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j_ung
Apr 15, 2004, 7:51 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: As to the tuber vs. gri-gri. I've taught tuber belaying many times and can get students to be totally safe in ~ 10 minutes. It's not a matter of right or wrong but I would much rather be lowered by a beginner with a tuber than a beginner with a gri gri. And my personal belief is that learning with a tuber teaches better belay technique.I know others disagree. Indeed. Ive thought at least a hundred scouts, ranging in age from 12-18, and ability from straight out of the cornpatch new, to slightly experienced how to belay SAFELY with an ATC in about 10-15 minutes. Tack on another 10-20 minutes if showing them also how to tie in, and put on the harness. All of those, btw, are requirements for the climbing merit badge, so they ALL need to know them to pass. And what do you know? VERY VERY few cant figure this out very shortly.
I call BS here. The fact that a newb can get the hand motions down in 15 minutes is completely exclusive of that person's ability to handle any of several adverse fall conditions. Your 10-minute old belayer will just as likely kill you as catch you the first time his or her thumb flap gets caught in the device.
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moondog
Apr 15, 2004, 8:02 PM
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In reply to: Ive thought at least a hundred scouts, ranging in age from 12-18, and ability from straight out of the cornpatch new, to slightly experienced how to belay SAFELY with an ATC in about 10-15 minutes.
Please elaborate on what "belay SAFELY" means. Climbing ain't safe. Would you take a belay from one of your 10-15 min. trainees, you on the sharp end, climbing near your limit on p3, 500' off the deck? If not, then what is your point about "safe" belaying?
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