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republiclimber
Feb 16, 2005, 5:19 PM
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So I am working on making a bouldering video. I've already got the footage of the problem and have moved into the editing phase. Anyway what are the ethics of videos. I sent the problem twice all the way through, so that I could get two different angles. Then, because i only had one camera person and one camera, i then did several of the moves on by themselves so i could get different angles and close ups. seeing as i have sent the problem, and most of the video will be of the complete sends, with the clips mixed in to show the holds and whatnot, it there a ethics problem? it's not like i didn't send it...
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8flood8
Feb 16, 2005, 5:39 PM
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yo yo.
we like to see climbing. we like to see the holds.
sure a no-interruptions version of your climb would be great. but it wouldnt tell us how small those crimpers are.
think of sports.
think of instant replay.
have fun with your artistic endeavors. there is no morality in art.
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rockprodigy
Feb 16, 2005, 5:41 PM
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People generally do whatever they want. I see photos in the mags all the time of people on routes they have no chance of sending. It used to be (and for some, still is) that you didn't publish photos of yourself on a route that you haven't redpointed. For videos, you shouldn't show footage of someone on a problem they haven't sent unless you make it clear that they aren't sending...don't patch together frames to create the illusion they sent the thing...it's dishonest. Now, if you've sent the problem or route, pretty much anything goes for the purpose of getting footage. Don't limit yourself to only the footage of sending the problem.
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j_ung
Feb 16, 2005, 5:43 PM
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I have to agree. As long as you didn't represent the problem as having been sent when it really wasn't, you're in the clear. In fact, you're doing what every upandcoming filmmaker does when they have to make do with one camera. Cut, print, check the gate. :D
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mattm
Feb 16, 2005, 5:45 PM
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In reply to: So I am working on making a bouldering video. I've already got the footage of the problem and have moved into the editing phase. Anyway what are the ethics of videos. I sent the problem twice all the way through, so that I could get two different angles. Then, because i only had one camera person and one camera, i then did several of the moves on by themselves so i could get different angles and close ups. seeing as i have sent the problem, and most of the video will be of the complete sends, with the clips mixed in to show the holds and whatnot, it there a ethics problem? it's not like i didn't send it...
Being a film man myself, i speak from experience, edit those close-ups in. They'll tell the story better - heck, that's what editing is for. Ethics wise, you just want to avoid implying you've done something you haven't - ie film you starting and toping out when you never did the whole thing. Keep in mind most, if not all film is a "Version" of reality. For example - most pictures of ascents in climbing mags are staged AFTER the original climb. They illustrate the event but don't document it.
Bottom line, tell a the best visual story you can but don't intentionally mislead people.
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cloudbreak
Feb 16, 2005, 5:58 PM
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Ethics Scmethics!!! Your video is your creation......be different.......use your imagination. Or, you could just produce a video like all the rest of the sheep out there who can't seem to stray from the herd.
Set yourself aside from others.....be an individual!
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maybeone
Feb 16, 2005, 7:04 PM
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Definitely put the clips in. Underproduction is almost as bad as overproduction. It doesn't matter how authentic your film is if it puts people to sleep. Try to stay somewhere between AFV and MI:2.
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republiclimber
Feb 16, 2005, 10:44 PM
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In reply to: Don't limit yourself to only the footage of sending the problem. |
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republiclimber
Feb 16, 2005, 11:06 PM
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In reply to: Is the problem located @ Lincoln Woods in RI (I saw you're from Warwick)? .
no, sad to say but i go to college in Arkansas, so i filmed it at a little local spot, River Side Park, in Searcy. Lincoln woods is sweet stuff though. I'm not trashing Arkansas climbing, it has good stuff (might bump up to horseshoe canyon for spring break) but the culture is somewhat lacking
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tenesmus
Feb 16, 2005, 11:45 PM
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I think you climbing is unethical because you are a republican.
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lidosis
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Ha, there is no ethics, I know a person in one of those climbing calander things and the pic is not even on a real climb, they are just posing down on some boulder. So I guess if you are woried about the existing standard well there is none. Pose away, people don't know the difference as long as it looks cool. For you video I say piece together an impossible send, and let every one think it is real as long as you don't actually say it was a send I think that would fly with peoples ethics today.
But I guess you are looking for guidance with your project. Don't listen to any one on here, including me I don't know what I am talking about any of the time I just like to make stuff up. Oh yeah you, just don't what you think is right its your video man, if you feel ok about lying do it, if you think adding close up shots from a non send do it.
If I mis-spelled anything I don't want to hear about it from you people who hang on here all day looking for spelling errors. Get a life, go climb.
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republiclimber
Feb 17, 2005, 2:33 AM
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In reply to: I think you climbing is unethical because you are a republican. |
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8flood8
Feb 17, 2005, 6:49 AM
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shhhh..... don't tell people we don't have a democracy!
they might try to stop bush from turning north and south america into an economic slave union... errr trade... yah....
get ready for the mark of the beast in your wrist. the national id card is passing through congress as we speak
sorry for the hijack... it was about the video....
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oklahoma_climber
Feb 17, 2005, 8:25 PM
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In reply to: sorry for the hijack... it was about the video.... |
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republiclimber
Feb 17, 2005, 8:28 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: sorry for the hijack... it was about the video.... not a big deal. i really am a republican though. i'm at college getting ready to be a history teacher |
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iclimbtoo
Feb 17, 2005, 9:00 PM
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Definitely show some falls or failed attempts too!
It's great seeing people nail an accomplishment or hit that tough problem in a video, but it's even better to see the work they went through to get there.
The only dirty climbing videos in my mind are the ones I've seen in which few to no falls/mistakes are edited in to make it look like everything is always going smoothly. Show the real.
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republiclimber
Feb 18, 2005, 6:17 AM
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In reply to: Definitely show some falls or failed attempts too!
course i do like those vids where it shows them getting a little ways then falling, cutting to start and the going farther etc etc......
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