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allan_thomson
Jul 18, 2003, 6:26 PM
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OK what exactly is the difference between abseiling and rappelling? I always thought it was the same, only abseiling was German for "from rope", and Rappell was French "Off Rope". Now I have seen a site which suggests there is a technical difference. Also what is Flying Fox, and how do you do it, as I have never heard of it?
(Ref for site: http://marina.fortunecity.com/seafarer/357/ufr.html )
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watersprite
Jul 22, 2003, 11:50 PM
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this question was never answered. How discourteous!
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calamity_chk
Jul 23, 2003, 1:46 AM
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i have no idea what flying fox means, but in my short experience, abseiling and rap'g have always been one and the same .. though 'abseiling' is said with a cute euro accent.
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curt
Jul 23, 2003, 2:09 AM
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Abseiling = rappelling. This is explained in many basic climbing books. I'm not so sure about the "Flying Fox" thing - perhaps check in the Kama Sutra.
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Jul 23, 2003, 2:38 AM
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A flying fox is actually a tyrolean traverse or to be more precise a telfer traverse. It is typically set up using wire cable and is most usually associated with high ropes challenge courses. The pulley that should be used for this must be a double wheel pulley so that there is never a danger of the weight attached to that pulley is able to swing thus twisting the sheeves of the pulley. There have been deaths involving flying foxes due to this mechanism destroying single wheel pulleys.
note also that a flying fox can also be a giant fuit eating bat inhabitting the south east asian countries including much of the northern parts of Australia. Sometimes they keep me awake at night when they get into the mangoe trees during the fruiting season.
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jt512
Jul 23, 2003, 3:35 AM
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In reply to: Also what is Flying Fox, and how do you do it, as I have never heard of it?
I'm not sure how flying foxes relate to rappelling; however, flying cats can be used to determine the length of a rappel, if you have an accurate stop watch.
-Jay
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duskerhu
Jul 23, 2003, 4:01 AM
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Jay! Thats incredibly mean...
Of course, I totally agree however and keep a spare cat in my pack at all times... :shock:
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billygoatjohnny
Jul 24, 2003, 6:21 AM
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No, you confuse this with the splat-a-cat method.
The well known flying cat method, also known as Galileo method consists of lowering the cat on the rope, allowing the cat to swing and then using the stopwatch to measure the pendulum period to calculate the height and then safely pulling the cat to safety when done. Gotta save that cat for the next rappel. Far better than the old Rocky the Flying Squirrel method where Moose lowers squirrel to ground and measures period for squirrel to fly in circles while tied to rope. Moose then uses average velocity of Squirrel to determine circumference and hence height. Danger lies in that Boris and Natashia may knock you off ledge in attempt to get at Moose und Squirrel.
No cats were injured in the writing of this message.
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hellclimber
Jul 24, 2003, 11:27 AM
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I have found a vast improvement to the splat-a-cat. Named it splat-a-kitten. It gives roughly the same results (apart from a slight difference in wind resistance due to the cute fluffy fur) but safes a lot of weight and space in the pack.
Disclaimer: I have never actually tried any of the methods mentioned here, so any attempt to do so is at your own risk (or rather the cat or kittens risk).
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rrrADAM
Jul 24, 2003, 12:24 PM
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Same difference as:
Dihedral and open book, or arete and corner.
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watersprite
Jul 24, 2003, 6:52 PM
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bump - oh my
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maculated
Jul 24, 2003, 6:54 PM
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Depends what kinda English you speak. Beeeeeeelay.
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data118
Jul 24, 2003, 6:56 PM
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I speak American.
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