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camhead
Feb 11, 2007, 7:59 PM
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hey, my climbing partner and I just got in this huge fight. I pulled the rope at the end of the day when we were projecting Yak Crack at the Gallery, and it had a knot stuck in it at the end. I say it's my partner's fault for not untying it. He says it's my fault for not checking the knot.
We wound up getting really mad at each other and screaming at each other in front of a bunch of other climbers. Then some strong dude came and led back up the route to rescue the rope, since neither of us could climb it again.
So, am I right or not? A climbing partnership is resting upon the results of this thread, so please help me out.
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chalker7
Feb 11, 2007, 8:04 PM
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I'm not here to judge, but allowing a partnership/friendship to be decided by posts on the internet, this site in particular, is probably a bad idea.
My advice is to set up a UFC deathmatch and whoever quits first is right. If one of you dies before the pride issue is overcome then the issue is still resolved.
(This post was edited by chalker7 on Feb 11, 2007, 8:06 PM)
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d1ll1gaf
Feb 11, 2007, 8:06 PM
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You are both at fault. Your partner should have untied any knots he put in the rope but you also should have checked to make sure that the rope was clear of knots before pulling it down.
Apologize to each other for yelling and drink a few pitchers of beer.
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michaelmcguinn
Feb 11, 2007, 8:11 PM
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Been there and done that.
I agree that both are guilty.
Get over it and get back to climbing.
~M
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tradrenn
Feb 11, 2007, 8:28 PM
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You are both guilty.
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curt
Feb 11, 2007, 8:36 PM
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See, that's what you retards get for climbing with ropes....
Curt
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wzrdgandalf
Feb 11, 2007, 8:37 PM
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Yeah just tell him that you were both guilty and that you dont want to make a big deal out of it. You are sorry for getting a little out of hand with it and be done with it.
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boadman
Feb 11, 2007, 8:52 PM
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I'm all about personal responsibility when it comes to climbing. Everything that happens as soon as you step out the door to go climbing is your fault. If your belayer sucks and drops you, it's your fault. You shouldn't be climbing with a sucky belayer. If you place an alien and it falls into little bitty pieces when you whip on it, it's your fault, you knew that their quality control was suspect. If you pull a rope and it's got a knot in it, it's your fault, even if your partner waited until you turned your back and sneakily tied a knot in it just to piss you off. This philosophy can, of course, be taken to extremes.
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overlord
Feb 11, 2007, 9:17 PM
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both are equally guilty...
he shouldve untied the knot.
and you shouldve checked the rope before pulling it (or trying to).
in fact, its always a good idea to check the rope before pulling it, it might get stuck even if theres no knot.
edited to add two things:
a) asking for opinion on this on rc.com is probably not a good idea
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b) stuff like this happens. dont put too much weight on it. no use loosing a partner because of one knot. unless hes an @ssh0le offcourse. in that case, you now have an excuse
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vulcan
Feb 11, 2007, 9:45 PM
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its your fault for not checking the rope, and you should feel like a dick for getting mad at your buddy for your mistake.
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Davey
Feb 11, 2007, 9:55 PM
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It might suck that he left the knot in. But you were the one pulling the rope down so it was your responsibility to check for knots. He shouldn’t have gotten mad at you but nether should you have. It sounds like a legitimate accident.
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jmeizis
Feb 11, 2007, 11:17 PM
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Your partnership rests on the results of this thread? Was it really that horrible? I could understand if maybe they got dropped, or if the rope got stuck when you were rapping down a fifteen pitch climb at sundown but seriously it sounds like the situation was not life threatening so chill out. Personally I'd say you're both at fault. When I untie I do so completely so there isn't a knot in the end. My partners always check to make sure the knot is out of the end as well, remember redundancy?Partnership is about communication and you two obviously didn't have it there, so give each other a kiss, laugh about it, and learn for next time.
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billl7
Feb 11, 2007, 11:26 PM
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Mighty nice of that guy to save your bacon.
Yes, you are at fault - probably 100%. Go apologize and then work on taking responsibility as well as looking out for each other whenever possible. It will save your lives.
Bill L
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jmeizis
Feb 12, 2007, 1:05 AM
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I'm curious about the people saying it's 100% the OP's fault. Why? There are few systems in climbing that don't employ redundancy. When you tie in you check your knot, then your partner checks your knot and vice versa. It makes sense to me that the same would apply to pulling the rope, your partners unties (completely) and you check that the knot is untied.
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majid_sabet
Feb 12, 2007, 1:26 AM
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shame on you two big boys
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rocknice2
Feb 12, 2007, 1:27 AM
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d1ll1gaf wrote: You are both at fault. Your partner should have untied any knots he put in the rope but you also should have checked to make sure that the rope was clear of knots before pulling it down. Apologize to each other for yelling and drink a few pitchers of beer.
I agree plus I'm sure you both will never do it again.
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kman
Feb 12, 2007, 1:32 AM
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Leaving a partial figure 8 in the knot is some thing gym climbers do...
With that in mind you should always check these things before pulling the rope down.
You are both guilty.
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coastal_climber
Feb 12, 2007, 1:33 AM
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Me and a climbing buddy have done that, but we didn't get into a fight, we just laughed it off. If you are toproping, its no biggy.
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hosh
Feb 12, 2007, 2:38 AM
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Yeah, both are at fault. I've left knots in ropes before as partners pulled the ropes, and I just pony up and climb the route and deal with it myself. But if I was pulling the rope and some one else left a knot, then still no biggie, jsut deal. Now if it's like dropping a cam or something, that's a different story...
hosh.
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billl7
Feb 12, 2007, 2:44 AM
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jmeizis wrote: I'm curious about the people saying it's 100% the OP's fault. Why? There are few systems in climbing that don't employ redundancy. When you tie in you check your knot, then your partner checks your knot and vice versa. It makes sense to me that the same would apply to pulling the rope, your partners unties (completely) and you check that the knot is untied.
For shared responsibility to always work for completing a task, it needs to be well coordinated/formal. Some aspects of climbing warrant this overhead but applying it to all aspects of climbing would be impractical IMHO (I know you were not proposing this).
Bill L
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matttt
Feb 12, 2007, 2:45 AM
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thats a tough one...i'd say the guy pulling the rope should check and thus is responsible...
i saw someone pull a rope with a rope bag still attached  .
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Feb 12, 2007, 2:45 AM
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camhead wrote: I pulled the rope
Like others said. Your job to check. 100% your fault.
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climberterp
Feb 12, 2007, 2:50 AM
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Bah, you both should've checked, but since you didn't, well, I guess a screaming match is a good solution  Seriously, why not just lead back up it on the other end of your rope? You telling me you were too tire to even bolt to bolt it? Come on!
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ahwoo
Feb 12, 2007, 3:17 AM
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yeah, sure, i've started pulling a rope with a knot in the end once or twice before. the thing is, once it reaches eye level, you should STOP pulling. i agree with all others that you're both at fault, but since you're the one actually pulling the rope, i think more of the blame for what happened lies with you. and also, using a double bowline would have avoided this situation altogether.
edited for grammar
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coastal_climber
Feb 12, 2007, 3:21 AM
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Just apoligize. It must have been quite a yelling match for your relationship to be a stake. Just remember to check next time. This didn't result in any injuries, & you learn from your mistakes.
>Cam
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