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westhegimp
Aug 19, 2011, 5:50 AM
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We were three on a climb and at the end of a long day one of the small cams was gone. I assumed one of my partners lost it and since the rack was not mine I did nothing. Was I wrong?(I am beginning to think so.) Who pays? What do you do?
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Wes
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areyoumydude
Aug 19, 2011, 6:59 AM
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westhegimp wrote: We were three on a climb and at the end of a long day one of the small cams was gone. I assumed one of my partners lost it and since the rack was not mine I did nothing. Was I wrong?(I am beginning to think so.) Who pays? What do you do? Thanks Wes
Well, if you didn't lose it, it must have been the other guy. I'd say you are in the clear. Although, if you're not sure then pony up 20 bucks for a cam you might have unknowing dropped and stop climbing in a party of 3.
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Sforscott
Aug 19, 2011, 7:32 AM
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I'd say you can fork up the $20 bucks for a new cam if there was a major argument about it, but like he said above you didn't lose it
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westhegimp wrote: We were three on a climb and at the end of a long day one of the small cams was gone. I assumed one of my partners lost it and since the rack was not mine I did nothing. Was I wrong?(I am beginning to think so.) Who pays? What do you do? Thanks Wes
in the evening, with a headlamp, surreptitiously go back, check the base trail, if necessary, rap the route to find the cam. when you have found it, sneak back into camp and in the morning feign a hangover, stay in camp, and try to palm the thing off to some other climber for a better price than dick cilley could offer (that's gonna be the tough part).
when you've sold it, buy a twelve pack and share it with your partners, after they have gotten back from climbing that day, expressing that you feel bad about the lost cam, even though you didn't lose it.
pocket the left over cash, and use it to score some soft toliet paper on a bad day.
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j_ung
Aug 19, 2011, 11:09 AM
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When did BD and Metolius start making cams out of gold?
It'd be great if the three of you chipped in together to replace it, but there's certainly no "rule" that states it's necessary. These are the former owners of cams who refused to move on:
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shockabuku
Aug 19, 2011, 1:42 PM
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I'd chip in a third share for it if it was one of my partner's cams. $20 is a pretty cheap price for a good partnership to me.
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camhead
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Before you cough up any cash, you should find Dan. Give back the gear, Dan!
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JoeHamilton
Aug 19, 2011, 2:49 PM
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westhegimp wrote: We were three on a climb and at the end of a long day one of the small cams was gone. I assumed one of my partners lost it and since the rack was not mine I did nothing. Was I wrong?(I am beginning to think so.) Who pays? What do you do? Thanks Wes
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westhegimp
Aug 19, 2011, 11:04 PM
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Great replies. Thanks.
No hard feelings by my partner and good friend. She already replaced the cam. No hinting around that our other friend or I should pony up some bucks. I did lead a bunch of pitches, and I also followed and cleaned a bunch too. None of us can figure out when the cam was lost. No one remembers getting one stuck or dropping it.
I have had some time to think about it though and will be giving her 50% of the cost of the cam.
I kinda feel bad. Paying for half of the cam didn't even enter into my thoughts as we were looking for it. lol. I assumed she lost it, so she should pay for it! Because I have never lost or dropped any gear...except those other times. Oops. :)
Wes
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Aug 19, 2011, 11:30 PM
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westhegimp wrote: We were three on a climb and at the end of a long day one of the small cams was gone. I assumed one of my partners lost it and since the rack was not mine I did nothing. Was I wrong?(I am beginning to think so.) Who pays? What do you do? Thanks Wes
You are wrong for crying over a $60 freaking cam in front of RC. stop been a girl and assumed you dropped in to the canyon , river took it and get it over with.
now, if you lost a haul bag with 135 lbs of sh*t in it then that is different story but for one cam ?
crying baby
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westhegimp
Aug 20, 2011, 12:01 AM
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Thanks
Where will you be tomorrow? :)
Wes
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majid_sabet
Aug 20, 2011, 12:17 AM
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westhegimp wrote: Thanks Where will you be tomorrow? :) Wes
I am already dating another man
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westhegimp
Aug 20, 2011, 1:38 AM
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I only wish you two the best. :)
Wes
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timstich
Aug 20, 2011, 2:04 AM
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westhegimp wrote: None of us can figure out when the cam was lost. No one remembers getting one stuck or dropping it.
The standard deal is if no one remembers how it got lost, then it's the owner's responsibility to replace anything missing after the day. If you were both feeling generous, you could chip in, but that's not expected.
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majid_sabet
Aug 20, 2011, 3:23 AM
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westhegimp wrote: I only wish you two the best. :) Wes
do not be too attached to the material world and I'll tell you, if you have a good friend or partner, do not even bring it up. its not worth loosing a friend over 14 oz of metal
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rgold
Aug 20, 2011, 7:48 PM
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If somebody drops a piece, I think they ought to replace it; at least that is the decent thing to do. Any other type of loss (getting fixed or just disappearing) is part of the risk the owner assumes by letting his or her gear out of the closet.
If a party member wants, out of the goodness of their heart, to help with the replacement costs, I'm sure the owner would be grateful and, I hope, pleasantly surprised.
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timstich
Aug 21, 2011, 1:47 AM
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rgold wrote: If somebody drops a piece, I think they ought to replace it; at least that is the decent thing to do.
Of course. But in this case it sounds like no one knows how the piece ended up missing.
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rgold
Aug 21, 2011, 6:52 AM
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Covered that in the next sentence Tim...
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rescueman
Aug 21, 2011, 1:49 PM
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I don't recall every dropping a piece and I'm a stickler about never leaving one in the crag, but I once backed off from the second pitch of Whitney Gilman and found a brand new 3.5 Camelot on the down climb that someone left behind.
So who should I pay for that "gift"? And did the Old Man in the Mountain fall off because I neglected to pay for my booty?
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