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danielb
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I might be biased or just have been unfortunate enough to buy a bad design (I've got a Pod one) but I find my rope bag annoys me more than its useful. The tarp bit is useful for keeping dirt off the rope but the single shoulder strap design is just irratating! The strap is not long enough to keep it out of your way if you have a pack on and it constantly swings around in front of you when you are scrambling to/from the climb.
I've been considering either getting a Metolius Rope Ranger cause its got two straps and can be carried like a pack or a Black Diamond rope bag as it seems to have a good long shoulder strap but I'm also tempted to just buy a big basic hiking pack and use that to carry my stuff to the crag....
Any comments or suggestions?
DanielB
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b_fost
Mar 16, 2004, 6:06 PM
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i have the smaller of the 2 metolius bags and it is great.
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acacongua
Mar 16, 2004, 6:09 PM
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I totally dig my Krieg bag (retails ~40.00) and so do my climbing cohorts. It's very similar to the Metolius bag, but IMO thicker, ergo sturdier but a little heavier. It's not a nuisance for me and it serves other functions (I can stand or sit on the tarp, I can tuck some items into the bag like my gri gri while I climb).
Of course, at this point I'm just a sport climber and do not have to carry so much. I might think differently if I carry trad gear.
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acacongua
Mar 16, 2004, 6:12 PM
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If you have a single strap, prop the strap around the top of your pack which will allow the bag to rest on your pack.
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xscimmiax
Mar 16, 2004, 6:15 PM
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Rope bags are great especially for 1 pitch sport climbing. It keeps rocks and dirt out of the rope. Well worth the $40.
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vegok
Mar 16, 2004, 6:22 PM
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b_fost , that is one nasty picture you have there of that woman.....
I think I'll be getting nightmares now with her, and wake up drenched with sweat.
Peace
Oh and with the bag, to me its a must. I take care of what will hold my life up incase of a fall.
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danielb
Mar 16, 2004, 6:28 PM
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I think part of my problem might be my rope, its 70m x 10.5 Mamut so its big and heavy to start with. Can anyone recommend any decent rope bags that it would fit in?
And are any rope bags out there big enough to get your sport rack, shoes and harness in as well?
DanielB
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tweek
Mar 16, 2004, 6:34 PM
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Useful. I would recomend the blue water one. Has an extra handle over the metolius one, and two straps. It is not as cushy and padded at the metolius one but I have not felt them to be uncomfortable whereas the single strap one the metolius one tweeks my back due to uneven loading.
It is also cheaper I believe. Not as pretty though. Haven't used the two strap metolius one (too expensive).
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mother_sheep
Mar 16, 2004, 6:36 PM
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I only use my rope bag for sport climbing and single pitch trad. For alpine and multi-pitch, no way. I have a Bitter Sweet bag. It serves its purpose. But really, since I always end up carrying a pack anyway with my rope in it, realistically all I'd really need is a tarp to keep the rope out of the dirt.
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holdplease2
Mar 16, 2004, 6:40 PM
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BD Superslacker is nice in that it dosn't require you to stuff your rope into the shape of a rope bag like the metolius and kreig. It basically folds in half and zips then has compression straps to make the tube shape thinner. It ends up being a longer/thinner rathern than football shaped like the metolius. It has one strap for over-the-shoulder carrying. It can also function as a "rope bucket" on multipitch climbs thanks to the tube design.
I believe that there would be room for your shoes, harness, and draws, but this might make it a bit awkward. Certaily its volume is more flexible than that of the Metolius bags.
Also, metolius has two sizes of rope bag...one is designed to better carry 60 meter ropes. It has a zipper pocket on the side. I don't remember the name, but it may be the one you already have. I have it and could see having problems if I had a thick 70 meter rope.
-Kate.
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smithclimber
Mar 16, 2004, 7:11 PM
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This may help.
http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=74259&highlight=#74259
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holdplease2
Mar 16, 2004, 7:57 PM
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Yeah, thats the one. I don't think the smaller one has the pocket.
Thanks for the pic.
-Kate.
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maculated
Mar 16, 2004, 8:00 PM
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I hate rope bags. I have one for ONE reason only: Owens River Gorge. That sandy stuff makes my ropes excessively dirty.
I hate having to haul that thing around on one shoulder or over my pack or something when I'm soloing something to get to a roped climb. I hate having to throw it up and hope it doesn't roll back down and hit me . . .
I hate the darn thing. Yup. Rope-backpack all the way.
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rngrchad
Mar 16, 2004, 8:07 PM
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Rope and Backpack gets my vote. It just makes things so easy, flake it in the bottom or ontop of exsisting gear and flake it out whenever you need it. Easy and Cheap. The less gear the better in my opinion. Oh and for those of you wondering, I typically use an old tent footprint for dirty conditions.
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chanceboarder
Mar 16, 2004, 8:27 PM
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yeah i've got the metolius ropemaster rope bag that i carry a 60m rope in that i like although its kind of a pain cuz it only has one strap and it isn't long enough but i tend to just clip the bag to my backpack or drop it inside of my climbing pack. but i find the tarp on the bag to be really useful, its great to keep your rope off of the dirt and i found it really useful this weekend when i was climbing at Williamson rock and we were belaying on snow. the tarp kept all my gear dry.
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mike_ok
Mar 16, 2004, 8:28 PM
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Coil it and throw it on top of yer backpack. If yergoing light, coil it into its own backpack style and have yer partner carry the only backpack (or wear harnesses with rack clipped on). If there's dirty/muddy conditions where you climb, buy a sheet of ground cloth plastic from campmor for 5 bucks. Cut it to 3'x3' or 4'x4' and you have a lightweight tarp.
We used to carry a rope bag... until decending from an alpine route couple of summers ago; my partner slipped, the single looped strap slipped from off his shoulders while he was trying to stop the slide, and the bag/rope tumbled down a steep ravine never to be seen again.
Go simple, go light.
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boss
Mar 16, 2004, 8:37 PM
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I have a couple BD superslacker rope bags, and they are great. I keep two 60M 10.5 ropes in one bag and a set of doubles in the other, so there's loads of room in them. I think they even come with a velcro pocket now to keep your keys etc. in.
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gregtrammell
Mar 16, 2004, 8:37 PM
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rope bags are great.
they make rope management very simple.
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davidji
Mar 16, 2004, 8:46 PM
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In reply to: The strap is not long enough to keep it out of your way if you have a pack on and it constantly swings around in front of you when you are scrambling to/from the climb.
They're good for gym climbing and sport climbing. They're also good for situations where you need to feed rope from or into a bag (although the open-top style isn't the kind typically used for sport climbing). I very rarely use one.
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danielb
Mar 16, 2004, 9:07 PM
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I tired putting my rope bag inside my biggest climbing pack a 40litre alpine attack and it filled most of it so I guess thats not a solution unless I buy a bigger pack. Some of the links posted are very interesting, the MEC pack looks very nice but they are out of stock currently :(
The black diamond I had a look at yesterday in Sport Chalet it looked alirght, just got an email back from Metolius and they think it would be a very tight fit trying to get a rope, harness draws and shoes into a Rope Ranger bag so I guess that rules that out as it would leave no space for snacks etc...
Has anyone here used DMM's Deliverence rope bag? Looks quite cool...
I am starting to like the idea of just buying a tarp and carrying it in one big hiking bag.
Although these simple rope bags look quite good too as they seem to have attachment points for attaching to your sack but they do lack any form of a tarp...
Danielb
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utahwiregate
Mar 16, 2004, 9:25 PM
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I have got a sweet Mammut rope bag w/ a massive fold out tarp. The bag is big enough to stuff my rope, helmet, shoes, harness, & lunch in.
It also is great for the fact that it is set up more like a backpack (strapwise) and has a compression strap for those small quick days.
-Gate
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bishop
Mar 16, 2004, 9:27 PM
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I find a rope tarp is more useful for day trips.
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web_slave
Mar 16, 2004, 9:35 PM
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In reply to: I find a rope tarp is more useful for day trips.
i agree.
especially in the spring when things are a little wet and muddy.
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climbersoze
Mar 16, 2004, 9:38 PM
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I have a BD rope bag (not sure model) that I got at REI for a $1 - scratch n dent sale baby! 8)
I use it to store my rope, and I can clip my shoes on it for single pitch outings or quick trips (not overnighters). I usually carry my rack/harness over my shoulder.
But then again, I have 2 of the el-cheapo varieties that I got from OR I think, that I store my rack and my 60 M static line in, too. And since I rarely climb alone, I carry one, and the partner carries the other.
If I go on overnight trips, I still carry the rope bag, and use my pack for the essentials and sling the rope bag around my pack like soemone else mentioned.
Either way, my rope bag has worked out just fine for me and my 55M Edelweiss.
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