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neurostar
Feb 13, 2005, 12:54 AM
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Haha
Where can I get me one of those?
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climbsomething
Feb 13, 2005, 1:09 AM
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:boring: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
With the exception of kman and a couple others, this thread is chock-fulla tools. Who gives a shit if some "sorority girl" or jock uses a Nalgene or wears a North Face fleece? Does it cheapen your experience? Cause access issues? Make you feel like less of a man? I'm willing to bet my smelly, pilly purple TNF fleece (!) that everybody who's bitching is some noob with fire in their earnest little hearts and glitter in their eyes about the Real Hardkore Dirtbag Klimber (tm) that they hope they'll be after conquering that red 5.8+ in the gym. If you think a Theta who uses a locking carabiner to attach her pink lexan Nalgene to her backpack is a poser, what does that make you? Conrad-fuckin-Anker?
Get over it.
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walrus
Feb 13, 2005, 1:34 AM
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In reply to: If you think a Theta who uses a locking carabiner to attach her pink lexan Nalgene to her backpack is a poser, what does that make you? Conrad-f----Anker? Get over it.
I attach no negative sentiments to that label but they are just not what their 'accesories' would indicate.
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dirtineye
Feb 13, 2005, 1:37 AM
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In reply to: :boring: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! With the exception of kman and a couple others, this thread is chock-fulla tools. Who gives a s--- if some "sorority girl" or jock uses a Nalgene or wears a North Face fleece? Does it cheapen your experience? Cause access issues? Make you feel like less of a man? I'm willing to bet my smelly, pilly purple TNF fleece (!) that everybody who's b---- is some noob with fire in their earnest little hearts and glitter in their eyes about the Real Hardkore Dirtbag Klimber (tm) that they hope they'll be after conquering that red 5.8+ in the gym. If you think a Theta who uses a locking carabiner to attach her pink lexan Nalgene to her backpack is a poser, what does that make you? Conrad-f----Anker? Get over it.
Whoa there sport pumpkin!
You trying to compete with Clausti or something?
My criteria for outdoor wear purchases are, a) is it on sale?, and b) what do my friends who know what's good say?
And THAT makes me dirtFineye, hahahahahahahahaha! AND I could climb those stupid mountains too, if I could stand colder weather than 40 F. Heh.
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coldclimb
Feb 13, 2005, 2:25 AM
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I am a true climbing bum dirtbag. I would never shell out so much money for some yuppie fleece jacket that all the popular rich people wear. That stuff is WAY too expensive. Sheesh, you people who buy it are crazy!
That said, I wear both of my North Face Denali jackets quite often, since they're great gear. I also love my Helly Hansen waterproof shell. What you guys need to do is find the right hookups. :lol:
Pay for Jackets? Pffff!!! :lol:
Besides, girls look cute in my jackets! :lol: :wink: :wink:
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tattooed_climber
Feb 13, 2005, 2:27 AM
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In reply to: Haha Where can I get me one of those?
to be honest my partner couldn't remember...but the only time i asked him we both pretty toxified with toxins.
..hummmm intoxication.....
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ryan112ryan
Feb 13, 2005, 8:02 AM
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In reply to: I had a girl in one of my classes that had five denali jackets. FIVE!!!, on of every color WTF!! When I asked her why she had five jackets , her reply was that she had to have one to match each pair of uggs that she had. For all of you who don't know what uggs are check out this website. http://www.uggaustralia.com/Products.asp?dept_id=3&g=women&c=Classic&sc=33&col=2
5 of those jackets.....thats close to $800-$900 in jackets!
as for the uggs, when i first saw then my first thought was "i really hope this isn't going to turn into a fad, but it did :evil:
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ryan112ryan
Feb 13, 2005, 8:13 AM
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In reply to: abercrombie used to have such cool, preppy clothes. and DAMN but they are slutsRus now.
tell me about it, i was in the store a while back with my sister, i was over in the guys section when she came over from the girls section and was like "come look at this" so i go over there and she shows me these jeans, they are taged as "BJ" jeans. the best part the knees were all worn thin and scuffed. as for the rest of the clothes there, its really slutty all the little HS wore the sluty slothes and we have offically have dubbed them "prostitotts" :D
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cgailey
Feb 13, 2005, 11:19 AM
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In reply to: :boring: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! With the exception of kman and a couple others, this thread is chock-fulla tools. Who gives a s--- if some "sorority girl" or jock uses a Nalgene or wears a North Face fleece? Does it cheapen your experience? Cause access issues? Make you feel like less of a man? I'm willing to bet my smelly, pilly purple TNF fleece (!) that everybody who's b---- is some noob with fire in their earnest little hearts and glitter in their eyes about the Real Hardkore Dirtbag Klimber (tm) that they hope they'll be after conquering that red 5.8+ in the gym. If you think a Theta who uses a locking carabiner to attach her pink lexan Nalgene to her backpack is a poser, what does that make you? Conrad-f----Anker? Get over it.
So feisty! :wink:
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alan_ellis
Feb 13, 2005, 2:55 PM
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In reply to: I bought a tnf goretex jacket with liner and pants in a back alley in China a year ago. They looked good but the jacket leaks and the zipper is on the wrong side.
Those are counterfeit TNF items. A friend of mine who flys weekly to China with UPS bought one and let me examine it. I can assure you it is not Goretex. U.S. Customs has had a problem for years trying to keep that stuff out of the U.S.
I have several older TNF items which I bought long before they sold out. I have one of the old Mountain Light jackets that has served me well on many trips. However, It's kind of embarrasing to wear TNF stuff now because (as has been said in this thread) all the soccer moms and mall rats are wearing it too. Maybe I'll gradually replace it with Arcteryx or some other brand.
I knew it was over for TNF when I saw a pink Denali jacket at the mall a few months ago.
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yamama
Feb 13, 2005, 4:38 PM
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Yeah, TNF has kinda gone down hill. My dad has an old TNF jacket and it kicks ass.
The thing about the soccer moms is that the TNF stuff they have is all clean and nice, not to mention HOT PINK. All my TNF stuff that i wear to hike and climb is dirty. I can tell whos just getting the stuff to look cool and who uses it. Just think, it's better haveing some kid wear a new TNF jacket than some $300 Abercrombie one that doesnt' do shit to keep out the cold or rain.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying TNF is the best or anything but its not the worst. They still make good stuff its just gone down over the years.
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naw
Feb 13, 2005, 4:59 PM
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In reply to: :boring: DURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!! With the exception of kman and a couple others, this thread is chock-fulla tools. Who gives a s--- if some "sorority girl" or jock uses a Nalgene or wears a North Face fleece? Does it cheapen your experience? Cause access issues? Make you feel like less of a man? I'm willing to bet my smelly, pilly purple TNF fleece (!) that everybody who's b---- is some noob with fire in their earnest little hearts and glitter in their eyes about the Real Hardkore Dirtbag Klimber (tm) that they hope they'll be after conquering that red 5.8+ in the gym. If you think a Theta who uses a locking carabiner to attach her pink lexan Nalgene to her backpack is a poser, what does that make you? Conrad-f----Anker? Get over it.
i red-pointed that 5.8+ at the gym on a hardcore toprope
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harrisha
Feb 13, 2005, 8:04 PM
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Actually my beef isn't with the yuppies who wear TNF to look cool. Its more with the company itself. Due to the popularity of TNF goods especially jackets the price has been greatly inflated. Its not that TNF goods are bad things for weekend warriors, they're just heavy and lack features like you'd expect to find on high end jackets that cost the same amount. Research and development of new products is expensive, but TNF has used their popularity and "the cool factor" to boost their profits while not coming up with inovations that make their product marketable to the crowed that does the activities the company used to produce products for. Basically they betrayed their heritage to make money now. It's not that I hate TNF because their popular. I hate them because they have stuck with the same product design for so long. Their gear is overpriced for what it is-heavy and behind the inovation curve.
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In reply to: I have several older TNF items which I bought long before they sold out. I have one of the old Mountain Light jackets that has served me well on many trips. Maybe I'll gradually replace it with Arcteryx or some other brand.
Now that Arcteryx has been bought out/sold out to Adidas, I wonder how long until their quality starts creeping downhill too (if it hasn't allready)...
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Feb 13, 2005, 9:12 PM
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Are there any TNF employees here at RC.com?
/Alpheli
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Feb 13, 2005, 9:18 PM
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The problem with TNF isn't that yuppies wear it cause it's expensive (Patagucci, anyone?), but like harrisha said, they used to be a good company and now their designs are very outdated. Their stuff is heavy and bulky and way overpriced for what it is. I remember a few years ago after Arc'teryx came out, and everyone was hopping on the waterproof zipper bandwagon, and TNF put it on a jacket and the zipper coating was all ragged so that you couldn't zip the zipper. It was pathetic. Now all their jackets still have huge storm flaps, and all kinds of unnecessary sleeve pockets and stuff. I was in Berkeley and randomly spotted a TNF outlet, but all they had inside were fake technical clothes, lined with fur and all in varying shades of pink and stuff. I have a couple of TNF jackets and a down bag, all of which I got on sale at discout houses, but I don't plan to buy any more of their stuff. If you're going to shop with them, I think the gear (bags, tents) is probably better than the clothing...
And I thought Arc'teryx had been bought by Salomon?
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e_wire
Feb 13, 2005, 9:49 PM
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In reply to: And I thought Arc'teryx had been bought by Salomon?
It was bought by Salomon many years ago - and Salomon belongs to....? Adidas! Ever since Arc Teryx got bought by Salomon/Adidas, their product didn't evolve much either. They still have an edge - but others are catching up quickly.
Mountain Hardwear also has very good products - now they belong to Columbia... What's going to happen next?
And the list goes on. When small companies get bought by huge corporation - they tend to loose their edge.
The solution? Don't favor brands - but rather the best products from each one.
e_wire
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Some of you mentioned that they have no inovative new ideas. I disagree and ask if your just saying this because yuppies wear the stuff. What about that new pivitol suspension system they have on some of their packs? I think the Met 5 is pretty inovative...wouldn't buy one myself...but it's still a neat idea.
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harrisha
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In reply to: Some of you mentioned that they have no inovative new ideas. I disagree and ask if your just saying this because yuppies wear the stuff. What about that new pivitol suspension system they have on some of their packs? I think the Met 5 is pretty inovative...wouldn't buy one myself...but it's still a neat idea.
The Met 5 is gimicky. Lets say money wasn't an option, but still would you want to count on something that needs batteries to keep you warm when it could mean the difference between life or death. Not me; i'll stick with the tried and true layering system and try to find the best nonelectric products I can get on my budget.
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climbingnurse
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In reply to: In reply to: And I thought Arc'teryx had been bought by Salomon? It was bought by Salomon many years ago - and Salomon belongs to....? Adidas! Ever since Arc Teryx got bought by Salomon/Adidas, their product didn't evolve much either. They still have an edge - but others are catching up quickly. Mountain Hardwear also has very good products - now they belong to Columbia... What's going to happen next? And the list goes on. When small companies get bought by huge corporation - they tend to loose their edge. The solution? Don't favor brands - but rather the best products from each one. e_wire
Moves so slowly
Grows so smoothly
Takes so neatly
It's as if they belong and they've been here all along
Grows so smoothly
Moves so slowly
Takes completely
It's as if they belong and they've been here all along
This one's ours let's take another
Check the math here check in ten years
Clusterfuck theory buy them up and shut them down
Then repeat in every town
Every town will be the same
This one's ours let's take another
Five corporations there is a pattern
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climbingnurse
Feb 14, 2005, 12:02 AM
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In reply to: Are there any TNF employees here at RC.com? /Alpheli
I'd put down money that rc.com is one of the many sites banned by the Chinese government. :shock: :lol:
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bosterson
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[quote="kman"]Some of you mentioned that they have no inovative new ideas. I disagree and ask if your just saying this because yuppies wear the stuff. What about that new pivitol suspension system they have on some of their packs? I think the Met 5 is pretty inovative...wouldn't buy one myself...but it's still a neat idea.
TNF used to be cutting edge (I mean, they invented the Goretex jacket!), but now their worksmanship just seems shoddy (like I said before about their "waterproof" zippers, which, may I add, they stopped trying to do soon after, although I think they may be trying to do it again...). The bar for outerwear these days is pretty high in terms of craftsmanship, which fabrics to use, etc.; a "good" piece of outerwear is very light and technically advanced. TNF just seems unconcerned with making things at that level, and instead makes mediocre stuff that average people who don't care so much about quality would buy. Maybe the pivotal suspension is a cool idea (I have no personal experience with it), and Met 5 is at least a new idea, if not a gimmicky and expensive one, but in general their stuff is about 5 years out of date. So, if anything, I think to answer your question, it's not that they're not innovative because yuppies wear their stuff, but rather yuppies wear their stuff because they're not innovative.
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bandidopeco
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hmm, so how does this forum relate to the "why can't CCH make more Aliens" forums?
I guess nothing's perfect
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Working in a retail store that sells TNF,Pat,Ark, and Mt. Hardwear. I can tell you that the majority of people that are buying TNF, are the rich little brats. The only reason they are having mommy and daddy buying Tnf, is becasue they have a friend that has one or had one, and better yet the color of the jacket. I heard this girl over talking one day in our store, saying that she cant stand to go camping or do anything outdoors. But she bought a TNF jacket just because it was pink. And those were her exact words. TNF wont change their products. Why would they? By christmas they were sold out of Denali's and most of their jackets that come with a liner. Some of you may not like the way TNF is going, but take it from me TNF and oh yeah almost forgot, Columbia, are not as good as some of the tother products that are out there.
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