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roclymber
Mar 28, 2002, 10:34 PM
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After much research to make everyone happy im almost positive that this is a unique topic that no one has shed much light upon.
Instead of using crashpads/matresses/the like and top ropes, why not use a safety net. you know? the ones in circuses, etc.
this could be for bouldering on well-known problems, sports climbing,top-roping, or free climbing (especially this one) and most beneficial inside of gyms.
It would take an extremely long amount of time, and money, and then effort to find where to put up the nets, but if people, and gyms a like, setup nets around the gym itself, and extremely popular sports routes 50 or so ft and famous boulders (bouldering may be the one where nets would seem kind of ackward, but could work.), it would help extremely well with the fear-of-falling factor, and allow for even more freedom on sport routes/toproping without having to wear a harness.
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ponyryan
Mar 28, 2002, 10:40 PM
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One idea as to why not: What does a net have that a good crash pad doesn't? Maybe a bit more height, but that's probably arguable. The net has to be set in place (not easily moved), it's expensive... etc etc as you said. So I don't see the point in going to a net.
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offwidthclimber
Mar 28, 2002, 11:28 PM
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dude, this has got to be a friggin' joke, right?
as if most bouldering and sport climbing areas aren't trashed enough... big ass safety nets everywhere - what a great idea!
anyway, there is no need for "innovation". either throw down a pad, nut up and go without, or stay in the gym.
peace.
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miagi
Mar 28, 2002, 11:50 PM
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Ok, OWC is right. We cant make a mess of the outdoors. Plus its too hard of work.
Now for my own point: You have the net about 5 feet off the ground...how do you get on the rock? You would need to set up the net a few feet away from the rock so you could actually pass it. What happens if a climber falls straight down?
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blacksamba
Mar 28, 2002, 11:55 PM
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Nobody could be so dumb, it has to be a joke.
NETS!!!!!!! Are you frigging serious, climbers have enough problems with access issues can you imagine the impact visual and environmental that a net would have.
here are some more dumb a$$ alternatives to top ropes and pads
lets build swimming pools under popular problems. it seems to work in coastal areas why not every where
or fun house balls
how about giant trampolines
hire largo sized spotters from golds gym
i dont know, the inane nature of this topic is hurting my head to think of anything else
ben
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mitchal
Mar 29, 2002, 1:04 AM
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How about magnets?
Put strong magnets in the soles of the climbing shoes and opposing field magnets on the ground.When you would fall, the opposing fields would repel and stop you from "decking".Or,for training purposes,switch them to attract and cause "Hypergravity"
I see a patent coming on,anyone know PETZL's number?
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miagi
Mar 29, 2002, 1:31 AM
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Come on, no need to be mean people. Its not the best idea but we dont need to be cursing him out
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blacksamba
Mar 29, 2002, 1:51 AM
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we could always get mattress from the salvation army and stack them as high as the sky and we also would have to worry about climber relieving themselfs on vegetation, they would come pre-stained
oh oh oh oh I got it
how about escalator holds
you grab on and they move up the wall, great for gyms and wussifed sport areas
i can just imagine the possibilities for this new endurance aspect of the sport
who's being mean, it's a joke
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mitchal
Mar 29, 2002, 2:01 AM
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Given enough time and money,my idea would work.they laughed at the Wright Bros. and look now!
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apollodorus
Mar 29, 2002, 5:04 AM
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You could do some bitchen dynos off the net, like those trapeze guys in the circus do. For example, you top out on one problem, jump off and dyno onto another one. You keep doing this over and over. This would be a good format for TV, which has to keep the action moving or people will change the channel.
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miagi
Mar 29, 2002, 5:05 AM
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We might think its a joke but he might not. Im just being fair cause i know how it feels when your post is trashed on
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roclymber
Mar 29, 2002, 3:22 PM
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see, i understand where all of you are coming from. and if you read the post correctly, this would apply only to WELL-CLIMBED SPORT/BOULDERING ROUTES. im talking about ones where access issues arent a problem. i know its a lot of problems, hassles, and people prolly dont even want to consider. but dun blame me for being original. and as for how would you climb? that would be easy to solve - have the net abouta ft. or so away from the base of the wall, and if the route as any sort of overhang, then there will be the net to catch.
practicality of this idea, not very high. i went into this knowing it. but the real use for these nets would be AWESOME in gyms. you get two bonuses out of climbing then. one, you can climb it, and then you get to freefall down.
you people have no imagination about how much fun that would be.
thats all i have to say.
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blacksamba
Mar 29, 2002, 4:33 PM
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just for the record, there are very few areas that do not have access issues and unless you own the land turning a bouldering area into a jungle gym is completely irresponsible and arrogant.
I under stand it would be fine for gyms, hell it could be fun, but outside is not inside, you climb with the risks that nature presents to you, that includes trees, death landings etc. carrying a pad is better then leaving carpet or mattresses.
Besides, if you can imagine bolt chopping wars can you imagine net chopping battles.
Maybe you havent read John Shermons funny little story on fixed rug hunting, if not I highly suggest so. I can imagine the Verm describe how he stalked the giant net and then wrangled it into submission and is not proudly thrown against the wall, maybe thimble sleeps on it.
anyways i personally think the idea to hire Largo sized spotters is pretty sweet, there is a perfect example of why in climbing mag's article on J-tree high balls.
ben
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galt
Mar 29, 2002, 5:27 PM
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I'm in, with one aside. Why not have one of those huge inflatable balloon things instead of a net? Sure it's a little more expensive, but imagine falling off a great climb into nothingness just to be caught by a huge pocket of air! We'll need to set it up in a clearing and move all the rocks out of the way, but it'll be easier then a net to set up, and when we're done just uninflate it! I'm going to my local circus to go price it! This is gonna be fun!
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djpuckle
Mar 29, 2002, 6:33 PM
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Bean bag chairs!!! Thousands of bean bag chairs! They could form around those stupid little sharpe rocks on the ground that hurt me when I fall
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mitchal
Mar 29, 2002, 7:55 PM
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Roclymer?,
I wasn't bashing your idea,it just got my eccentric inventiveness going on.If ther are spots suited to nets,they would be a great idea.I could do some freesoloing without worrying about death,think of the rush there!
Some of us here can be sarcastic,me included.Don't let us or anyone bash down you dreams or imagination!
Climb Happy
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roclymber
Mar 30, 2002, 2:48 PM
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actually, that huge inflatable balloon sounds even better than the net idea. ive also seen it done at a boy-scout type camp near st. louis. they have two...one for when you jump off the diving board and land on it in the water, and then another for climbing wall (not rock, but articial wood wall) with an overhang, and then theres the balloon thingy to catch you. im surprised i didnt think about that.
im not pissed anymore, i was just disturbed about peopl's lack of imagination. access issues are a problem, but in perfect world, thered be nets everywhere
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miagi
Mar 30, 2002, 4:57 PM
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The idea is still "out there". For one thing, people walking underneath will have a net over their heads and have the possibilty of falling on the net and hitting them. The net would have to be pretty high for it not to do that because all nets "give way". The idea if having a metal bar and rope is so much simpler. But you know what would be cool!?! A pool underneath the climbing spot. We can all put our fantasy's of highballing over water to rest. No more admiring those ppl on the beach eh?
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beyond_gravity
Mar 30, 2002, 8:44 PM
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I say you raid the circus and take all the stuff animals.
Happy Landing
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galt
Mar 30, 2002, 9:12 PM
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Roclymber, you mean my balloon idea is already in use? Darn it! Sorry it wasn't as "Original" as the net, but I'm still up for it. I went to my local circus too, but they wouldn't sell me the balloon so I said "What, you think you're better then me?" I left and am going to burn the place down later tonight! (But only after I take all the stuffed animals.)
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roclymber
Mar 30, 2002, 10:38 PM
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sorry to disappoint you galt.
as for the originality aspect of it all, i only mentioned that becuz a lot of people talk about the same thing over and over again in their post, and the admins get mad. so i just wanted to point that out.
still, i think you should try it. big bouncy balloons for everyone.
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ponyryan
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Galt's got it. The blow up things at the circus and carnivals. That'd be sweet for a gym.
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robscate
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Why not just conquer gravity.......
Novel idea but really, really, inpractical.
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hardcoredana
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I'm not joining in the bashing to be mean. I just have something to say regarding access issues.
Quote:im talking about ones where access issues arent a problem.
I truly believe that any climbing area can potentially develop access issues.
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peruviansunshine
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Inner Tubes? especially if it cloze to a lazy river...
How about those big rubber balls with the handle that we use to bounce around on as small Kidz...
Oh Yeah how about saving wag bags used on excursions and stuff them all into a big wag bag bag!!!
I dont know crash pads are just fine for my standards I definately am not to keen on the whole net thing if im going climbing I'd rather just set up a top rope or throw donw a CP alot less time consumin.
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