situation would such notation be representative of

hell it would graph for all intents and purposes as a vertical line with a very short pause in front. hmm kinda cool though that it still would have an x value to infinity .. so its a vertical line with infinite width..lol

Question since we have these related types of notation is there a notation for

the concept being 3^0+3^1+3^2+3^3 other integers folowing same pattern?

Since that one is just summing, its pretty easy.

Your core expression is x^n, and you just have a sum of all the possible integer n's from zero to infinity. Unfortunately, I'm having real difficulty finding a way to express that on a computer screen without using an exterior program.

I think what he's looking for is this:




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tex2png -T -c '$\forall n \in \{1,2,3,\ldots\}\; S_n = \sum_{m=0}^{n}n^m$'


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hafilax


Jul 9, 2010, 7:36 PM
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I think the sum goes to n instead of infinity.


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Jul 9, 2010, 7:39 PM
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hafilax wrote:
I think the sum goes to n instead of infinity.

Yeah, I just realized that that was what he meant, and I changed it while you were posting.

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