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sungam
Nov 10, 2007, 11:12 PM
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who was dressed in the newest gore-tex jacket, schloer softshell, innov8 fell running shoes or whatever, how many of them do you reckon actually ever head out into the hills?
Are we actually that cool? or is the proportion at such a state that it's the climbers copying the posers?
seriously, though- I dig the whole "if you going to buy a jacket, it might as well be a good one" but seriously, you don't need a fucking mountain spec arc'teryx jacket for the 10 minute walk to the pub through some light drizzle. save the 200 quid and be just as happy with a nice 40 bar bit like everybody else.
Do you guys have the same problem over in the states where everyone spends heinous amounts of money on kit you wish you had and they have no real need for?
-MagnuS
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Vinny_A
Nov 10, 2007, 11:20 PM
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Yep pretty much every girl here has a $170 north face fleece just because "it looks cute"
Lots of guys do the same thing too
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lofstromc
Nov 10, 2007, 11:38 PM
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Oh yeah, it happens all the time.
The other day I saw a lady all deck outed in North Face fleeces and such walking around the block like she does every morning. Her newest gear for overcoming those treacherous sidewalks was a set of trekking poles.
Fucking trekking poles in the DC suburbs!!!
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climbsomething
Nov 10, 2007, 11:39 PM
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No. We don't have that problem in the States. Not. At. All.
"They're not kool enough to wear our jacket" threads come up like, once a month or three. Don't forget to mention how you hate it when some zomg douchebag frat boy clips a full-strength biner to their backpack or keychain, or uses a Nalgene bottle.
I will, however, have to put "kit" in my bucket of UK slang that I am too American to use. Maybe that will balance out the North Face fleece I rightfully wear..
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caughtinside
Nov 10, 2007, 11:42 PM
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where do we stand on non-boulderers wearing reservoir tips?
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sungam
Nov 10, 2007, 11:51 PM
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I gots no beef with people using nalgene bottles (they're just handy) or even really with people wearing good shoes. It's the backpacks and jackets that get to me. and the biner thing... well, they are handy but do they really need to use a full strength one?
basically my post can be taken as this:
bollocks to yous all for having the kit I wish I had, now give me all your moneys and feck off.
You get what I'm saying?
-MagnuS
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climbsomething
Nov 11, 2007, 12:08 AM
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sungam wrote: bollocks to yous all for having the kit I wish I had, now give me all your moneys and feck off. You get what I'm saying?
My dad is one of "those guys" who picks up nice shells and boots from REI. He's not an athlete but he works outside, and he likes that the softgoods don't fall apart. And yes, he's quite rich.
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Nov 11, 2007, 1:59 AM
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That's a commonality where I'm at. Though I own stuff that is not main stream, so as long as my small company remains small or not trendy to wear then I am good.
I figure that TNF is well beat into the ground, and the quality that they once had when they were a small company has gone away. For the most part there are a few trendy companies, and those who aren't
As far as spending the $$, I've saved in order to get what I have. Maybe you could too.
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reno
Nov 11, 2007, 2:08 AM
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If you can, get your hands on a copy of "Postcards from the Trailer Park" by Cameron Burns. (www.amazon.com has it.)
He brings up this very topic in a remarkably funny way.
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moose_droppings
Nov 11, 2007, 3:34 AM
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lofstromc wrote: Oh yeah, it happens all the time. The other day I saw a lady all deck outed in North Face fleeces and such walking around the block like she does every morning. Her newest gear for overcoming those treacherous sidewalks was a set of trekking poles. Fucking trekking poles in the DC suburbs!!!
Sounds like my mom, she still takes walks. I should suggest a couple of trekking poles for her too. Four years ago she slipped on some ice four blocks from home and shattered her ankle. She was 76 then. I'm imagining how hard a mile walk is going to be for me when I turn 80, considering how bad I hurt some nights now.
I bet all the kids think she's nuts all bundled up in her top of the line outdoor gear.
Believe me, she doesn't care what anyone thinks.
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karmiclimber
Nov 11, 2007, 3:38 AM
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I've heard people say "The more you go, the less you need and the less you go the more you need," and I think its pretty true (to a certain extent)...so the posers with all of the expensive extra fancy stuff just need that extra helping hand to make it around the block when its breezy outside, hehe. And I , for example, do wear my arcteryx to the pub while its raining, as well as in the mountains. Why not, if it works in both places.
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garybegley
Nov 11, 2007, 4:41 AM
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Who the fuck cares!
Your over thinking shit!
We all do stupid ,plus buy stupid shit!
What car do people drive?What job they do?What bullshit men go thru to get laid?Why people climb?Why do anything,someone will always have some SHIT to say!
Do not take yourself so serious or your ego we are not permanent!
The North FACE is having sale[;)]
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ja1484
Nov 11, 2007, 5:07 AM
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Mostly fashion as best I can tell. Almost every climber I've actually met at the crags is interested in two things out of his/her clothing:
1) Practical functionality
2) Comfort
Brand names mean pretty much diddly squat. I do most of my climbing in jeans and no-name t-shirts from Target - they're cheap, they fit well, they're comfortable, and they don't restrict my movement. Added bonus: Rolled jean pant legs double as kneepads.
Brand name is great for the gear, but the clothing is usually just for show or profit.
Edit: Let me be clear: I own quite a bit of stuff from Columbia, Patagonia, and a few other well known brands...because it's comfortable, fits well, etc...some of it, I would never wear climbing/during outdoor activity because it's plainly not going to get the job done.
In my defense, most of it I bought with either gift cards or on sale.
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taydude
Nov 11, 2007, 6:14 AM
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I'm waiting for the day I see someone with their keys on a draw. I would laugh right in their face. 
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frogclimber
Nov 11, 2007, 6:28 AM
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I saw a guy at the library the other day with his keys on a draw. Based on his physical condition I would be willing to bet that he didn't even realize what it was for.
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curtis_g
Nov 11, 2007, 7:41 AM
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caughtinside wrote: where do we stand on non-boulderers wearing reservoir tips?
I think this question dates you a bit. While I've heard of them in folklore, I have yet to seen a non-reservoir tip.
I'm not sure what sort of dig you were trying to make but I thought it was damn funny anyways.
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bent_gate
Nov 11, 2007, 9:31 AM
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I'm tired of these freckin people who wear Prana when they don't even do yoga. What the hell is that about?
Of course they try to justify it that anyone can wear their yoga clothing, and do whatever activities they want in them. But that is just lame.
People think it's ok because now they market to mainstream saying that you can use it for "meditation, dancing, climbing, gymnastics, and as other active-wear or a night on the town."
If I walk up to you on the street and you're wearing Prana, and then I find out that you don't do Yoga, then you are a Poseur!
(PS - and you can't have just tried yoga one time so you can tell all your friends about it and wear the Prana all around town. I need to see you in the Yoga room three times a week, otherwise you shouldn't be wearing it, even though it works just as well around the city)
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angry
Nov 11, 2007, 10:50 AM
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If you are upset by outsiders wearing "your" clothes, you do realize that you're just as much part of the fashion industry as anyone else.
I'm past the point in my life as an athlete where I care how someone is dressed.
Some of the most badass people I've met had patched jeans and a torn shirt, nothing else. But you know what, some of the most badass people I've met wear brand new Prana pants, a $30 Patagonia t-shirt, and have a $300 Arcteryx softshell for a light wind.
There's no reason to be worried by it, it's their choice in the fashion industry to dress that way. It's your choice in the fashion industry to dress the way you do (don't deny it). When I put on my carharts, logo-less colorful t-shirt, and my Moonstone softshell and or Go-lite down jacket, I realize that I too am part of the fashion industry.
Go pull down, let people dress how they want.
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Nov 11, 2007, 1:58 PM
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sungam wrote: Do you guys have the same problem over in the states where everyone spends heinous amounts of money on kit you wish you had and they have no real need for? -MagnuS
Having lived in Edinburgh for a while now i find that there is more of this around here than back in the states, but then again you'll find this situation anywhere. But who are we to decide that they don't deserve to own that expensive kit? Sure they might not expose it to conditions outside of the city, but I know that when the Scotish winter kicks in it's nice to have a warm, waterproof jacket to wear.
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potreroed
Nov 11, 2007, 2:31 PM
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Magnus, your negative attitute is only going to reflect back on you. You shouldn't begrudge people because they can afford stuff that you can't. Think positive, mate, and someday you too will own all the kit you desire.
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walkonyourhands
Nov 11, 2007, 2:51 PM
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sungam wrote: I gots no beef with people using nalgene bottles ( they're just handy)
You're joking 
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camhead
Nov 11, 2007, 3:36 PM
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trendy yuppies wearing high-performance outdoor gear are the foundation of the climbing industry. If you have ever been sponsored or gotten free stuff at a climbing festival from an outdoor company, thank the yuppies.
oh, and
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
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gargrantuan
Nov 11, 2007, 4:40 PM
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i'm pretty sure that if you saw me walking down the street you'd think i was a poser.
you'd be wrong.
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geogoddess
Nov 11, 2007, 4:42 PM
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.... I'd be tired. And probably sore. Might be knocked up, too.
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