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tahquitztwo
Jul 2, 2003, 6:16 AM
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email sent. keep us posted.
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killclimbz
Jul 2, 2003, 2:38 PM
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Don't miss the fact that other user groups such as Mountain bikers and hikers would like to use the land. If ORV's and shooters are up there this is not going to happen. I would rather the land be used for the former uses than the latter.
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killclimbz
Jul 2, 2003, 10:04 PM
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I just received a reply back from Diana Kossnar from the BLM, here is what she had to say about the issue.
"I am Diana Kossnar, the BLM recreation planner for this area (Shelf Road).
First of all, thank you for your interest and comments regarding the Shelf
Road. There does seem to be a little bit of confusion regarding the BLM
planning effort.
We (BLM) are currently in the process of developing a Travel Management
Plan for the entire Gold Belt Tour region (BLM lands between Canon City and
Cripple Creek and highway 115 and highway 9) and yes the Shelf Road is
included in this planning effort. As a result of this plan, we will be
determining and formally designating roads and trails on BLM. This
includes motorized and non-motorized routes.
Most of the E-Mail messages that have gone to Cora (about 30) she is
forwarding on to the Travel Management Planner in charge of this planning
effort. His name is Dave Walker and his E-Mail station is:
Dave_Walker@co.blm.gov .
The comments that we've received will be considered as formal public
comments regarding the Shelf Road area. Some of the comments seem to be
directed toward the newly acquired lands north of the Bank. That's OK,
too. But we are planning and designating roads and trails for the entire
area surrounding the Shelf Road Recreation Area.
The second public meeting for this planning effort is being held tonight,
July 2nd, 2003 in Canon City at 7:00p.m. The location is the VFW hall
located at 933 Sells Avenue. Highway 50 to 9th street, turn south, cross
the Arkansas River and it is the first building on the left or east side of
the road. I am very sorry we couldn't have gotten this information to you
sooner, but Cora's days off are Monday and Tuesday and so she opened her
E-Mail station today and began to read through the messages. I hope you
have contacts in the area who can attend tonight, but if not the public
comment period is open until July 18th. Also all of the maps showing a
range of alternative (which we are showing tonight at the meeting) will be
available at our office for public viewing.
I hope this is helpful. Give me a call if you have any questions. Diana
719-269-8538"
So from now on please send your e-mails to Dave Walker at Dave_Walker@co.blm.gov.
Keep on sending your opinions it is definitely having an effect.
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anykineclimb
Jul 3, 2003, 12:04 AM
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I recieved the same Email.
Looks like our letters are doing some good. keep em coming.
I hope the leatter from BLM helps clear up some issues with individuals here on RC.com
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roninthorne
Jul 5, 2003, 12:58 PM
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In reply to: I hope the leatter from BLM helps clear up some issues with individuals here on RC.com
You mean issues like how the BLM can let everyone know who rides or owns an ATV (people who typically do not speak/respond via email) that there is gonna be a meeting and to show up, but then the same agency turns around and hands the email monitoring (method by which many if not most climbers will respond) to someone who is off work on Monday and Tuesday, thus creating a built-in delay of four crucial days between getting the info to non-ATV interests and registering their response...
Sorry, but this one sounds alot like the Bush administration's typical games to turn the backcountry into an ATV/snowmobile/NRA/oil-and-timber company paradise.
Since we won the war in Iraq, can we have the no-drilling restored in ANWR? Didn't think so....
The BLM...playing games to sell your land to the highest bidder... once they've ruined it with 4WDs, ATVs, strip mines, open range grazing, and powerplant projects...
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rrrADAM
Jul 6, 2003, 3:03 PM
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BUMP !!!
With over 12,000 registered users, we can do better than 30 emails. And with comments being accepted until July 18th, we have time.
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killclimbz
Jul 7, 2003, 10:48 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: I hope the leatter from BLM helps clear up some issues with individuals here on RC.com You mean issues like how the BLM can let everyone know who rides or owns an ATV (people who typically do not speak/respond via email) that there is gonna be a meeting and to show up, but then the same agency turns around and hands the email monitoring (method by which many if not most climbers will respond) to someone who is off work on Monday and Tuesday, thus creating a built-in delay of four crucial days between getting the info to non-ATV interests and registering their response... Sorry, but this one sounds alot like the Bush administration's typical games to turn the backcountry into an ATV/snowmobile/NRA/oil-and-timber company paradise. Since we won the war in Iraq, can we have the no-drilling restored in ANWR? Didn't think so.... The BLM...playing games to sell your land to the highest bidder... once they've ruined it with 4WDs, ATVs, strip mines, open range grazing, and powerplant projects...
I don't see how Cora having a few days off is a Bush adminstration scheme. She has the same days off every week. If it wasn't for her giving me the head's up we would have never known about this issue. In fact she was rather anti bush herself. We should thank her warning people about what was happening. At least we have time to act. The BLM is a government run agency and not everyone within the organization and they do have their mandates. At least at the Canon City office there are people who work there whose interests are not far from our own. Quite frankly I have been very pleased with the stewardship the BLM has given Shelf road and other climbing areas in Colorado. The policies may be different elsewhere, but in Colorado they have been our friends.
BTW, anyone attend the meeting last week? If so please give us an update. I am going to try like hell to show up if they have another one.
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tradkelly
Jul 8, 2003, 11:54 PM
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In reply to: Hello Cora, I would like to express my opinion over the proposed use of the newly acquired BLM land above the Bank camping area. I enjoy hiking and climbing near this area and the influx of ATV'ers would be very disruptive. I would propose that this land be set aside for a less intrusive uses such as hiking or singletrack. The problem with ATV's and other off-road vehicles is that they violate the concept of multiple-use. No one wants to be around these noisy smog machines. When off-road vehicles are allowed in an area it defaults to single use. This is not good usage of public lands. The off-road community already has some land in the Shelf Road area. They do not need any more. Please ensure that my letter is read at the next meeting. Regards, Dr. Greg Tumbush
Here's one more, sent by a climber who's not an RC.c member. July 18th, everyone. Send something simple, take 5 minutes. Dave Walker's email address is on page 2 of this thread. You don't have to take this approach; you don't have to disagree with multiple uses. But, if you don't tell them what you think, they won't know that you think it.
And if it gets you on an activist kick, send another letter to your congressmen and tell 'em you don't like the Fee Demo programs being made more permanent, too. You want somewhere that's not a gym to climb in five years? Take five minutes now and express yourself.
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tradkelly
Jul 16, 2003, 3:11 AM
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Bump. 2 more days to write an email, all.
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tradkelly
Jul 18, 2003, 3:28 AM
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Bump!
Tomorrow is the last day to register an input with the FS on this topic if you have any input. Even if you don't come or climb here - ask yourself, would you care if a bunch of ATVs were buzzing around under your climbs? I know (hope) that the people who read this don't litter or ride offroad, mess up fragile land ('cept maybe below a few key boulders, but that's a different story, not for this thread), but how much do you want to do potentially cleaning up after other users who might not be so concerned about the quiet and pristine as you? I filled a trash bag two weeks ago from the last ORV trail I hiked up towards a climb. Don't generalize this sorta thing, but if it counts towards your writing a quick letter, do it!!!
Later. We've had well over a thousand hits to this thread. It'll be disgraceful if we only get 50 quick emails to Mr. Walker. Please, ya got 5 minutes????
kelly
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epic_ed
Jul 18, 2003, 4:25 AM
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Just tried to send an email to Dave Walker's address and it got bounced back as undeliverable. I ensured there's no typos; no "." at the end of the address (also looks like the poor bastards are using Lotus Notes).
Anyone else have a problem? Alternative email addresses?
Ed
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paganmonkeyboy
Jul 18, 2003, 5:06 AM
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In reply to: Just tried to send an email to Dave Walker's address and it got bounced back as undeliverable. I ensured there's no typos; no "." at the end of the address (also looks like the poor bastards are using Lotus Notes). Anyone else have a problem? Alternative email addresses? Ed
yeah. mine bounced too, I forwarded it to cora with a request to pass it on to Dave.
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epic_ed
Jul 18, 2003, 5:58 AM
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Same here.
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tradkelly
Jul 18, 2003, 6:42 AM
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Notes have been posted that Dave's address is being rejected by email; I don't have an answer to that. Try to email to Cora (cora_whisenhunt@co.blm.gov), the original email address in the thread, and ask that the comments be forwarded until we get a resolution on this question. Cora works in the same (Canon City) office and should be able to forward appropriately.
Thank you for your assistance, all.
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killclimbz
Jul 18, 2003, 9:05 PM
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Please e-mail your comments to Cora. We are running out of time.
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