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crabino


May 3, 2007, 2:13 PM
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hi everyone

I'm writing from France (I hope i'll make myself understood).
First, thanks and congratulation for this great forum (much friendlier and wellcoming to the beginners like me than the French forums)

I'm beginning with Trad climbing, which is not as popular over here as it is in America. My questions may seem stupid to some of you but I will always prefer to sound like an idiot than die next weekend.

It seemed to me that, when a quickdraw was clipped to the wire of a nut, the karabiner sometimes tended to move up and turn because of the tension of the rope when climbing up above the pro, and thus sometimes setting the wiregate against the wire with the risk of the karabiner to open during a fall.

Is there a way to prevent this (long slings, proper placement,...)?

I hope I'll have the opportunity some day to come to America and climb your great big walls (even if I don't want to fly for ecological reasons).

best regards

cedric


Partner oldsalt


May 3, 2007, 2:40 PM
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Welcome to rc.com.

Expect to be both respected and abused according to your posts and who happens to read them, since there is often no apparent connection.

I would think that you will be treated no worse than an American ordering a hamburger in a haute cuisine restaurant in Paris.Tongue


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If I'm reading you right, I've never had that problem, but... a longer sling might work. You might also try just flipping the top carabiner over before you climb past.


rock_fencer


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never had this problem either but if you are using a stiff quickdraw might want to switch to trad draws where its a loose sling.

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caughtinside


May 3, 2007, 4:21 PM
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now this is an exquisite troll. bravo.


cellardoor


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If there is concern with torque being transmitted from the rope end carabiner to the pro-end crab then use a sling between then that is not "stiff" to transmit the torque. Any nylon or spectra runner should do fine. Look up something called the "trad draw" to get an idea of this and convenient ways to use them.


shockabuku


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caughtinside wrote:
now this is an exquisite troll. bravo.

I voted "1" and I'm (temporarily) in the majority.


crabino


May 3, 2007, 7:12 PM
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thank you all for your piece of advice.

sorry about the "poll" thing, I have no idea of what this is. The "system" would not let me post anything if I didn't put something in the 'poll boxes"

caughtinside : what's a "troll"

cedric


Dillbag


May 4, 2007, 7:00 PM
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Vote for two (2)!!!


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Dillbag wrote:
Vote for two (2)!!!

I voted for both Cool
Down with radio buttons, up with checkboxes!!


deadhorse


May 14, 2007, 2:22 AM
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you should try using softdraws, or like someone else said, flipping the biners


the_leech


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crabino wrote:
First, thanks and congratulation for this great forum (much friendlier and wellcoming to the beginners like me than the French forums)

This is a sad state of affairs and must be rectified. Get to work, people!

Now, if CI is right and this is a troll, I second his sentiment. Nice job. The poll really adds something.

I voted for 2.


bent_gate


May 14, 2007, 7:31 AM
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Here is a picture of how you can rack your carabiners with a long extendable runner. This is how to store it on your harness ready to use.


from here

Extendable runners are created by connecting a biner at either end of a shoulder length sling. Pass one the biners through the other and clip the same biners through both slings. Extendable runners are extended by unclipping either biner from two of the three slings and pulling.

If you use the runner at it's full length, then the rope shouldn't be able to pull on the carabiner on the gear side of the runner. Good luck.


crabino


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thank you Bent Gate


mike_ok


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caughtinside wrote:
now this is an exquisite troll. bravo.

Couldn't agree more. As I read this a giant smile crept across my face. Finally a troll with some originality! This really is a work of art.


al_piner


May 17, 2007, 3:30 PM
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I voted 1 back into a dead heat .


sungam


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If you look at many quickdraws (sport or trad) many have a little rubber thing holding the carabiner in correct alinement.
If your draws don't have these, then you can easily make the youself, simply take a rubber band, girth hitch it around the sling, and clip it though the carabiner, so it's circularly around the sling bit nice and tight, stopping the biner from cross-loading.

-MagnuS


boymeetsrock


May 17, 2007, 3:36 PM
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1 is in the lead again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


limeydave


May 17, 2007, 6:31 PM
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2 is gonna win - for sure.

Come on lucky number 2!!

For the OP just so I add something constructive (the only thing worse than a troll is a post whore) - check out these 'Yosemite Draws' wire gate draws on Dyneema slings, they work pretty well.

http://www.mtntools.com/...mutcontactslings.htm


studclimber


May 17, 2007, 10:35 PM
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If I'm reading this right, its stiff draws that are your problem. Use trad draws, or single length slings, so the rope can't torque on the placement


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