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m2j1s
Feb 20, 2007, 2:46 PM
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I was just wondering...
when using longer sling draws and extending them out, many people take little pieces of bike tires and hold the biner in place with those. But could you just use a clove hitch to hold that bottom biner in place or would that be bad for some reason (ie weakening the runner..??) just curious because it also means if you need to use just the sling you can easily take out the clove and take the biners off, and if you dont have a bike tire with you, its still easy and quick to rig up a system where the bottom biner is fixed. Just curious.. anyone done this before?
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reg
Feb 20, 2007, 3:03 PM
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forget about using bits of inner tubes, rubber bands and clove hitches (for this porpuse) for now - if you want to jerry rig this stuff when you're experienced in gear placements, equalization and anchors fine - i have never felt a need to put rubber bands on my slings. learn the correct techniques frist. my $0.02
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summerprophet
Feb 20, 2007, 3:03 PM
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Runners are at their strongest when they are without knots or any tight bends. That being said, the amount of weakening will not be hazardous.
One thing I would certainly avoid is having clove hitches on each end of the runner, as this creates the possibility of only using one side of the runner loop in the incident of a fall, thus cutting the strength in half.
I just keep the runners loose, it has never posed a problem for me.
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jeremy11
Feb 20, 2007, 3:34 PM
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it will weaken the system, of course. it also shortens the runner. I have over the shoulder slings with one biner for cams and trad draws with the TOP biner bike tube rubber banded in place. the reason is so the draw unfolds faster and neater, so you just grab the one rubber banded on and dump the other two out. you'll never really use a sling without any biners on it, so if you need it, just take off the loose biner and leave the other rubber banded on. or don't hook them on at all and just get used to it.
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jt512
Feb 21, 2007, 1:39 AM
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m2j1s wrote: I was just wondering... when using longer sling draws and extending them out, many people take little pieces of bike tires and hold the biner in place with those.
Many people do that? Where, in Kazakhstan?
Jay
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climbsomething
Feb 21, 2007, 1:58 AM
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To make benefit glorious climbing gear?
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deadhorse
Feb 27, 2007, 8:07 PM
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whether you stand on one side or the other if this discussion- it would likely be (i.e. IMHO) better to use a slipknot for this application. They use less runner, would eliminate the double-wrap on the biner, and still hold it in place well. HOWEVER- slipknot could be more a strength reduction than clove so that is something to look into.
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crankingclimber
Feb 27, 2007, 8:20 PM
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I could be wrong, but I think a slip knot would be pretty dangerous. A clove hitch is at least sling tightening around a biner - and two wraps at that. A slip knot on the other hand has the runner pinching against itself - the knot itself tightening, the sling getting pinched in the 'slip' part of the knot, and the sling tightening around the biner. I think the knot would weaken the sling significantly.
Will
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crankingclimber
Feb 27, 2007, 8:25 PM
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In any case, I've almost completely eliminated over the shoulder slings - I only carry them if I think I'm going to use them at anchors, for some weird extensions, or for backups (in this case I usually carry nylon, since it can be used as prussics whereas the other synthetics ie dyneema, spectra etc. cannot). Instead all of my draws are made from tripled dyneema - they're super light, and you have a huge range - keep em tripled, or extend them if you need - join them with biners instead of girth hitches if you need to really really extend something.
Just my preferred method
Will
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mtnfr34k
Mar 3, 2007, 2:38 AM
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jt512 wrote: m2j1s wrote: I was just wondering... when using longer sling draws and extending them out, many people take little pieces of bike tires and hold the biner in place with those. Many people do that? Where, in Kazakhstan? Jay
Oh my god Jay - I agree with you!!!!
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unreleasedenergy
Mar 3, 2007, 3:08 AM
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inner tube pieces,
Petzl strings,
duct tape
rubber bands
clove hitch
O-rings
they all work,
i wouldn't worry about a clove hitch on a biner critically weakening the sling though it will shorten it somewhat.
personally i like the petzl strings or O-rings on my slings.
i find that having one biner locked on the sling makes extending the sling quicker, and when you set it up right, it prevents the bartack join from loading over the biners.
but, thats just my expierience
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