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epoch
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Dec 28, 2007, 5:35 PM
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Did you see that the US is down to only three holdouts???
Alta and Deer Valley in Utah, and Mad River Glen in Vermont.
Taos is giving in as of March 19.
... yet another reason I like to hike for my turns.
linky
It was a sad day for me when Alpine Meadows, the last stronghold in Tahoe, gave in.
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petsfed
Dec 28, 2007, 5:58 PM
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When you're not working for your turns, its impossible to be an elitist, but quite easy to be a pretentious twat.
/just sayin'
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epoch
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Dec 28, 2007, 6:16 PM
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petsfed wrote: When you're not working for your turns, its impossible to be an elitist, but quite easy to be a pretentious twat. /just sayin'
True.
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JerseyFresh
Dec 29, 2007, 3:22 AM
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LOL @ that article.. "Some people muttered of fatal collisions on the hill" Give me an F'ing break... there are just as many dangerous skiers as there are boarders.. especially little 5 year old skiers who just don't know what they're doing, and mummy and daddy are too busy drinking scotch in the lodge to care...
and yes, applause to reuters for a well researched and unbiased article.. they "roar" down the slopes, "brashness and daredevil antics" are you kidding me? FYI not every boarder smokes up on the first chair, throws PBR cans and bras into the trees, and plunges down the mtn with reckless abandon, killing everyone in their path with either their board or a semi-atuos.. those little hooligans.. this was definitely written by a skier...
the problem isn't snowboarders, its the stuck up blue-blood WASP attitude of skiers who feel that letting in the "commoners" shouldn't be allowed on thhheeiiir mountain... ugh...
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sorry i had a recent bad experience with some old woman who was bad mouthing boarders because her two kids were hit by them because they're going 100 mph and have no control and boarders are reckless and blah blah blah.. shut up and die you're old
fyi i have no problem with the majority of skiers, they're good people, as are most boarders.. but i hate the 5 percent that give everybody a bad name... have a good day!
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macherry
Dec 29, 2007, 3:54 AM
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fuckin' boarders
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JerseyFresh
Dec 29, 2007, 3:57 AM
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haha.. you're probably right... but.i differentiate between "freestyle" tools who tramp up the park all day, and people like myself, with a split board that i can use like xc skis and then link back together and use as a board again...
but its probably just my disillusionment with myself... fuckin boarders.. oops..
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reno
Dec 29, 2007, 4:10 AM
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macherry wrote: fuckin' boarders
Damn right.
I dare say.... WORD
One board on each foot, facing square down the hill.
Just like it was meant to be.
It is called a SKI resort, after all.
(Shallow sidecut, 205cm ski wearing, bump bouncing, gate bashing, twisting triple "kick-ass-blaster" throwing two-planker since 1988, thankyouverymuch.)
P.S. Triple bonus points if you caught the movie reference without using Google.
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themadmilkman
Dec 29, 2007, 10:04 AM
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JerseyFresh wrote: sorry i had a recent bad experience with some old woman who was bad mouthing boarders because her two kids were hit by them because they're going 100 mph and have no control and boarders are reckless and blah blah blah.. shut up and die you're old
A friend of mine was almost paralyzed by a snowboarder attempting some jump he was in no way experienced enough to try (I knew the boarder as well). Call me old and tell me to die, I don't care, but there is a reckless mentality that I find to be much more common among inexperienced boarders than among skiers.
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bent_gate
Dec 29, 2007, 11:32 AM
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JerseyFresh wrote: haha.. you're probably right... but.i differentiate between "freestyle" tools who tramp up the park all day, and people like myself, with a split board that i can use like xc skis and then link back together and use as a board again... but its probably just my disillusionment with myself... fuckin boarders.. oops..
If you're that level of boarder then you are no where close to the boarders that cause problems.
I have been skiing for 25 years, and also boarding now for my third season.
In general, the problem patrons at resorts tend to be less than expert, 18 year olds and below, without parental supervision. When I was 16 and skiing, I used to ski pretty out of control, though not as bad as one of my friends who actually fell and slid into someone once.
But the reality is that the vast majority of these kids are now snowboarding. So the stereo type that the vast majority of reckless patrons are boarders is relatively correct.
But how much can really be blamed on the sport of boarding itself? My experience from skiing next to boarders and boarding myself is that the speeds on boards tends to be higher. There is a reason you really need to wear a helmet for boarding, and I never felt that about skiing. So I think the higher speed of boarding is a contributing factor to problems with inexperienced boarders.
I like resorts that have their own separate freestyle board parks that tend to keep the delinquents concentrated away from the regular trail and off-piste skiing/boarding.
I ski all the time with advanced boarders and they don't mess up the expert slopes. So I don't have a problem with boarding, and like to do it myself. But combine a lot of stereotypes: young, unsupervised, freestyle boarder; and more time than not, the delinquent label is going to be correct. Of course it's not fair.
Just as it's not fair to combine young, unsupervised, boulderer, beanie, crash pads, and boom box: and assume they cause problems. Are they going to be loud, high impact, and lack understanding and respect of the more advanced, or traditional aspects of the sport? More often than not, absolutely.
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Dec 29, 2007, 4:35 PM
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This whole thread is like a bad '80s ski movie.
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JerseyFresh
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In reply to: A friend of mine was almost paralyzed by a snowboarder attempting some jump he was in no way experienced enough to try (I knew the boarder as well). Call me old and tell me to die, I don't care, but there is a reckless mentality that I find to be much more common among inexperienced boarders than among skiers.
The woman in question was in front of me in the customer service center or whatever in Heavenly, trying to get a weeks worth of lift tickets back because there were too many snowboarders at the resort, and it ruined her trip. I was standing behind her impatient because i wanted to figure out some details about my season pass... i said some not so under my breath remarks which i probably shouldn't have. but really; give me a break, if you really abhore "my kind" that much, go to the ski only resorts, don't ski for a week and then try and get your money back, it was absurd! And, she was very, very, old. :-)
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JerseyFresh
Dec 29, 2007, 5:07 PM
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Well put bent; I guess i can see your point; still, that article was not what i'd call unbaised reporting IMHO, but i can see its reasons and or intent.
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bent_gate
Dec 29, 2007, 5:33 PM
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JerseyFresh wrote: In reply to: A friend of mine was almost paralyzed by a snowboarder attempting some jump he was in no way experienced enough to try (I knew the boarder as well). Call me old and tell me to die, I don't care, but there is a reckless mentality that I find to be much more common among inexperienced boarders than among skiers. The woman in question was in front of me in the customer service center or whatever in Heavenly, trying to get a weeks worth of lift tickets back because there were too many snowboarders at the resort, and it ruined her trip. I was standing behind her impatient because i wanted to figure out some details about my season pass... i said some not so under my breath remarks which i probably shouldn't have. but really; give me a break, if you really abhore "my kind" that much, go to the ski only resorts, don't ski for a week and then try and get your money back, it was absurd! And, she was very, very, old. :-)
If it was Heavenly, and she was that old, the reality is that she probably lost all her money at the casino and was trying to hock her ticket to get some money for the nickel slots... 
It's been awhile, but I have to say that the bunny slopes are a lot scarier than they used to be. The skiiers are first taught to snowplow straight down the slope. And then the boarders are first taught to do the long turns back and forth across the same slope. It's an accident waiting to happen. My first day, my snowboard instructor got rammed from behind by a beginning kid skiier taking out his legs.
It's not really an issue with advanced skiiers and boarders as they know how to maneuver in tight areas. But man, I was glad to get back off the bunny slopes when I started the boarding. 
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epoch
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Having been a skier since I was 2 1/2 I have seen allot of changes in my mediocre 25 years skiing. The changes around Tahoe, where I called my home turf, were drastic. I do remember Alpine Meadows being the last hold out in Tahoe. I remember when parks first arrived in the basin and I specifically remember getting my ticket yanked for skiing in these snowboard only parks. I was a bit perturbed that as a paying customer I wasn't allowed into man-made terrain that I had the skill sets to safely navigate. I went to school and raced with the girl who designed the first park at Mt. Rose. I stood next to her as she directed the cats as they made the features. I skied it and got my ticket yanked. I remember getting my ticket yanked when my friends and I made jumps so that we could have our own slice of the pie. It pissed me off that there was a double standard.
I started snowboarding 11 years ago. I don't say that I am exclusively a skier or snowboarder, I prefer skiing over snowboarding and I'll grab my skis before my board every time. However I still don't understand either side of the argument. They are different and I think that is what people need to understand. The cultures are different because snowboarders weren't allowed on ski hills with a funny apparatus strapped to both feet. It didn't seem safe to skiers. The way that snowboarding was introduced to society and the massive growth subsequent to that because of the negative press is what drives the cultures to not like each other. I appreciate the differences in the sports, yet they are quite similar. Skiing has been refined over the years. Riding in some aspects is still growing. People are still able to take the sports to new extremes without hesitation.
I learned to snowboard on a bet from my cousin who started snowboarding five years before me because it was cool and trendy. He wanted to do something that deviated from the traditions that my family had with skiing. In essence snowboarding was easier for me to pick up as I won the bet by challenging him to an expert run and beating him down it with impeccable style and speed on my first day. I snowboard occasionally; I can still hop off of the couch and tear up the hill.
I don't agree with the comments about control being present with advanced snowboarders. I have been taken out cleanly by people who were supposedly good, on expert runs. There is a decisive difference in control. Have you ever seen a snowboarder complete a slalom course? The control required for a feat like that just isn't present on a board. They are sloppy.
I started hiking for my turns 5 years ago. I don't do it all the time, but when I'm afforded the opportunity I jump on it. Am I an elitist? No. But in the backcountry your less likely to run into the argument as to which is better. Everyone is out there to have a good time and encourage each other to do great things.
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Where is this "snowboards are faster than skis" coming from? I both ski and board, and boarding feels faster, but race a board to a ski down the hill, and the ski will win everytime.
I mostly board, and I do have to say that a majority of young assholes are snowboarders. But, the majority of middle/older aged assholes (who way outnumber the youngs ones) are crotchety old skiiers.
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epoch
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Here's a link I found on ST about some poaching activities.
If riders want a chance to ever get into these places I don't think this is the best way to lobby for it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkxtBrHP84I
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carabiner96
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jake burton sure makes himself look like a dumbass with that intro.
And the rest of the riders are those assholes....way to make a difference, boys, though it was fun to see the guys from Taos get SUPER pissed.
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JerseyFresh
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burton seems to be shooting themselves in the foot with this one... in terms of marketing / a company making money, i don't get it. Most boarders already know that burton is all corporate, and their stuff isn't that good; i have brand disloyalty towards them, because their extremely high prices and sometimes not so great quality.
At the same time, they're seem to be trying to provoke the resorts, and it probably just pisses them off.. but burton should be pushing them in different ways to accept boarders, so they can put in the "Burton: Learn to Ride Store" and make money off the resorts... stupid, if you ask me.. and it just makes everybody on a board look like an ass; those two kids slappin all those skiers etc..
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brewer19
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these days the park rat skiers are just as bad as the boarders anyway. although I'm sad to see Taos fall it doesn't bother me too much since i can always head somewhere they can't follow without snowshoes or a splitboard.
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bent_gate
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Cool, I'm going to start bringing my intertube to the board park, and when they get pissed that I am going to fast, or not yielding to the downhill boarder, or messing up the flow of boarders through the obstacles, I'm going to say "Dude, you got poached".... Then bask in my coolness...
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