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mreardon
Mar 15, 2004, 3:01 AM
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http://www.rockclimbing.com/articles/view.php?ID=266 - So what's the truth out there? Do you believe the fools who think minorities aren't out there?
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mreardon
Mar 15, 2004, 3:02 AM
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mreardon moved this thread from General to Feedback.
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curt
Mar 15, 2004, 3:11 AM
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mreardon, I'll have you know I've climbed with Mike Freeman, Mike Freeman is a friend of mine and, mreardon--you're no Mike Freeman. (no offense meant to Lloyd Benson here, hahahahaha)
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jookyhead
Mar 15, 2004, 3:17 AM
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I see minorities every time I go climbing, butI suppose that's be cause the people I climb with are black, Japanese, and Cambodian...
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mreardon
Mar 15, 2004, 3:50 AM
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In reply to: mreardon, I'll have you know I've climbed with Mike Freeman, Mike Freeman is a friend of mine and, mreardon--you're no Mike Freeman. (no offense meant to Lloyd Benson here, hahahahaha) Curt
What if I dye my hair? A perm? What will it take to be like mike? Oh crap, that means I have to actually "climb" something :D
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innominato
Mar 15, 2004, 6:52 AM
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I think the sport is diversifying a bit, maybe because of rock gyms in big cities, where you have a greater ethnic mix than in the traditional old-school climbing centers of Boulder (Whitest town in America?), Yosemite, the Gunks, etc.
Freeman rules. He doesn't climb as much anymore, but he kicks ass on a snowboard at age 55, and if he got the climbing bug again would surely stomp.
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karlbaba
Mar 15, 2004, 7:58 AM
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I've climbed with folks of many ethnicities. They're out there.
As a general rule of thumb though, folks with cultural histories loaded down with deprivation and suffering don't often seek out sports that feature deprivation and suffering.
Particularly sports where, if you become a superstar, you still don't make squat.
As equality has time to equalize, our brothes and sisters of color will join us in recreational fear and loathing
Peace
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lightandfast
Mar 15, 2004, 8:04 AM
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sorry to say my p.c. friends but you are all wrong.
Bottm line_____ it all money, and what will sell.
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overlord
Mar 15, 2004, 10:08 AM
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we climbers ARE a minority.
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bwnco
Mar 15, 2004, 6:06 PM
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:roll Why is everyone concerned whether or not everything is blended to the proper mix? There are plenty of minorities out there, first off. Also if you want to choose a sport which doesnt discriminate I cant think of one more open the Rock climbing. Grab a partner and go! If someone doesnt climb its there own fault and no one elses. If you want to do something bad enough you will get it done. Certain people enjoy certain things more then others. You are never going to get the correct perfect mix in anything, because we all enjoy different areas of life. I cant even believe that it's an issue at all.
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grabngrip
Mar 15, 2004, 8:59 PM
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i see mostly white and asian people climbing, i havnt seen too many of us mexicans climbing though. but i know there out there
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scientiffikk
Mar 15, 2004, 9:01 PM
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What a pointless, incoherent, rambling, contradictory article. An Italian climbing in the US is not a minority climber, likewise an American climbing in Italy is not a minority climber. I can't tell whether the author is homophobic or not; he makes statements to both effects. Where is this nonsense coming from anyway? What is the basis for making the claim that these are "the three most common fallacies stated by climbers"? Who said there are NO minority climbers?
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keinangst
Mar 15, 2004, 9:23 PM
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I know plenty of Democrats who climb. I don't get why that's important.
In fact, I know a liberal who took a 20' minority whipper the other day. 8)
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slablizard
Mar 15, 2004, 9:25 PM
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Hey I'm italian, and I am part of a minority. I'm always the only italian when I go climb :)
Does that means I get to climb before you?
:lol:
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mreardon
Mar 15, 2004, 11:20 PM
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In reply to: Hey I'm italian, and I am part of a minority. I'm always the only italian when I go climb :) Does that means I get to climb before you? :lol:
Absolutely. Gotta' have some privileges for being one of the few :D
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mreardon
Mar 15, 2004, 11:26 PM
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In reply to: What a pointless, incoherent, rambling, contradictory article. An Italian climbing in the US is not a minority climber, likewise an American climbing in Italy is not a minority climber. I can't tell whether the author is homophobic or not; he makes statements to both effects. Where is this nonsense coming from anyway? What is the basis for making the claim that these are "the three most common fallacies stated by climbers"? Who said there are NO minority climbers?
Thank you. It does my ego proud to know I was one of your first eight posts. I look forward to further contributions by you to this site and the rock climbing community.
Just two things: an American in Italy is a minority to the local Italians, especially if he doesn't know the language. And I never claim to be homophobic, but obviously I touched a nerve.... :D
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mreardon
Mar 15, 2004, 11:29 PM
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In reply to: I know plenty of Democrats who climb. I don't get why that's important. In fact, I know a liberal who took a 20' minority whipper the other day. 8)
I never mentioned Republicans or Democrats? And to think some folks believe I was rambling :D
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dredsovrn
Mar 15, 2004, 11:41 PM
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I think you see the world the wrong way if it even occurs to you that you see minorities, or anything other than people climbing.
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slablizard
Mar 16, 2004, 12:29 AM
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In reply to: What a pointless, incoherent, rambling, contradictory article. An Italian climbing in the US is not a minority climber, likewise an American climbing in Italy is not a minority climber. I can't tell whether the author is homophobic or not; he makes statements to both effects. Where is this nonsense coming from anyway? What is the basis for making the claim that these are "the three most common fallacies stated by climbers"? Who said there are NO minority climbers?
Waaaiiiit a minute here, I'm the only one, ergo I'm a minority! Otherwise explain me what's a minority! (without getting angry possibly)
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slablizard
Mar 16, 2004, 12:33 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: Hey I'm italian, and I am part of a minority. I'm always the only italian when I go climb :) Does that means I get to climb before you? :lol: Absolutely. Gotta' have some privileges for being one of the few :D
Now That's way cool.
Hey dude, get off the climb, I'm a minority and I say I'm first, and take your quickdraw down as well will ya? And hey, since you're here give me a belay.
Dynamic please.
Oh, do you have a smoke too?
How am I going? :lol:
:::HUMOR ON PLEASE::: ( ehhhh you never know)
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scientiffikk
Mar 16, 2004, 1:17 AM
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In reply to: In reply to: What a pointless, incoherent, rambling, contradictory article. An Italian climbing in the US is not a minority climber, likewise an American climbing in Italy is not a minority climber. I can't tell whether the author is homophobic or not; he makes statements to both effects. Where is this nonsense coming from anyway? What is the basis for making the claim that these are "the three most common fallacies stated by climbers"? Who said there are NO minority climbers? Thank you. It does my ego proud to know I was one of your first eight posts. I look forward to further contributions by you to this site and the rock climbing community. Just two things: an American in Italy is a minority to the local Italians, especially if he doesn't know the language. And I never claim to be homophobic, but obviously I touched a nerve.... :D
You're welcome. Here is my ninth post. Is my opinion more legitimate with nine posts rather than eight? Or do I need one thousand more? Again, what is your point?
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mreardon
Mar 16, 2004, 2:21 AM
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In reply to: An Italian climbing in the US is not a minority climber, likewise an American climbing in Italy is not a minority climber.
mi·nor·i·ty:
1. The smaller in number of two groups forming a whole.
2. A group or party having fewer than a controlling number of votes.
3. An ethnic, racial, religious, or other group having a distinctive presence within a society.
4. A group having little power or representation relative to other groups within a society.
5. A member of one of these groups.
Webster's says: "you're a putz."
In reply to: I can't tell whether the author is homophobic or not; he makes statements to both effects.
I never stated I was homophobic. I'm actually a lesbian and always volunteer to hug everyone in the shower equally. But I did notice how strongly you seem to be arguing with me on that subject. Hmmm....
In reply to: What is the basis for making the claim that these are "the three most common fallacies stated by climbers"?
DARPA and the "Council for the Recommendation of Sugarless Suppositories for Those Who Chew Their Suppositories" was funded with $37 billion and 4 cents with which to survey every climber out there. Sport climbers being as gay as they are were not included in this survey until they pulled the sock out of their lycra and vowed to only work with Catholic alter boys in the future.
In reply to: Who said there are NO minority climbers?
If you had been on here for more than a couple days, you would have seen the non-stop proliferation of posts on this stupid topic.
In reply to: Here is my ninth post. Is my opinion more legitimate with nine posts rather than eight? Or do I need one thousand more?
Actually, you only needed one to show what you think of me.
In reply to: what is your point?
If you missed the point, then I'm sure no matter what I say, you'll never get it.
Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name.
But what's troubling you, is the nature of my game....
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Mar 16, 2004, 2:23 AM
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In reply to: And hey, since you're here give me a belay. Dynamic please. Oh, do you have a smoke too? How am I going? :lol:
Perfect! Never stop and the smokes will come :D
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Mar 16, 2004, 2:48 AM
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In reply to: What a pointless, incoherent, rambling, contradictory article. An Italian climbing in the US is not a minority climber, likewise an American climbing in Italy is not a minority climber. I can't tell whether the author is homophobic or not; he makes statements to both effects. Where is this nonsense coming from anyway? What is the basis for making the claim that these are "the three most common fallacies stated by climbers"? Who said there are NO minority climbers?
I couldnt of said it better myself...freaking nonsense...
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curt
Mar 16, 2004, 2:59 AM
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Mike,
Who was in charge of watching the n00bs tonight? Things are getting out of hand here. :lol:
Curt
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