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hazael
Jan 26, 2004, 9:41 PM
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What's the difference between onsighting a route, and flashing a route?
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cgranite
Jan 26, 2004, 9:48 PM
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An onsight means that you climbed the route with no beta. A flash means that you climbed the route first try, but with beta,...like watching someone sending the route before you climb.
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tedc
Jan 26, 2004, 9:50 PM
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Isn't the whole idea of flashing that you are "on sight"
:wink:
he says closing his trench coat.
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casco
Jan 26, 2004, 10:02 PM
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wow, I thought flashing was when girls show their lungs ;)
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scubasnyder
Jan 26, 2004, 10:08 PM
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i would have said what cgranite said
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hazael
Jan 26, 2004, 10:47 PM
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So what's the point in having two different terms for the same thing? jajaja
maybe the whole point is to mess me up
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mrme
Jan 26, 2004, 11:00 PM
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so onsighting would be saved for trad climbs and boulder problems were the person climbing is sending a new route, or has not read a guide book; were flashing is for the sport climbs and guide book users right?
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rory
Jan 27, 2004, 5:01 PM
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Onsighting is when you walk up to a route that you have never done or attempted before, and climb it successfully, with no falls. One shot, from ground up, to the top. Flashing a route is is when you successfully climb a route that you have attempted before, one that you have maybe completed with a fall or two, or one that just kicked the tar out of you. Sport, trad, beta, no beta, doesn't matter.
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jstokey
Jan 27, 2004, 5:10 PM
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Just as I had got all the color points down.
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renobdarb
Jan 27, 2004, 5:44 PM
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In reply to: Onsighting is when you walk up to a route that you have never done or attempted before, and climb it successfully, with no falls. One shot, from ground up, to the top. Flashing a route is is when you successfully climb a route that you have attempted before, one that you have maybe completed with a fall or two, or one that just kicked the tar out of you. Sport, trad, beta, no beta, doesn't matter.
you're half right, rory... a flash can mean two different things... onsight flash is the same as onsight, but beta flash is when you do a route ground up the first time with no falls, but you have beta... i.e.: you watched someone else do it or someone gave you information before you tried it... most people i know use the one-word term "flash" to mean the latter, meaning they had information prior to their first attempt... :wink:
In reply to: ...when you successfully climb a route that you have attempted before, one that you have maybe completed with a fall or two, or one that just kicked the tar out of you. Sport, trad, beta, no beta, doesn't matter.
...and this would be a redpoint.
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mrme
Jan 27, 2004, 5:48 PM
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In reply to: Onsighting is when you walk up to a route that you have never done or attempted before, and climb it successfully, with no falls. One shot, from ground up, to the top. Flashing a route is is when you successfully climb a route that you have attempted before, one that you have maybe completed with a fall or two, or one that just kicked the tar out of you. Sport, trad, beta, no beta, doesn't matter.
then what is red pointing? the same as flashing? i understand what your saying. i was wondering why there is two terms for the same thing though. i was curios if i have been wrong on what an onsight and a flash
mean. these are how i understand them to mean.
onsight no betta and climbing clean first try
flash you get betta and climb it clean first try
redpoint you climb it clean but after atempting and falling off it before, also placing ones gear as you go
pinkpoint preplaced gear and you climb a route clean
hang dog you fall or hang but make it to the anchors or the end of a climb
top ropeing you climb a climb with a rope securing you from the end of the climb usually one pitch climbs and belayer belays from a ground stance i.e. you climb away from belayer
following you climb a climb following someone that lead a route 'top ropeing ' but you have to clean the climb as you go and usually is done with the climber climbing to a belayer that is above you 'or beside'
so in esence you can do some things together like: flash pink point, or flash top rope,top flash following , but you can not flash redpoint or flash onsight, and the only way an onsight is an onsight is if you lead it with no knowledge of even knowing if it is a climb period....you know what profesionals do sometimes ground up ascents with no hangs on an undeveloped piece of rock. you know how i learnd these terms don't add up with the mag were beth rodden onsight flashes a 13 so i am curious am i wrong or did they mean she new what the rating of the climb was and that was all....you know she never seen anyone climb it before witch flashing would implie but onsighting would state she never seen someone climb it or got any beta on it....but had to cover there but; because, was it a true onsight if she new where to find the climb and the grade of it. i mean the probablity of her not knowing she was trying that climb was highly doutfull exspecially with all the press coverage.
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mrme
Jan 27, 2004, 5:53 PM
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oh yea and are there bolt anchors or slings at the top of that climb because that would also implie there is a climb there so you couldn't get a true onsight.
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styndall
Jan 27, 2004, 5:54 PM
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In reply to: wow, I thought flashing was when girls show their lungs ;)
I think that's actually 80s Slasher Flick.
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mrme
Jan 27, 2004, 6:12 PM
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yea well then i need to see a lot more flashing then :lol:
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hazael
Jan 27, 2004, 6:54 PM
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Thanks, that clears out a lot of doubts. :P
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coldclimb
Jan 27, 2004, 6:57 PM
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You might also try clicking the link on the sidebar for grading terms.
Flash - n. completion of a climb first try with no falls. 2. (vb.) to perform a flash.
Onsight - n/vb. a clean ascent with no falls, first try, with no prior knowledge of the route.
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sbclimber
Jan 27, 2004, 6:59 PM
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why don't you just look it up in the climbing terms on this site...it's not hard...really.
and some of these answers are hilarious. You'd definately be better off finding out for yourself.
Perhaps renobdarb (as well as coldclimb) are the only ones on this thread who know what they are talking about...b/c there is a LOT of incorrect info here.
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casco
Jan 29, 2004, 4:15 AM
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thanx for asking, i was curious too.
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keazah
Feb 4, 2004, 6:24 PM
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You know, even after checking the climbing terms in this page I still don't get it... can't anyone explain them in better detail?
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scubasnyder
Feb 4, 2004, 6:28 PM
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There are so many posts on here about this check them
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josephine
Feb 4, 2004, 6:36 PM
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Flash:Leading a climb and finishing in one push, without ever falling or hanging on the rope, while having crucial information on how to do crux moves.
Onsight: Getting to the top of a route on the very first attempt without falling and having no prior information on the moves of the route. All competition, since it's the first time a climber has been on the route, if they finish it then they've "Onsighted" the route.
Now?
UKC climbing terms
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keazah
Feb 4, 2004, 6:43 PM
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Thanx josephine... that's a lot better... but one thing... if I rested on the rope... that means it's not a flash right? Will it be a redpoint then?
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slcliffdiver
Feb 4, 2004, 6:53 PM
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Josephines definition of flash is actually that of a redpoint (forgot to fill in first time on route?). If you complete a redpoint the first time you get on a climb it is a flash. If you fall off the first time on the route you can never get a flash, onsite exectera.
Edit: I think she probably ment without ever falling on the route at any time not just on the current attempt.
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keazah
Feb 4, 2004, 6:55 PM
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Is falling the same as "resting"??
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