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hillbillywannabe
Nov 4, 2005, 5:41 PM
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i am not sure how smart my friend and i are, but we have been rigging a series or slings up a tree to create rope drage and enable us to have more rope out, and then making a 2 point equalized anchor on some pretty thick branches about 25 feet up, then we climb up and jump just above the anchors. my question: if we are not jerking to a stop and the belayer is letting out rope to ease the faller to a stop on roughly 40 feet of rope, (2 25's tied togather with double fishermans, dynamic rope). is this safe?
we have been doing it for a while, and it just occured to me to ask....
it is fun.... at what point is the elasticity going to become sketchy?
we are giving the rope "breaks" along the way.
just wondering maybe i can post some pictures sometime, would that help the evaluation?
Bill
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kman
Nov 4, 2005, 5:49 PM
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So your taking falls onto 2 lines tied to together to make one lead line? And the falls are onto branches?
What do you mean you are giving the rope breaks????
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jakedatc
Nov 4, 2005, 5:50 PM
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why the hell would anyone have 2 25foot ropes?
:troll: and a weak one at that
go back to yer ceeement pond
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chanceboarder
Nov 4, 2005, 5:53 PM
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:shock: this will be on the evening news tonight under the headline "man dies in crazy tree jumping stunt"
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ilikerock13
Nov 4, 2005, 5:56 PM
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My first suggestion is that you never allow the belayer to let out rope to "ease the faller!!!" If you want a dinamic belay have your belayer jump when you fall this will decrease the fall factor, "ease the faller," and you don't have to worry about your hand burning from slipping rope and dropping your climber. There are other things you could do to make this safer, but is your system rope on rope or rope on webbing or are you using carabiners. i wouldn't worry about the rope if but it will burn through your anchors unless there are carabiners on them.
Pictures would be good
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veganboyjosh
Nov 4, 2005, 5:58 PM
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In reply to: i am not sure how smart my friend and i are, but...
i have a pretty good idea...
In reply to: just wondering maybe i can post some pictures sometime, would that help the evaluation?
i don't think it would help the evaluation much, but you should still post some pictures.
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petsfed
Nov 4, 2005, 5:59 PM
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I would suggest first getting one continuous rope (free of knots) to go the distance. After that, I'd suggest making sure your will is in order. Carry on.
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charlie_benton
Nov 4, 2005, 6:12 PM
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If you want to practice falling, go to a gym or climb some hard, well bolted sport routes. As a rule of thumb, never drop yourslef on a system that makes you nervous. Your setup sounds like it has the potential to be bomber, but it also has the potential to fail. Im guessing that these 25ft ropes are old (or else they would be much longer) and joining them with a double fisherman makes them even weaker, reducing their strengh by around 30%. So take a lesson from the pros (osman + reeve) and remember that you can still break you neck at 25ft.
ps. dont trust your life with anything you read on this site.. haha... im serious
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reg
Nov 4, 2005, 6:17 PM
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your probably ok. have your belayer wear a glove (tight fitting close fit leather) and hold his ground (or jump) but don't feed rope on a leader fall. once that rope starts movin through your hand it can be V. difficult to stop! never pull your rope through slings ( as stated before) use biners.
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hillbillywannabe
Nov 4, 2005, 6:29 PM
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i have never had so much activity in a thread before!
i am using biners, forgot to mention that detail.
the reason i have to ropes, is because (you will probly call me stupid)
my friends mom used to work at PMI (they make climbing/caving rope, this is climbing rope) and chopped off the "defective" parts, in 25 foot lengths. i have inspected the rope, and it seems to be ok, it has held. i have a piece of "defective" static rope, from the same source that i use to tighten my slackline with, it has held fine as well.
i'' post some pictures in a little while (maybe this afternoon or tomorrow)
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keinangst
Nov 4, 2005, 6:32 PM
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In reply to: chopped off the "defective" parts, in 25 foot lengths. i have inspected the rope, and it seems to be ok, it has held.
OK, if you are trying to defend troll accusations, you just failed :D
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charlie_benton
Nov 4, 2005, 7:11 PM
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This has got to be a joke, I dont think anyone is dumb enough to use and purposely fall on rope that PMI has deemed defective
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kman
Nov 5, 2005, 11:27 PM
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Preserved!!
:lol: You might want to take the "wannabe" out of you user name :roll:
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kman
Nov 5, 2005, 11:29 PM
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For all you fools out there that call troll for every stupid post...you guys have way too much faith in the human race. There really are people out there that are this stupid...and this thread is proof of that.
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coreyr
Nov 6, 2005, 12:59 AM
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Make sure you guys have the video camera rolling for this event. It does have the possibility at some point for making a stupidest home video tv show.
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jakedatc
Nov 6, 2005, 1:29 AM
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ha.. keep jumping and Majid will up his post count
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sandstone
Nov 6, 2005, 2:11 AM
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Kudos if this is a troll, it's a pretty good one (with the photos).
Rigging practice falls is nothing new. Is it Climbing in North America that shows some old black and white photos of guys in the CA Sierra Club learning how to catch falls with a hip belay? Practicing falling and belaying is not a bad thing either, done properly.
Some of the branches in your photos are not very big, and you have no way of knowing if they have internal damage from wind loading, insects, or disease. Put a backup sling around the main trunk of the tree.
Get a proper rope. The "defective" ropes you have may be OK, but maybe not -- it depends on the defect. I got two free "defective" ropes from BlueWater where the defect was they were cut a few feet too short. Other defects are not so benign.
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joshy8200
Nov 6, 2005, 2:57 AM
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In reply to: For all you fools out there that call troll for every stupid post...you guys have way too much faith in the human race. There really are people out there that are this stupid...and this thread is proof of that.
EXACTLY....I saw the way some folks had rigged a rapl rope that made me realize that all the crazy 'anchor' (if you can call them that) pictures posted on this site might just be for real.
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hillbillywannabe
Nov 6, 2005, 3:39 AM
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c'mon. wont atleast one person give me a trophy?
and to go along with the hillbilly comment, i just got home from square dancing.... :lol:
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hillbillywannabe
Nov 6, 2005, 3:44 AM
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sandstone, i thankyou for the advice, it will be used.
i am thinking in investing (hardly) in a short rope.
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grovehunter
Nov 6, 2005, 3:46 AM
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Are you out of your minds? I mean this is classic, but just plain nuts! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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jimdavis
Nov 6, 2005, 3:47 AM
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In reply to: ha.. keep jumping and Majid will up his post count :roll:
HAH!
How true.
This is BY FAR the single dumbist idea I've seen on this site! And the second dumbist thing I've heard of in real life, second only to pissing on an electric fence.
Don't you have parents that smack you when you try stupid shit like that?!
I'll keep a look out for a new Majid post..
Jim
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bigevilgrape
Nov 6, 2005, 3:56 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: ha.. keep jumping and Majid will up his post count :roll: :lol: HAH! How true. This is BY FAR the single dumbist idea I've seen on this site! And the second dumbist thing I've heard of in real life, second only to pissing on an electric fence. Don't you have parents that smack you when you try stupid s--- like that?! I'll keep a look out for a new Majid post.. Jim
at least when you piss on anything electric your chances of getting shoked are pretty low, since fulids flow in a series of drops and not a solid stream.
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tradalltheway
Nov 6, 2005, 4:33 AM
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Testing your system isn't the DUMBEST idea ever. When I first got my silent partner I was compelled to test it in a controlled environment. I jumped off a rappel tower for a 25 ft fall on 35 ft of rope. The measurements I used might have been dumb, but not the confidence that it gave me in my equipment. I got video footage but I have no site to upload it to.
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