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yamama
Dec 3, 2004, 11:27 PM
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Well i know that Nalgene bottles can almost never be broken, so i was wonering if you could put it on a stove and cook with it? Or would it just melt?
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scotto
Dec 3, 2004, 11:29 PM
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you can boil water in a paper cup so I say go for it!!!!
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davfan
Dec 3, 2004, 11:29 PM
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are you daft? nalgenes are plastic. . .you are a blabbering idiot
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yamama
Dec 3, 2004, 11:36 PM
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Davfan... they say they can go up to 275 F. And can go in the dishwasher... so i guess i'm not a blabbering idiot. I was posting this to see if anybody has tried it before.
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vicum
Dec 3, 2004, 11:43 PM
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The fire on a stove is going to be a little hotter than 275. But the fact that there is water in the bottle may make it possible. The thickness of the nalgene may present a problem though. You should just try it. A $7 experiment is pretty damn cheap by scientific standards:-D
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ryan112ryan
Dec 3, 2004, 11:45 PM
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not that ive tried it, but i would have to say no. despite its amazing heat transfer attributes and its other properties, it couldn't last. also im pretty sure your stove gets past 270 degrees, are you jut curious.....trying to save whiehgt??
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yamama
Dec 3, 2004, 11:47 PM
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Yeah that's what i was thinking... maybe put some aluminum foil around the bottom or something... i'll try it next time i go camping.
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gritstoner
Dec 3, 2004, 11:49 PM
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ive used a sigg bottle to actually boil the water in an open fire, then transfered the water to a nalgene with noodles in it. it worked, im not saying i would put the nalgene over an open flame though
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veganboyjosh
Dec 3, 2004, 11:49 PM
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i seem to remember someone telling me a way of boiling water in a paper bag, using hot coals from a fire. you bury the coals under just a bit of dirt, and then place the paper bag on top of this.
never did it myself, but the concept made sense at the time.
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yamama
Dec 3, 2004, 11:50 PM
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yeah i was just wondering if anybody had done it... b/c then i would do it too. Just less stuff to take with me, and less $$ to spend on cooking gear.
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Dec 3, 2004, 11:55 PM
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yamama
Dec 3, 2004, 11:58 PM
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Hard raw noodles are kinda hard on the stomach!
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chronicle
Dec 3, 2004, 11:59 PM
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I have boiled water in a styrofoam cup before. The trick is to not let the heat source touch the container. For the styrofoam cup, you must suspend it above a flame. The styrofoam transfers the heat to the water, and therefore does not melt.
A nalgene is much more durable than a styrofoam cup and should work as a good water boiling container. There is no way you could put it on a house stove or a camp stove without it melting. However, if you were to suspend it above the heat source, then it should be able to boil water.
The problem with suspending the medium above the heat source is that a lot of heat is lost in that space by heating the air. So, it would take much longer to boil water in a nalgene than in a pot. If you are in extreme cold, then you probably will never be able to heat the water to boiling. However, you may be able to heat up the snow in the bottle to the melting point.
If you want to try it out, remember to suspend the nalgene above the heat source so that the bottom is level (hanging it from the loop will only expose the one "corner" to the heat). The distance from the heat source to the bottom of the nalgene will depend on the temperature of the heat source (you would want the distance to be greater if you are testing over a stove compared to over a small flame).
Hope that helps. Good luck.
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Dec 4, 2004, 12:01 AM
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Hehe, this is a fun troll. I'm in.
This is not a good idea for weight savings. The aluminum foil idea will just shield the bottle from receiving the heat from the stove, forcing you to use more fuel, which is heavy.
Further, Nalgene bottles are not wise for the weight conscious. Platy bottles are no. 1 for weight savings. In cold weather, however, the Nalgene wide mouth is a nice feature.
EDIT, add - for cheap cooking gear consider a pepsi stove and the Walmart Grease Pot. Here's a link for the stove http://www.boblog.org/at/cobrastove.htm
for the pot just go to wally's and drop $6
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yamama
Dec 4, 2004, 12:02 AM
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What about putting a couple of layers of aluminum foil on the bottom?
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yamama
Dec 4, 2004, 12:04 AM
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Well after all i was just wondering... thanks for the tips... if somebody has another tip add it in.
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Dec 4, 2004, 12:06 AM
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Platypus kicks ass, I keep my nalgenes around nowadays for the novelty effect of hanging on to something I've used for years. Would never go back.
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Dec 4, 2004, 12:06 AM
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You may be able to do it but it would be dangerous as polycarbonate, is not stable at high temperatures (if heated high enough it burns in a similar manner as magnesium), it has poor heat transfer qualities so you would be wasting more fuel, you would do irreparable damage to the outside as well as release free radicals and other nasty plastic fumes into your food. Using the softer polyethylene bottles would result in similar probelms. Wrapping it in foil is also going to do as much for your setup as a fart in the wind.
Start lifting weights then maybe the extra half pound of a pot won't be too much for you...
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chronicle
Dec 4, 2004, 12:07 AM
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Nay, as orangekayak said, he aluminum foil will act as a heat shield. Therefore not allowing as much heat to transfer to the bottle. If you were thinking of putting the aluminum on top of the stove, then the nalgene directly on top of the aluminum, you would see the same effect as putting the nalgene directly on the stove. The heat would transfer through, without much dissipation, and would result in melting your nalgene.
Of course, I've never tried the above, so that is just my hypothesis derived from reading too much about subjects that I will probably never use (Thermal Dynamics)! :wink:
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yamama
Dec 4, 2004, 12:11 AM
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I'll look into the lifting weights... lol. Well after all it was just a thought. I guess i'll drop some $$ on a cooking set... any good suggestions?
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Dec 4, 2004, 12:25 AM
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wow, im actualy laughing over this. build a fire if u can, and take a little rope, tie a tripod, and hand teh pot, or, use some rock to hold the pot up, or set them on the coals (ok for boiling water). i persoalny enjoy good meals backpacking, and my little extra somthing that we al take is in food.
i might have to try that metal bottle thing, i need to get one of those next time im at a outdoor store. the lid is plastic right? never seen one of these up close.
"blabering idiot" that was pricles
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Dec 4, 2004, 12:27 AM
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In reply to: Unscrew the plastic handle, add an aluminum pot grabber and you're good to go.
I've stopped bringing my pot grabber--now I just use liner gloves or socks. Easier/more stable to handle the pot this way too. Only saves an ounce or two, but it's one less thing to remember to bring, and if you don't already own one, it's just not that necessary.
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I would be more concerned about what kind of fumes I'd be putting off or worse cooking into my food...just doesn't sit well with me.
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