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justroberto
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All of that is true, and yet most of those accidents still seem to be from belaying errors and miscommunication, not gear/headspace/routefinding issues. Honestly, I hope the recent accidents there are just an anomaly and everything mellows out there again.
Anyways, thanks for the level-headed response.
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rangerrob
Oct 6, 2010, 3:24 AM
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I only know of one accident at the Gunks in the recent past, and that's the one that prompted this thread. What are you refering to?
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carabiner96
Oct 6, 2010, 12:59 PM
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rangerrob wrote: I only know of one accident at the Gunks in the recent past, and that's the one that prompted this thread. What are you refering to?
Any of the three or four (maybe five?? I can't keep track, it's sad) in the last month or two, I'm sure.
Too be fair, it's been a bad summer in general, maybe they're all just smooshing together in my aging brain.
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acorneau
Oct 6, 2010, 2:40 PM
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WHERE IS MAJID WHEN YOU NEED HIM?!?!?
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carabiner96
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Thanks, I was feeling way too lazy.
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zchandran
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blueeyedclimber wrote: I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it.
What might actually make a difference is posting accident reports at the crag itself. Make up an 8.5x11" flyer for each accident (including the injuries) and put it up on the bulletin board. The casual climbers usually have no idea how many accidents there really are, and specifically how many are caused by miscommunication.
Earlier this year I saw a guy get to the top of a sport single pitch, grab the chains, and before even clipping in shout "I'm on the anchor!". His belayer who was not in line of sight immediately took him off belay. What's scary is that after I told the belayer, and the climber made it down safely, they just laughed it off and went on about their day.
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theguy
Oct 6, 2010, 3:55 PM
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blueeyedclimber wrote: you have dreamy, rippling muscles
Why thank you sir, I was getting a little jealous of all the man-love Sharma gets on rc.com. PM me later, or just call my 900 number 
blueeyedclimber wrote: merely speculating, as I am, of the OP's intent. I guess the only way to know for sure is to ask...There,...was that so hard?
Apparently harder for you than rushing to judgment first 
imnotclever wrote: How is this confusing? Another.
Ding! Ding! Even someone who's not clever could figure it out 
justroberto wrote: You've missed the boat, dude. The asshole thread was a comment on the increasing number of "listen to what this asshole did to me this weekend, isn't that terrible?" threads.
...and was right.
So, Mr. Sinatra, your reading comprehension seems poor, and you rush to judgment before asking questions. I really hope that "shaper of young minds" doesn't refer to teaching... if so, consider a new career with the police: they need folks like you
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erisspirit
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happiegrrrl wrote: iron106 wrote: 2011 Newest climbing book. Assholes in North American Mountaineering This WOULD be a funny read. As for the dude who fell this last weekend - best wishes to them for a quick recovery. As for the person's family reading the thread(which they very well may) - I guess the fact that the person wasn't more seriously injured or killed probably makes it less difficult, should they come across this thread. Unfortunately, even in situations where people have died, some asshole from the internet is sure to make a comment such as being rebutted here. Maybe the 2012 book could be "Assholes of the Internet Prattling On Over Accidents in North American Mountaineering"
Doesn't have the same ring to it
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BobfartsII
Oct 6, 2010, 5:55 PM
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justroberto wrote: Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."
Well if they bolted all the boulder problems with bolts spaced about every 3 feet to make it feel like, ohhh I don't know, maybe reimers ranch, then maybe this wouldn't be such a problem and we would all be badass climbers like you.
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jt512
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blueeyedclimber wrote: Very poor taste.
Agreed. Let's do it.
Jay
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jt512
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justroberto wrote: Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend."
Just as I was beginning to think that the art of trolling was dead.
Very nice work.
Jay
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blueeyedclimber
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theguy wrote: ...and was right. So, Mr. Sinatra, your reading comprehension seems poor, and you rush to judgment before asking questions. I really hope that "shaper of young minds" doesn't refer to teaching... if so, consider a new career with the police: they need folks like you
Well, Roberto did say he was talking more about the assholes who get butthurtz and want everyone to console them. I just have one question. Why would he title the thread Gunks Accident this Weekend? He either is lying or as Jay suggests, is trolling. Probably the latter.
As for shaping young minds, why can't I just stay in teaching and pull out my gun. In fact, that sounds fairly effective.
Just to sum up: My reading comprehension is poor due to the fact that I thought Roberto was referencing the Gunks Accident this Weekend in a thread titled "Gunks Accident this Weekend." Does that sound right?
Josh
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blueeyedclimber wrote: theguy wrote: ...and was right. So, Mr. Sinatra, your reading comprehension seems poor, and you rush to judgment before asking questions. I really hope that "shaper of young minds" doesn't refer to teaching... if so, consider a new career with the police: they need folks like youWell, Roberto did say he was talking more about the assholes who get butthurtz and want everyone to console them. I just have one question. Why would he title the thread Gunks Accident this Weekend? He either is lying or as Jay suggests, is trolling. Probably the latter. As for shaping young minds, why can't I just stay in teaching and pull out my gun. In fact, that sounds fairly effective. Just to sum up: My reading comprehension is poor due to the fact that I thought Roberto was referencing the Gunks Accident this Weekend in a thread titled "Gunks Accident this Weekend." Does that sound right? Josh
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rangerrob
Oct 6, 2010, 8:13 PM
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Jake, thanksfor that accident list, but you can take the knuckleheads who needed to be rescued off of Madame G's off that list. That WAS NOT an accident. That was irresponsible behavior. No one was hurt. No one was in danger of becoming hurt. They just didn't want to figure it out for themselves.
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ensonik
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rangerrob wrote: Jake, thanksfor that accident list, but you can take the knuckleheads who needed to be rescued off of Madame G's off that list. That WAS NOT an accident. That was irresponsible behavior. No one was hurt. No one was in danger of becoming hurt. They just didn't want to figure it out for themselves.
You never did give us the full story. Right about now seems appropriate.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/...post=2387988#2387988
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jakedatc
Oct 6, 2010, 10:14 PM
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rangerrob wrote: Jake, thanksfor that accident list, but you can take the knuckleheads who needed to be rescued off of Madame G's off that list. That WAS NOT an accident. That was irresponsible behavior. No one was hurt. No one was in danger of becoming hurt. They just didn't want to figure it out for themselves.
They called 911, kept ambulances and rescuers at the Slime lot until 1am. I think it still counts. and yes you owe us a story dammit ;)
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justroberto
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BobfartsII wrote: justroberto wrote: Can we make this sticky? Every Monday people can come in and report on what happened the previous weekend. Then there can be another sticky for "Gunks Asshole This Weekend." Well if they bolted all the boulder problems with bolts spaced about every 3 feet to make it feel like, ohhh I don't know, maybe reimers ranch, then maybe this wouldn't be such a problem and we would all be badass climbers like you.
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zchandran wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it. What might actually make a difference is posting accident reports at the crag itself. Make up an 8.5x11" flyer for each accident (including the injuries) and put it up on the bulletin board. The casual climbers usually have no idea how many accidents there really are, and specifically how many are caused by miscommunication.
Jesus fucking christ man! Do you want to be personally responsible for the destruction of the forests with the amount of paper that would require?
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dr_feelgood wrote: zchandran wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it. What might actually make a difference is posting accident reports at the crag itself. Make up an 8.5x11" flyer for each accident (including the injuries) and put it up on the bulletin board. The casual climbers usually have no idea how many accidents there really are, and specifically how many are caused by miscommunication. Jesus fucking christ man! Do you want to be personally responsible for the destruction of the forests with the amount of paper that would require?
How bout we get a text then. Mayor Menino texted all of Boston last Spring when we had that boil water order. Why can't the Mohonk Preserve text us all when there's been an accident?
Josh
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blueeyedclimber wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: zchandran wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it. What might actually make a difference is posting accident reports at the crag itself. Make up an 8.5x11" flyer for each accident (including the injuries) and put it up on the bulletin board. The casual climbers usually have no idea how many accidents there really are, and specifically how many are caused by miscommunication. Jesus fucking christ man! Do you want to be personally responsible for the destruction of the forests with the amount of paper that would require? How bout we get a text then. Mayor Menino texted all of Boston last Spring when we had that boil water order. Why can't the Mohonk Preserve text us all when there's been an accident? Josh
my inbox isn't big enough
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theguy
Oct 7, 2010, 4:16 AM
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erisspirit wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: dr_feelgood wrote: zchandran wrote: blueeyedclimber wrote: I don't deny that the Gunks gets it's fair share of accidents (a lot more than I would like). But with the sheer amount of people we are talking about here, you just can't compare it to most areas. People that don't frequent it don't understand. A lot of people don't go there for that very reason. I happen to LOVE the climbing so I am willing to put up with it. What might actually make a difference is posting accident reports at the crag itself. Make up an 8.5x11" flyer for each accident (including the injuries) and put it up on the bulletin board. The casual climbers usually have no idea how many accidents there really are, and specifically how many are caused by miscommunication. Jesus fucking christ man! Do you want to be personally responsible for the destruction of the forests with the amount of paper that would require? How bout we get a text then. Mayor Menino texted all of Boston last Spring when we had that boil water order. Why can't the Mohonk Preserve text us all when there's been an accident? Josh my inbox isn't big enough
There are precedents for public accident posting, though with less detail, in other sports: Little Sahara in Utah, an OHV area, has a sign at the entrance with the # of accidents so far that day or week (can't remember which, but think it's the former). Few trees used to make the sign, but then they just change the number.
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blueeyedclimber wrote: Very poor taste. God forbid that anyone you are close to are ever involved in an accident. If you think shit can't happen to you then you are living in ignorance. The Gunks proximity to the largest Metropolitan are in the US and it's plentiful bounty of beginner climbs opens itself up to it's share of accidents. It is what it is, but that doesn't mean you can't show some damn empathy! Josh
I never been there but your point is pretty interesting .
its worth monitoring to know the causes and I wonder if the nearby cities offer lots of climbing gyms which eventually send a lot of these graduate n00bs to gunk to test their skills.
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How about something like the climber's memorial below Mt. Cook in New Zealand? It's an elegant memorial, and the most sobering warning I've ever seen. Way too many plaques on that base.
http://www.pbase.com/...ge/64074291/original
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