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adatesman
Nov 5, 2013, 3:54 AM
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I know, i know.... It only bugs me because I remember the Mod deliberations that lead to them. It would have been glorious!
If only it had been fully implemented.
Then again, I did very much enjoy dropping the 10x Mod 1-star on every post of USNavy's once I realized he was 1-starring all of my posts just to be a dick. IIRC JT then noticed that the averages weren't lining up to the number of votes, and it was downhill from there.
Sigh.
Yeah, this place is like crack. Gotta go cold turkey again. Starting tomorrow.
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adatesman
Nov 5, 2013, 4:04 AM
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Anyone think Jeff is having buyer's remorse yet?  
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Jeff
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Nov 5, 2013, 7:18 AM
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Hey all--I'm traveling for my day job this entire week, so my response times are going to be slower.
I hid a bunch of posts in this thread because they were totally non-constructive.
This thread is for folks to chime in with their thoughts on the future of the site and to ask me questions.
I'll be PM'ing a few of you shortly with more explanation of why I hid your posts.
[Edit: As I pm'd those of you whose posts I hid, I'm *not* making a sitewide policy that threads can't get derailed, just I'd appreciate if we keep this particular thread on-topic for two reasons: 1) I want to make sure I hear from a wide variety of users, not just the vocal ones, and tons of o/t posts starts to make a thread feel like it's insiders only, and 2) I'm trying to come up to speed as fast as possible and make sure I read all these posts and think about them and a long stream of off-topic discussion just adds more cycles that slows me down, which slows down how fast I can make changes to move this site forward. If you want to just chit-chat, there's plenty of other threads for that.]
As far as a more general update--Kristen and I spent a bunch of time this past weekend working on stuff. I'll try and write an update on our progress later this week.
Cheers,
Jeff
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granite_grrl
Nov 5, 2013, 12:42 PM
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Jeff wrote: Hey all--I'm traveling for my day job this entire week, so my response times are going to be slower. I hid a bunch of posts in this thread because they were totally non-constructive. This thread is for folks to chime in with their thoughts on the future of the site and to ask me questions. I'll be PM'ing a few of you shortly with more explanation of why I hid your posts. As far as a more general update--Kristen and I spent a bunch of time this past weekend working on stuff. I'll try and write an update on our progress later this week. Cheers, Jeff
This thread has actually been one of the best in sense of community I have seen on RC.com for a long while. The community is what made this site what it was, and why it's been falling apart.
For me, the best part of this site was always getting to know people and then making an effort to meet them and go climbing when I was in their area. This is the stuff that kept/keeps the prominant posters.
There are some forum and topics where there should be heavy moderation, but in general you want people to talk with each other, not at each other, and thread drift is an indication that this is happening.
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mojomonkey
Nov 5, 2013, 2:42 PM
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satch wrote: I think the main strength of RC.com is the database of routes. But it isn't as meaningful as it could be. I'd like to see more detailed beta on routes, such as mountain project offers. For long routes, we need more than a route description, we need suggested gear, pitch-by-pitch descriptions and descent beta. Users could provide this in the Ascents Recorded feature if a norm developed around that issue. Maybe some kind of reputation points would work like they do on some IT sites, like stackoverflow.com. Also, I imagine the spam and trivial discussions are probably driving away your more experienced climbers. Again, some incentive to keep them involved might help. I know social media is trendy, but I don't think it's a substitute for a void of expertise and helpful content.
Regarding the route database, there is a thread in the S&F forum with some thoughts - hopefully more will be added and the route section will be improved.
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macherry
Nov 5, 2013, 2:55 PM
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i agree with gg, this thread....all posts... has brought back a sense of community. most of the posters have been through the many changes of management and have a lot to offer.
looks like my first post was one of the posts to go. my point was !.this ship is sinking fast, if you're going to get change implemented, it has to be sooner than later.
2. i pointed out the absurdity of the statement of "being respectful to people, including women." and, that it might be better worded to "deal with sexism" on the site.
anyways, i've got a thick skin. i modded for many years.
good luck
but, you won't win any friends or favours by hiding posts you don't like
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lena_chita
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Nov 5, 2013, 3:06 PM
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mojomonkey wrote: satch wrote: I think the main strength of RC.com is the database of routes. But it isn't as meaningful as it could be. I'd like to see more detailed beta on routes, such as mountain project offers. For long routes, we need more than a route description, we need suggested gear, pitch-by-pitch descriptions and descent beta. Users could provide this in the Ascents Recorded feature if a norm developed around that issue. Maybe some kind of reputation points would work like they do on some IT sites, like stackoverflow.com. Also, I imagine the spam and trivial discussions are probably driving away your more experienced climbers. Again, some incentive to keep them involved might help. I know social media is trendy, but I don't think it's a substitute for a void of expertise and helpful content. Regarding the route database, there is a thread in the S&F forum with some thoughts - hopefully more will be added and the route section will be improved.
I would really like to see improvements to the route database. There are many glitches and problems with it right now.
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lena_chita
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Nov 5, 2013, 3:18 PM
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granite_grrl wrote: Jeff wrote: Hey all--I'm traveling for my day job this entire week, so my response times are going to be slower. I hid a bunch of posts in this thread because they were totally non-constructive. This thread is for folks to chime in with their thoughts on the future of the site and to ask me questions. I'll be PM'ing a few of you shortly with more explanation of why I hid your posts. As far as a more general update--Kristen and I spent a bunch of time this past weekend working on stuff. I'll try and write an update on our progress later this week. Cheers, Jeff This thread has actually been one of the best in sense of community I have seen on RC.com for a long while. The community is what made this site what it was, and why it's been falling apart. For me, the best part of this site was always getting to know people and then making an effort to meet them and go climbing when I was in their area. This is the stuff that kept/keeps the prominant posters. There are some forum and topics where there should be heavy moderation, but in general you want people to talk with each other, not at each other, and thread drift is an indication that this is happening.
I agree.
If all threads are limited strictly to answering the factual question, then there is no point to the forums. There are FAQs, they can be expanded, read them, done.
Back when I joined RC, I definitely felt a sense of community. It had a flavor, a tone, certain color to it. And all of that came not from answering 'which shoes do I get' with a standard 'try a bunch, pick the one that fits', but from extra conversations that surrounded the factual statements.
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satch
Nov 5, 2013, 4:16 PM
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I don't see how you link to the forums from the routes database, but anyway my point is that it doesn't happen on RC like it does on mountain project.
I know about adding to information to the the routes, I am adding to the routes data, but most users are not. In mountain project, almost all those who note that they climbed a route add some helpful information about the route. In RC.com the users typically just note that they climbed the route. They are ticking, rather than adding helpful information. If that were to change, I think it would make RC more appealing.
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rocknice2
Nov 5, 2013, 4:27 PM
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one of the biggest problems with the RDB is, route sequence. There is no way to squeeze a new route between #7 & #8 for example. Beg a moderator is the only way.
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curt
Nov 5, 2013, 5:34 PM
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macherry wrote: i agree with gg, this thread....all posts... has brought back a sense of community. most of the posters have been through the many changes of management and have a lot to offer. looks like my first post was one of the posts to go. my point was !.this ship is sinking fast, if you're going to get change implemented, it has to be sooner than later. 2. i pointed out the absurdity of the statement of "being respectful to people, including women." and, that it might be better worded to "deal with sexism" on the site. anyways, i've got a thick skin. i modded for many years. good luck but, you won't win any friends or favours by hiding posts you don't like
Not only that, but there will be absolutely no chance of recreating the vibrant online community that used to exist here--and that's why people came to RC.com. Mountain Project arguably has a better routes database, other sites are easier to share photos on, etc. It was the forums, with open and meaningful discussions, that made RC.com unique.
Curt
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roninthorne
Nov 5, 2013, 5:47 PM
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mojomonkey wrote: satch wrote: I think the main strength of RC.com is the database of routes. But it isn't as meaningful as it could be. I'd like to see more detailed beta on routes, such as mountain project offers. For long routes, we need more than a route description, we need suggested gear, pitch-by-pitch descriptions and descent beta. Users could provide this in the Ascents Recorded feature if a norm developed around that issue. Regarding the route database, there is a thread in the S&F forum with some thoughts - hopefully more will be added and the route section will be improved.
Tried to do this with the WV section for several years- first by turning New River over to locals who are right there and have the latest and best beta (five stars to j_ung for that aspect of his career and some amusing and thoughtful posts, at the very least...) and by leaving Seneca Rocks to the guides who drag hordes of gumbies up there all year long, year in and out.
It helped... some.
But there are too many entries that are nothing more than the online version of being the first to piss on a crag; no location or directions, no fee or camping information, nothing about access issues or lack thereof, nothing but insipid or grandiose route names with unconfirmed grades, most of which are clearly aimed at pumping up the 8a.nu score and only placed on RC because the authors ran out of spew sites before Red Bull.
When posting up a new crag, route, or info doesn't require or elicit active input or at least a cursory glance from moderators, you are encouraging that type of unhelpful "dig me" data entry.
Nuff said on that account.
The forums have provided me with some of the finest moments of community, human connection, and laugh-out-loud humor I have experienced on any site on the net, and have, as well, provoked swear-at-your-screen anger with demonstrations of ignorance, malice, and stupidity (more than one of them mine). I have read some tales here that belonged in classes on classic mountain lit, and sen some images posted to these pages that relit the fire that burned in my belly as a tender youth.
Like some of the more recent posters, I have tried to fight my addiction to RC.com. I walked away from the WV db just before the thing traded hands, because the tone I got from the top was as preoccupied and uninterested as ever, and the reorganization of the database was at a standstill with the end of j_ung's involvement.
I'm hoping that you can turn things around... as much as RC became a place I loved to hate, it was, in the beginning, a great place to connect with climbers from around the globe and across the country; to share beta and find old friends and new partners, to keep climbers informed on access and impact, to debate and sometimes rage on issues, and to see great pics from across the range of climbing.
I wish you luck. If I can help in any way with the db, please don't hesitate to ask.
(but I can quit any time I want to.....
no, really.... I don't care...
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wonder how many views my post has gotten?)
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