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puffpuffpass
Dec 20, 2001, 9:56 PM
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i do smoke and my friends and i pack out what we bring in right down to the butts, infact one of my packs has a mesh pouch we use like a garbage. also i do understand many people hate smoke thats why i walk away from everyone so it doesnt bother them, and if someone is smoking too close to you and its bothering you just ask them nicely i doubt they will have a problem with moving.
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rockjock04
Dec 20, 2001, 9:57 PM
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rock on woodse.
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rlkelley
Dec 20, 2001, 10:15 PM
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rockwomyn
Dec 21, 2001, 4:58 PM
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I am a smoker and a FIRM believer in packing out what you pack in. I also think that alot of the garbage is not always the product of people in the climbing community. I think that most of us are digusted by litter bugs especially in our forests and crags. But you people that want to riducule people for smoking cigs need to relax.
That was real nice Pianomahn...
Smoking sucks.
Go away cancer fiends.
I am an adult and yes me and most other smoker's know it isn't the best choice for our health and yes i would like to quit and will someday...however it's my CHOICE. So all you people criticizing smokers back off. Maybe each one of you pink lungs have a crutch that could be easily riduculed too. Complain about litter, help pick it up but
get down off your throne and leave us smokers alone.
that's all...and boy could i use a smoke.
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graniteboy
Dec 21, 2001, 8:08 PM
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I can think of no less appealing thing on a BIGWALL in YOSEMITE than to find Cigarette Butts stuffed in the cracks.
Now, Unlike some of the posting members regarding this issue, Graniteboy has a SOLUTION. This WHOLE ISSUE would END if we could get the U.S. Legislators to QUIT SUBSIDIZING the TOBACCO INDUSTRY. We give these corporate parasites tens of millions of your and my TAX DOLLARS each year so that consumers can afford their "products". If this were actually a free market economy (which large corporations are always arguing for, except when they're BUYING CONGRESSMEN to get them PORK BARREL SUBSIDIES) the Tobacco industry in America would FAIL, and we wouldn't be having this discussion. So WATCH the VOTING RECORD of your congress representative, and boot them outta office if they vote for TOBACCO SUBSIDIES. The fact that this subsidy continues in the US makes me wanna
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rockjock04
Dec 21, 2001, 10:52 PM
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I wonder what percentage of america actually does smoke. At least 50% wouldn't you say? I wish there were more. The only thing is, like marajuana, tabaco products would be smuggled into the country. And there would be almost zero control over it. But hey, even then people would be afraid to smoke in public. Everybody vote for me, im running for president, my campaign slogan will be, "Kick tobacco companies' butts outta our country!" Think it'll Catch?
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orngave
Feb 3, 2002, 5:07 PM
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This Post is for Granite Boy. So you really think that the Gov't subsidizes the Tobacco industry??? Guess what....they don't, they tax the heck out of it, cigarettes would only be around a dollar a pack, but the gov't throws a 2 dollar tax on each pack. They also are the ones that opened a huge lawsuit against the Tobacco companies, and did that break them? I think not, they make most of their money overseas.
And addressing another issue, I can't believe people smoke up before they climb, personally there is no way that after I smoked I would do anything but stare at the rock. Then I would be to tired to do anything else. But that is coming from someone who doesn't smoke anything, and is allergic to most of the smoke that comes from burning objects.
The places I climb, are well taken care of, you have to hike quite a while to get to most of them, the locals are to lazy to do it, but I take a trashbag anyway, because sometimes some stuff will washes up on the banks of the river.
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lawnboy
Feb 3, 2002, 5:14 PM
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I climb at the same place as vaness. It's disusting to see all the crap that people leave all over the place. It's in the middle of a city and yuo would expect some garbage but not as much as at this place. One time these three freaky guys were smoking pot at the top of the crag at they asked be and my friend if were had ties with the local police department. it was weird.
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uhighfreak
Feb 5, 2002, 10:45 PM
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I agree with hating trash at the sites I climb at. With help from the access fund, a group of us, including myself, clean a local agree, Capen Park, every so often so trash does not pile up. I do not smoke and do not drink while I climb but I do not have anything against people who do. I only ask that you keep the "Leave no trace" concept in mind and carry out what you bring in
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pushfurther
Feb 5, 2002, 11:09 PM
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i smoke. about a pack a day in fact. i pack out my butts, and i pick up whatever butts i see lying around. whoever said they use a coffeecan, that's a good idea. i usually just use one of the empty packs in my car.
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theamish
Feb 5, 2002, 11:28 PM
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HEY ....... I agree take it in, pack it out .. the only trouble is a lot of people, including climbers don't. Why not do like we do, we each carry a trash bag and bring out our junk plus a little of the other trash including butts, we find along the way. It's not that heavy, nor is it a big effort. We have to dump ours anyway so why not a little extra. After a while you'll start seeing others take your lead and the area will really improve.
[ This Message was edited by: theamish on 2002-02-05 15:29 ]
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reno
Feb 5, 2002, 11:58 PM
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I smoke, don't recommend it to anyone, and try ot be curteous when I do. Also, I find that a 35mm film canister works well for packing out used butts.
Best,
JRB
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camhead
Feb 6, 2002, 12:01 AM
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I don't smoke, I hate it, its bad for my lungs. Unfortunately, all my friends do, and I think that I am THE prime candidate for secondhand damage.
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paintinhaler
Feb 6, 2002, 12:51 AM
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then don't smoke jest inhal some paint I'm I was kidding
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