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osmitcher
Apr 22, 2006, 9:56 PM
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I just read in a thread on the beginner section where a climber (who had been climbing roughly four years) had just sent there first 5.10 plus route.
and they were quite proud of this.. I think that is awesome... and is a fine example of why I personally climb, and that is self satisfaction... and a feeling of personal accomplishment.
Instead of encouragement this person was met with sarcasm...(despite a few good people). This makes me want to puke!
This sport is so out of control!! This is just a small example of the ridiculous ego stroking of rock jocks at crags everywhere!!!
I have news for these people who feel as though the higher the climbing grade sent.. the more respect you deserve!!! This is ridiculous. This is the same superiority complex shared by the football jocks that used to push alot of you a**holes around that have been climbing for five years and are now solid "5.12 climbers" (likely 5.11 for most, but have sent a couple easy 12a's). The point I'm trying to make is that the elitism that exists here is insane, the feeling of community and encouragement is non-existant and the grade that you climb at will definitely not directly reflect on how much sex you will have in the future.....!!!!! YOU ARE NOT ANY COOLER BECAUSE YOU CAN CLIMB HARDER.
So .... Climb for yourself. Be proud of your accomplishments and encourage others to do the same. Nobody cares that you sent 5.10 at the gym in your first month, so keep it to yourself when you see somebody struggling on a 5.8 in there second year of climbing. Just because you met chris sharma and got beta from him most certainly doesn't mean that you are somehow more important than the rest of us. The higher the grade does not mean the higher the fun level. Just because you have been climbing for longer than somebody else, doesn't give you the right to criticize. Give advice and encouragement instead. The most ironic thing about this sport is that this attitude seems to be most prevelant with climbers who are in the 5.10+ to 5.13- levels.... Rarely is it seen with the trully elite!!!!
The reality is that I have met some of my favourite people through climbing. I love climbing.. and watching others succeed at it. But when I get attitude, or see others getting it I want to explode, and I think I just might do so the next time I witness it in person.
thankyou
mitch
PS I don't give a sh** about my grammar.. I wrote this quickly with passion!
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jumpingrock
Apr 22, 2006, 10:15 PM
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Amen Brother!
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lichenmuncher
Apr 22, 2006, 10:22 PM
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:lol: :lol:
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osmitcher
Apr 22, 2006, 10:32 PM
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I thought that I would add that I'm aware that the whole thread I mentioned may have been a joke, but it's still a stab at lower grade level climbing, and that may infact be worse. And that this was just an example of my observations...
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trevzilla
Apr 22, 2006, 10:52 PM
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Well said!
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skottikus
Apr 22, 2006, 10:56 PM
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You go girl!
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the_mitt
Apr 22, 2006, 10:59 PM
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(This post was edited by the_mitt on Nov 19, 2006, 6:44 PM)
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bodyboarder
Apr 22, 2006, 11:28 PM
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Ya it's true all the climbers i have met who climb above 5.12 are all really cool and encouraging.
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ihategrigris
Apr 22, 2006, 11:28 PM
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BS, if you can't climb 5.12, you are a PUSSY and have no business crowding the crags up.
Carry on.
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deltav
Apr 22, 2006, 11:56 PM
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Just a little add on... climbing used to be a sport of student/mentor. Seems nowadays the would be teachers think they are above taking someone under their wing, or the would be learners are to damn egotistical to accept help from anyone. Just my observation.
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rhythm164
Apr 23, 2006, 12:13 AM
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Fucking A man, good post. It's ridiculous that people who climb at higher levels think they can't have fun on lower grade climbs, and not only that, but give people who climb, for example, 5.7 shit because they're not as good. I personally climb 5.11, but some of my favorite routes are in the 5.7-5.8 range, and I do them all the time. Not only that, but a within my circle of people I climb with there's everyone from 5.13ers to 5.7ers, and everybody gets the respect they rightly deserve when they succeed on a climb. Kudos to the OP for stating what should be the obvious.
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jdouble
Apr 23, 2006, 12:24 AM
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Some that criticize and maintain an elitist attitude are coming from a very insecure, troubled place. I personally feel bad for them.
Don't let them bring you down, dont let yourself go down that path, and keep up your posts pointing them in a better direction. If it helps one person you did something of value today.
And go send a .13 so we can tell you that you suck.
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tim
Apr 23, 2006, 12:25 AM
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In reply to: Instead of encouragement this person was met with sarcasm...(despite a few good people). This makes me want to puke!
Welcome to the Interwebs. Home of the anonymous Internet Superhero. Also home to many people who take themselves (and life) far, far too seriously. It's hard to respect the accomplishments of others if you don't really respect yourself or your own, which is probably where a lot of the negativity comes from.
In reply to: This sport is so out of control!! This is just a small example of the ridiculous ego stroking of rock jocks at crags everywhere!!!
Be careful there, you don't want to have to buy a whole new keyboard just because your shift key is broken...
Perhaps you should visit some other crags if those at your current haunts act in a way you despise. Acting like a shit seems to be more popular at crags and areas with easy access. (On the other hand I have met some incredibly positive boulderers close to the road... and I don't even really like bouldering) Perhaps it is an issue of commitment, or insecurity, or fashion. I don't know. It just seems to be the way of the world.
The ratio of assholes to easygoing people seems to be a direct function of proximity to a parking lot. Try doing an alpine route now and then, or a ski traverse. Or just something serious in the backcountry. Once you're committed enough, it's not going to matter what other people think. Besides, people with something to prove are seldom found in places where there is no audience for their antics.
When the reaper comes for you, there's only one person to whom you'll need answer. If you're satisfied with the way you live your life, you won't have to solicit the approval of others. If not, their approval won't help.
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dirtineye
Apr 23, 2006, 12:39 AM
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In reply to: The ratio of assholes to easygoing people seems to be a direct function of proximity to a parking lot.
This shall be known from today forth as Tim's First Law of Climbing.
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potreroed
Apr 23, 2006, 1:02 AM
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The best climber in the world is the one who is having the most fun.
--Alex Lowe
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grk10vq
Apr 23, 2006, 1:50 AM
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it sucks to suck.
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Apr 23, 2006, 2:09 AM
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In reply to: Just a little add on... climbing used to be a sport of student/mentor. Seems nowadays the would be teachers think they are above taking someone under their wing, or the would be learners are to damn egotistical to accept help from anyone. Just my observation.
For real I always take climbers... or well hot chicks under my wing. I think in the past year I have taught like 5 or 6 girls how to climb but not my roommate HAHAHAHA
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puerto
Apr 23, 2006, 2:22 AM
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>The best climber in the world is the one who is having the most fun.
>--Alex Lowe
Actually Mickey Dora said that about surfers 50 years ago...
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unreleasedenergy
Apr 23, 2006, 2:38 AM
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Mickey Dora is my hero, Endless Summer always makes me miss the ocean.
To the OP,
yeah, it sucks, but its something you have to deal with in any sport.
in climbing, it can be worse with a definitive grading system to gauge "performance" across the country/world. No one should take grades more seriously than a gauge of personal progress. When I climb, I usually don't even bother with grades, I'm out to have fun, and i'm not going to sell myself short by not trying a 12.b or whatever.
Just climb for fun, don't pay attention to anyone who looks down at you. They're just pissed because your having more fun than them.
have fun, that is the whole point afterall.
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alpine_monk
Apr 23, 2006, 2:44 AM
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In reply to: the grade that you climb at will definitely not directly reflect on how much sex you will have in the future.....!!!!! |
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rockrat_co
Apr 23, 2006, 2:48 AM
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I totally agree with the origional thread starter.
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fobnicat
Apr 23, 2006, 2:58 AM
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Awesome post.. Kudos to the OP.. Luckily I havnt run into any other a--holes out on the rocks.... they all seem to be here on the internet with a post count well about the number of routes they ahve climbed.. which is fine with me.. I have met soem great folks through climbing and even more amazing, throught this website.. Great people are everywhere.. you just have to keep your head up looking for them..
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tonloc
Apr 23, 2006, 3:19 AM
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i agree...lots of meanies...also lots of nice people...just like real life...
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miavzero
Apr 23, 2006, 5:16 AM
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In reply to: >The best climber in the world is the one who is having the most fun. >--Alex Lowe Actually Mickey Dora said that about surfers 50 years ago...
The first person who comments on that post is having fun at the original poster's expense.
The person who pieces together a sensless post such as this is having the most fun, because he is making a killing off of puting this quote on t-shirts and selling it to the disonance-seeking honorable-mentionites of the world.
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In reply to: This is just a small example of the ridiculous ego stroking of rock jocks at crags everywhere!!!
... the living, vital truth of social and economic well-being will become a reality only through the zeal, courage, the non-compromising determination of intelligent minorities, and not through the mass.
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