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angeleyes


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After reading about them in The Mountaineering Handbook, I'm considering getting some of these so I can ditch my snowshoes on the approach, and for back country camping trips etc.

http://www.hagan-ski.com/.../tour_special/nanook

My understanding is they generally fit mountaineering boots, anyone know if they might work with the popular La Sportiva Trango S EVO GTX boots?
http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/274

Anyone used them, I don't understand how the bindings can work after getting a chance to handle some.

thanks guys


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As far as i understand you buy them without bindings.

so you would have to get a binding that fits mountaineering/ ice climbing boots.

check out the oldschool sivretta bindings, they should work, they are very similar to crampon bindings.
Also if i remeber correctly salomon and kong sell bindings that fit on "everything".
I have a similar "ski" by rosignol (free trek venture) and they have a very "minimalistic" binding (as found on those bigfoot skis, and snowplates" combined with a plate under it, to make it randoneeable.

However you should try before you buy (find someone with snowblades or bigfoots, as they are quite similar), because skiing with extremely short skis, wobbly boots, and a heavy pack is probably not for everyone!
If wheight is not a concern, i take my normal skis, and pack my ice boots in the backpack.

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As they said in the advertisement:
Ideal für Schnuppertouren, Backcountry-Skiing oder auch für Skiwanderer und Jäger. Fazit: Mit geringem Aufwand im Gelände bewegen.

I particularly like the part about jager.


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You'll need full step-in crampon compatible boots (toe and heel welt) if you want to do anything remotely resembling downhill. Old Silvretta 404 bindings are popular. There was a thread over on cascadeclimbers.com a bit ago about this (search for it, don't go asking someone else to find it for you). If you're asking this question you're probably not a good enough skier to manage with a pack, soft leather boots, and short skis anyways. I know this from experience.


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Agreed. After 35 years of skiing in the backcountry and using hell all damn near every type of ski/boot/binding combination to approach climbs ranging from damn near roadside ice climbs to the north side of Denali and Foraker, I'd second the opinion that if you hafta ask this question, yer probably not ready to ski in floppy boots, shorty micro skis, etc...UNLESS you're approaching on nice firm corn snow. There's a snow condition out there that can make damn near anyone feel competent.


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Thanks for the replies.

Yeh it seems no matter how I adjust it, the toe mechanism doesn't secure well enough that I'd trust it to hold during use. The bar on the back that goes across the ridge for the crampon is fine.

Could be I just don't know the trick for using the front part of the binding. I can get it a little bit secure, but can lift the ski by the boot and shake it loose.

I doubt I'm the first to use these with this boot, did find pics of someone else using la sportiva model that's built the same as mine as far as the binding's concerned.



More of the above here
http://theflyingpaddy.fotopic.net/c1765947.html

Thanks for the cascadeclimbers.com mention did find thread with some more on these
http://cascadeclimbers.com/...ight_descent_skis_fi

The silvretta 404 bindings you mention do look like they'd work
http://www.wildsnow.com/...404-backcountry.html

they seem to have been nicely replaced by these now
http://www.wildsnow.com/...tta-500-easy-go.html

I'd rather not have to switch bindings or boots unless I really need to however.

any tips on getting these properly in the stock bindings appreciated, thanks.
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Good lord, man.....either you are a very funny guy trolling in here, in which case, Kudos for making such a funny little post,
or you need some very remedial help with this whole skiing thing. You have the boot in the binding Backwards. In fact, I can't believe the latter, so it must be the former. Laugh


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Those are Trango Ice Evo's (?) - they are not the same boot, if you look at the set you will see that they have a toe welt.
Time to buy new boots (or rig a plastic toe bail-might need a meatle shop for that).
In either case, good luck!


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graniteboy wrote:
Good lord, man.....either you are a very funny guy trolling in here, in which case, Kudos for making such a funny little post,
or you need some very remedial help with this whole skiing thing. You have the boot in the binding Backwards. In fact, I can't believe the latter, so it must be the former. Laugh

Bzzzrt. Wrong.

Not only are you ignorant of different binding systems, but you're also not smart enough to google something so that you don't look like an idiot.

http://www.amazon.com/...ndings/dp/B000YOKNA4



Ouch.


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Such a cute little binding. I do like my silvretta 550's though.

My first downhilling experience was with floppy boots and short skiis. it was pretty fun.


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thanks for the responses

robpatterson5 wrote:
Those are Trango Ice Evo's (?) - they are not the same boot, if you look at the set you will see that they have a toe welt.
Time to buy new boots (or rig a plastic toe bail-might need a meatle shop for that).
In either case, good luck!

Ahh okay so the one in the photo is the "TRANGO EXTREME EVO LIGHT GTX"
http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/336

which as you note has the toe welt unlike my Trango S EVO GTX, I didn't notice that thanks. I guess the bottom portion of the toe cup manages to use that to stay in place (still hard to see how it can be secure but I want to give them a try before I give up and try another binding).

Hmm I wouldn't mind having those boots actually perhaps I shall pick some up, very similar to what I've got.

Was also considering these to get perhaps a bit more stiffness for skiing, yet still have a boot only few hundred grams heavier than la sportivas





Scarpa Omega's
http://www.scarpa.co.uk/...uct.asp?ProductId=45

kobaz wrote:
Such a cute little binding. I do like my silvretta 550's though.

My first downhilling experience was with floppy boots and short skiis. it was pretty fun.

Thanks for the mention of the Silvretta 550s I hadn't looked at those only the 404s and 500s...actually having trouble finding them. It looks like they might be called the "pure" model now
http://www.silvretta.de/...mp;prid=5&ac=det

thank you
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I think unless you are getting a pair of ski boots any climbing boots you buy will be equally terrible for skiing. That said cascade climbers has some good info on this.


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Yeah. My bad. And thanks, Tom Tom, for setting the record straight.


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hmm good question on the boots. I think basically one needs either a ski boot that's almost like a mountaineering boot, or a mountaineering boot that's almost like a ski boot...if there's a good choice for either.

I've thought about using this kind of setup as well but was never sure what to do on the boots. I'd like to get a pair of these, basically the rossignol free trek ventures now

http://www.stc-swiss.ch/

the scarpa boot you posted above might be good, I'd like to try it on personally. I wonder if it'd really be much different than the la sportiva however.

post back if you discover a good boot


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these might be really close (http://cascadeclimbers.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/910955/Dynafit_TLT_Randonee_Boots_Siz#Post910955) No, not my add but seemed like a really nice guy when I bought my spantiks


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Isn't split boarding about the same as ski boarding at least when not assembled into a snowboard? I think a lot of snowboard mountaineer types are doing that now.

Because la sportiva has this boot they say works great for split boards

la sportiva Nutspe
http://www.sportiva.com/products/prod/232

and also is one of the popular choices they seem to use. If split boarding is similar to ski boarding when in split mode, there is a split boarding boot forum here that's pretty active

http://splitboard.com/talk/viewforum.php?f=10

maybe something like this in a full ski boot

http://www.garmontusa.com/921012211.html

I think it replaces the Adrenalin? I think ? It accepts a crampon, has rugged sole and would be suitable for some alpine climbing in but I'm skating on thin ice here with this one..

I've been wanting to get into ski mountaineering / snow board w. split board mountaineering / AT so I'm still learning about a lot of this too and figuring out a setup to try.


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hatafan wrote:
hmm good question on the boots. I think basically one needs either a ski boot that's almost like a mountaineering boot, or a mountaineering boot that's almost like a ski boot...if there's a good choice for either.
It will always be a compromise!
Something that is good for climbing will always be rather bad for skiing and vice versa.
Maybe you should look here: http://www.dynafit.at/de/1/672/boot.html
I dont know about the new stuff, but they used to have the lightes skiing boots. In the "old days" dynafit boots where often seen on ice falls.

Of course you can ice climb and hike with about any (touring/ randonee) ski boot (i am speaking from experience here Crazy) but it will not be comfortable, and it will make hard climbing much harder.

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