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eyecannon
May 3, 2005, 1:30 AM
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I will reiterate, spraying roundup on poison oak/ivy/sumac is POINTLESS, because the urushiol can stay on the plant for 1-5 years:
In reply to: Urushiol Oil is Potent Only 1 nanogram (billionth of a gram) needed to cause rash Average is 100 nanograms for most people 1/4 ounce of urushiol is all that is needed to cause a rash in every person on earth 500 people could itch from the amount covering the head of a pin Specimens of urushiol several centuries old have found to cause dermatitis in sensitive people. 1 to 5 years is normal for urushiol oil to stay active on any surface including dead plants Derived from urushi, Japanese name for lacquer
More fun facts and myths debunked at http://poisonivy.aesir.com/view/fastfacts.html
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saltamonte
May 3, 2005, 2:33 AM
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my personal opinion about removing poison ivy from a climbing area is that you are doing all of us a favor by yanking out (caution should be used if choosing a chemical solution). Poison ivy or oak are no where near endangered. I see yanking some poison ivy bushes about the same as cutting out a section of lawn grass out for landscaping project. the poison ivy plant is in no danger of iradication. a hard core conservationist might disagree but I think it is funny that the worth while crusades to save plants like trillium or something else rare and or delicate have made someone reluctant to pull up some annoying poison ivy.
and what is this about "trim the plan but don't actually kill it" he didn't ask to irradicate the last poison ivy bush on the planet. just to remove the one that has grown and will grow over the route again if it is not killed.
I am sure I will hear opinions to the contrary but the only person I believe with a right to say don't mess with any poison ivy plant with out being a total hipocrit is a person who won't pull up a single weed from anywhere. we need to keep perspective and remember that conservation is different from a little spotty removal of a plant with no danger of extincion
If you would pull weeds in your garden; then yank poison ivy off your route!!
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saltamonte
May 3, 2005, 2:40 AM
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If you want or need to get into poison ivy's territory be it to climb or to yank it out your two best friends are
IVY BLOCK is a lotion you can put on before exposure that will nutralize the effect of the oils http://www.enviroderm.com/ivyblock2004.htm
and Tecnu is a wash that you can use shortly after exposure that will remove the oils and in most cases nuetralize any would be reaction.
http://www.teclabsinc.com/pro_tecnu.html
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dirtineye
May 3, 2005, 3:08 AM
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In reply to: my personal opinion about removing poison ivy from a climbing area is that you are doing all of us a favor by yanking out (caution should be used if choosing a chemical solution). Poison ivy or oak are no where near endangered. I see yanking some poison ivy bushes about the same as cutting out a section of lawn grass out for landscaping project. the poison ivy plant is in no danger of iradication. a hard core conservationist might disagree but I think it is funny that the worth while crusades to save plants like trillium or something else rare and or delicate have made someone reluctant to pull up some annoying poison ivy. and what is this about "trim the plan but don't actually kill it" he didn't ask to irradicate the last poison ivy bush on the planet. just to remove the one that has grown and will grow over the route again if it is not killed.
Well you beat me to it, but I'l jump on your band wagon.
The only good poison ivy is DEAD poison ivy.
THE day we kill off the last bush of Poison Ivy will be a happy day indeed.
If you want to be good about the raound up use. pull out as muhc as you can nad see what grows back, then carefully spray or even paint it on the specific plants that need to go.
For route development, I suggest cutting the vines a year ahead of time and letting the damned stuff die (some of it will, some will not, PI is very hardy), and then tricking a friend into pulling down what's left. THE evil weeds really get into cracks and they are hard to remove. Beware, the evil oil is in the roots too! A garden rake is a good tool for PI vine removal from a wall.
Be sure you are upwind of the plants you are removing.
Leave no PI standing!
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May 3, 2005, 3:14 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: For my part, I don't hesitate to cut back sticker vines and poison ivy in areas that I help maintain. I usually carry a folding saw, pruners and work gloves with me when I go out to my local areas in Northern Virginia. Sometimes I even bring a gas powered hedge trimmer if the stuff is really bad. I've considered a herbicide like Round Up but since these areas drain into rivers that we drink and fish from I decided to forego the chemicals. Barring drainage issues, Round Up works well. Goats do too. One of our neighbors had one to clear brambles. Unfortunately the goat will eat the poison oak will eat the poison oak and everything else within reach, trample the ground, and it's not very practical to tether a goat on (what I'm assuming is) public land. Colin
Probably not very practical tethering a goat on the side of a cliff either. Portaledge maybe?
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davidji
May 3, 2005, 3:18 AM
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In reply to: Roundup is the most widely used and abused heribicide in history, I seem to remember reading somewhere. Suburban run off alone is laced with the stuff. Used to be, weeding the yard meant grasping and pulling, or maybe god forbid, using a hoe. Now its 'squirt squirt squirt.'
With P.O. you can cut it if you carry clippers. Fortunately last weekend my partner did the clipping. I'd never seen P.O. that tall. I look for it encroaching along the sides of the trail. These were the giant sequoias of the poison oak world, and many of them drooped over the trail from above.
Last time at wherever the hell we were I got both poison oak and two tick bites. This time I seem to have escaped with just one tick bite.
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curt
May 3, 2005, 4:19 AM
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Call the Pentagon. Get some agent orange. Get to work.
Curt
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scuclimber
May 3, 2005, 6:51 AM
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In reply to: Call the Pentagon. Get some agent orange. Get to work. Curt
Word. BTW, re: eyecannon's post about killing it with Roundup and the oil being active for five years... if it wilts and dies and is no longer standing, then one is less likely to get it. Also, if you chop it and don't pull it it'll grow back... if you pull it it won't... it's much easier to pull a dead plant out by the roots than a live plant. If it's dead, even if it can still rash you, its potency wanes with time.
Colin
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climbinginchico
May 3, 2005, 7:10 AM
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What, no Uma Thurman? :wink:
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strongerthanyesterday
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there is a product called "technu" that you can put on your skin pre-exposure and/or wash with within a few hours of exposure. we used to have jungle vine like poison oak on our property but my dad and brother took it out using round-up, i think. i don't remember it was several years ago. yes it grows tall, and around trees, it can get huge and thick. sometimes i just hike around it. last time i was at hiking in the foothills i *almost* walked into some but my anti- itch-radar went off. it was honed by the time i was 11. even the the vine stripped bare of leaves caught by my peripheral vision makes me stop and do a double take of what is around me.
poison oak is a crazy stealth ninja voodoo plant.
and if you do get it there is a great product you can buy at supermarkets called "rhuli gel" it feels icy hot on your skin and makes the itch go away. don't forget oatmeal baths, epsom salt soaks, and foothill lore says that if you drink the milk of a goat that has eaten poison oak it makes you immune :P
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bandidopeco
May 3, 2005, 11:08 AM
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Bridwell told me that when he did the first ascent of Outer Limits at the Cookie the crux was the 8 foot poison oak bush growing out of the bottom of the crack.
All in favor of planting a replacement to return the site to how it was say Aye.
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nedsurf
May 5, 2005, 12:23 AM
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kill that stuff. As a person highly allergic, I will eliminate all plants with extreme prejudice. It looks like I have some ebola outbreak when I get the stuff. I have special poison ivy killing tools to keep the oils from spreading. I use heavy rubber linemans gloves when doing it. Don't burn it as the oil becomes airborne and can give anyone around a bad outbreak. Screw you people who defend poison ivy "right" to live. If you love poison ivy so much, go give it a hug.
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climbinginchico
May 5, 2005, 12:34 AM
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Muuuch better leinosaur. Thanks. :wink:
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leinosaur
May 5, 2005, 1:44 AM
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In reply to: Screw you people who defend poison ivy "right" to live. If you love poison ivy so much, go give it a hug.
Whoa, there, hoss!!! Who did that?
Are you going to screw them before, or after they go give it a hug?
Pffft.
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valeberga
May 5, 2005, 2:37 AM
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In reply to: 3. Glyphosate is acutely toxic to humans. Ingesting about 3/4 of a cup can be lethal.
That's not very toxic. 10 grams of caffeine will supposedly kill you, and that's waaaay less than 3/4 cup. The lethal dose of alcohol isn't even much higher than 3/4 cup. That would be equivalent to about 12 shots of 40-proof, I'm guessing you could die from around double that depending on your size (and taken all at once).
But more importantly, why would you use some whimpy chemical? Just use cheap gloves and toss em when you're done.
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lewisiarediviva
May 5, 2005, 6:15 AM
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In reply to: Suburban run off alone is laced with the stuff. Used to be, weeding the yard meant grasping and pulling, or maybe god forbid, using a hoe. Now its 'squirt squirt squirt.' DMT
Who's willing to try this?
Place one hand in Poison oak (or Ivy)
Cover the other hand in Roundup
Now tell us the results.
Oh, a tidbit to anyone starting to garden, If you use round up, you will have a dead plant to pull. Might as well pull in the first place.
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crshbrn84
May 5, 2005, 6:43 AM
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KILL IT ALL!!! I HATE POISON OAK!!! if i even see the stuff i start to itch. During the summer im on a firecrew for the forest service and i had to cut through the stuff, i had it all over my body from the waist down, not one square inch didnt have oak on it. For all i care, rip that crap out, i wont miss it
-kyle
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crshbrn84
May 5, 2005, 6:46 AM
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KILL IT ALL!!! I HATE POISON OAK!!! if i even see the stuff i start to itch. During the summer im on a firecrew for the forest service and i had to cut through the stuff, i had it all over my body from the waist down, not one square inch didnt have oak on it. For all i care, rip that crap out, i wont miss it
-kyle
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crshbrn84
May 5, 2005, 7:00 AM
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KILL IT ALL!!! I HATE POISON OAK!!! if i even see the stuff i start to itch. During the summer im on a firecrew for the forest service and i had to cut through the stuff, i had it all over my body from the waist down, not one square inch didnt have oak on it. For all i care, rip that crap out, i wont miss it
-kyle
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lucas_timmer
May 5, 2005, 2:09 PM
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Why doesn't anyone use biological herbicides ???
They aren't toxic and probaply won't hurt any other plants either.
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