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broganadams
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I don't understand the bouldering fad and the "no I don't touch rope anymore" attitude that these people have. I see them dropping chalk all over the ground and digging out boulders. That is a total lack of respect for the enviorment. When did the climbing etthics get lost?
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marcsv
Aug 10, 2001, 2:34 AM
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yeah another ethical issue, i guess embedding a couple of bolts into a rock face is your idea of something ethical. to each his own man, boulderers can't force you to understand the philosophy that they follow.
hey if you can't understand that, then i geuss you can't understand.
it's not a matter of ego, it's about solving a problem. if you can't respect other climbers rights, then don't expect to be respected either.
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kriso9tails
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Chalk an environmental issue? It's a fairly safe/ natural mineral substance, besides, people chalk the holds up on sport and top rope all the time, plus they use it frequently during a climb.
Bouldering doesn't respect or disrespect the environment, aestheticly, or ecologicly more than any other type of climbing. How often do you boulder that you can say it's not as good as sport, or trad, or anything else?
I respect your right to an opinion, but it's not really clear as to where you're comming from.
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compclimber
Aug 10, 2001, 6:48 AM
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I dont think chalk is a big problem, but digging out boulders or comfortizing the landing area is wrong and is not part of "solving the problem". The thing I really hate is when people have campfire's in a cave. THAT REALLY SUCKS.
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manboy
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climbing Ethics were lost YEARS ago when people chipped the first route in Yosemite before you or i was even born.
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kriso9tails
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It's hard to define the ethics needed for an evolving sport. Ethics doesn't mean defending tradition, it means acting in the best interest of the sport and its participants. 'Digging up boulders' will (note: no if) get certain areas shut down, so it can be viewed as unethical, but issues like that exist within all facets of the sport. Also, some ethics need to be challenged in order for the sport to evolve, that is, unless you want to give up techincal climbing shoes, modern pro, bolted sport routes, top roping, and other such developments. Alot of bouldering areas get trashed and vandalized by drunken jerks. At least boulderers try to protect/ preserve these environments, which is much more good than harm.
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broganadams
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I agree that is a very good point 9tails.
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