Somebody who can, please trophy Joseph Healy's last 2 posts. Thanks Joe.

I bought 3 aliens recently, all labeled 1105, a red, a grey and an orange. Only the orange had the dimple. (I also looked at all my old aliens just in case, no dimple.)

I looked at the other two, and both had a faint 'N' etched into the stem, between the braze and the cam lobes.

Feel pretty good about climbing on those, just though folks might be interested.

aww, you can still climb on the one with the dimple. You wouldn't get caught up in all of this histeria, now would you? :lol:

Condensed threads may be more readable but it isn't the truth. It sounds as if you plan to preserve in history how you feel about the issue or perhaps a story more forgiving of CCH.

I assume that people have nothing better to do when it is revealed that some of the most vocal posters do not even own a single Alien! To those I say, turn on Oprah or Jerry Springer and yell at the TV instead of burdening those of us affected, with endless hair-splitting drivel about test sampling, statistical calculations, etc. etc.

Kind of funny how back then, Alien where the best thing around
(see this thread: http://www.rockclimbing.com/....php?p=423550#423550)
and how now everyone is angry and/or making jokes...

To answer the questions on the (9) Nine Alien cams Mountain Gear had tested:

All (3) Three that had failed brazes had dimples.

Please do not climb or let your friends climb on Aliens or Hybrid Aliens covered by the recall notice from CCH.

Paul

To answer the questions on the (9) Nine Alien cams Mountain Gear had tested:

All (3) Three that had failed brazes had dimples.

Please do not climb or let your friends climb on Aliens or Hybrid Aliens covered by the recall notice from CCH.

Paul

If none of the non-failures had dimples, that tells a much different story than, say, at the other extreme, tht all of the non-failures also had dimples. In the first case, there would be strong evidence of a connection; in the second, there would be no evidence.

I realize the information that you asked for would impart more knowledge. But in my opinion we don't need all the details right now - just slows them boys down.

I think what Jay was getting at was that you cannot assume that the non-dimpled aliens are safe without knowing anything about the six that passed. Knowing that all failures were dimples doesn't say anything about non-dimples or non-failures.

The information that Jay is requesting would totally satisfy me for now.
I don't need to know failure rates, I think at this point they are irrelevant as it is clear the dimpled cams and not safe.. period.
Knowing that the cams that did not fail were all non-dimpled would go a long way to restoring confidence for many of us I am sure.

ok im proably gona get yelled at for this because its already been awnsered ..but i cant read all 5 pages at the moment but i found that dimple on my orange alien.. is it ok to return that one, and keep the ones with out the mark even thoe they are new cams?.. i mean i imagine they were made after 2004 but my yellow and green dont have them .. kk thanks

(removed, because I realized it was too ridiculous of a post to even comment on)

Exactly. The partial information that Paul released suggests that the dimpled Aliens are problematic, but actually says nothing about the non-dimpled ones. As helyje more eloquently put it, many of us, who have sworn by Aliens for many years, now have nagging doubts about the product's quality, and would like to know whether the problem was exclusively limited to the dimpled Aliens, or is more pervasive. Knowing the failure rate of the non-dimpled Aliens would thus be helpful.

Jay