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boadman
Jul 27, 2004, 2:57 PM
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Lately every crag I go to is inundated with dogs. Young, slightly grubby men or women seem to be accompanied by some sort of medium sized pound foundling, generally reasonably well behaved around people. These dogs seem to function as the long-term companionship afforded by a human mate in the rest of society with a relatively low maintainence creature. Clean, professional couples, generally mid-thirties to late fourties, have one or two excessively bred flat faced, or short haired, or some other quirky but cute member of the canine family that is much higher maintainance than the previous pound foundling, due to less intelligence. My hypothesis is that for these people the pet becomes a substitute or a training tool for the vastly more time consuming human child. Both the human and canine members of these parties are impeccably groomed. Older single men often have large, slightly terratorial dogs, generally still well-behaved, but mildly threatening, that share one or more of their physical characteristics (a flat nose, or small ears, or coloring...). My question is, why do people bring them cragging? They're bored, they're hot, and they're generally looking for trouble.
My favorite story is when a couple from boston (prana clad, leather collar) brought their mutt to Bonsai at Rumney where it proceeded to mark our rope and bag as its territory. Needless to say, we used their rope that day (bran - new).
What do you think? Dogs good? Bad?
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viktor
Jul 27, 2004, 3:03 PM
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My dog likes cragging. She does not enjoy big walling or heavy aid, but seems to enjoy short single pitch trad. I think it is breed dependent. Some breeds like bouldering (Pits and Rotties). I know a Jack Russel that sends hard 5.5-5.6 at J Tree. That little guy is a slab meister! :D I am not sure what breeds like to aid climb/big wallbut I did hear rumour of a team of St Bernards looking for new routes in an undisclosed Northern area this summer.
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taino
Jul 27, 2004, 3:07 PM
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This has been covered ad nauseum. Please do a search for crag dogs.
For the record: nay.
T
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viktor
Jul 27, 2004, 3:13 PM
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In reply to: This has been covered ad nauseum. Please do a search for crag dogs. For the record: nay. T
Searching is not as much fun as posting. :D
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robmcc
Jul 27, 2004, 3:17 PM
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Having watched one deck from 60' up Sunday, I'm going to vote "Nay".
WTF is "Neah", anyway?
Rob
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epic_ed
Jul 27, 2004, 3:20 PM
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Wow. We've never had this discussion before. At least, not this week...
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andy_reagan
Jul 27, 2004, 3:32 PM
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would you begrudge a dirtbag his only friend? :(
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mastheadmike
Jul 27, 2004, 3:36 PM
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ditto on the excess coverage
but I'll bite off a bit anyway,
I have no problem whatsoever with dogs in general. I have 3, medium sized or what I refer to as "regular" dogs (although no one ever knows what a Portuguese water dog is); all like to be outdoors or rather away from the house.
That is why dogs are at the crags. Why leave them at home? They like to go someplace new as much as you do.
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maculated
Jul 27, 2004, 3:37 PM
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:twiddles thumbs and waits for roughtster to respond::
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jajohnst
Jul 27, 2004, 3:42 PM
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l leave my dog at home, she loves people but is a serious barker. Mostly I don't care but I did catch a puppy just as it started chewing my rope - needless to say I was not amused.
Otherwise as long as they don't bother my equipment or cause too much distraction I don't care.
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camsticker
Jul 27, 2004, 3:49 PM
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This subject has been hammered to death!!
http://www.rockclimbing.com/forums/viewtopic.php?topic=12274&forum=32&start=15
And I think your hypothesis is a bit weak. Too much bias!
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sarcat
Jul 27, 2004, 3:53 PM
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In reply to: although no one ever knows what a Portuguese water dog is
Meu cao preferido. Tenho um tambem.
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10ftdrp
Jul 27, 2004, 3:53 PM
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dont get me wrong, i love dogs, but keep them the hell away from where im climbing i have enough in mind already than trying to dodge someones stupid dog while im being lowerd on TR of just jumping off a boulder... now that that is siad i actually witnessed a rock climbing dog. v1 at best but still a rock climbing dog. the stupid bunch of hikers that were partoling the park that day decided to bring thier dog and would climb up an easy 20 ft wall with plenty of ledges and that stupid dog would follow them right up... so ya...
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diana
Jul 27, 2004, 4:07 PM
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In reply to: Having watched one deck from 60' up Sunday, I'm going to vote "Nay".
That was an extremely un-fun event. The dog jumped literally off the top of the cliff. I watched it fall. It did not survive. Please don't bring your dog to the crag.
Diana
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the_pirate
Jul 27, 2004, 4:15 PM
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In reply to: For the record: nay.
Nay, you say?
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taino
Jul 27, 2004, 4:25 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: For the record: nay. Nay, you say?
For the most part, yes - I say nay. There are two dogs I've come across that I can tolerate at the crag, though - and Master Shippy is one.
T
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mastheadmike
Jul 27, 2004, 4:36 PM
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In reply to: Meu cao preferido. Tenho um tambem
Just because I have three, doesn't mean I learned Portuguese for them! Although I am not so far gone from high school spanish that I can't figure out the jist of what you said, its close enough for me. I actually figured at least someone would have one or know of one.
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nay-sayers:
"Yeah, why don't I go eat some hay. I can make things out of clay, or lay by the bay, I just may. Whaddya say?"
-one of the greatest sports movies of all time
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saltamonte
Jul 27, 2004, 4:42 PM
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I wish they wouldn't but they can
having your own dog is arguably fun, being around other peoples dogs is ussually a drag. climbing takes place in the good ol' great outdoors and as such, Dogs are and I believe should be allowed. but I have to admit that I frown each time I have the misfortune to come accross a hyper, slobbering, yelping dog when I am wanting to relax and enjoy the outdoors and the rock.
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killclimbz
Jul 27, 2004, 4:47 PM
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In reply to: In reply to: Having watched one deck from 60' up Sunday, I'm going to vote "Nay". That was an extremely un-fun event. The dog jumped literally off the top of the cliff. I watched it fall. It did not survive. Please don't bring your dog to the crag. Diana
Hmm, people jump off cliffs too sometimes. Perhaps you shouldn't be at the cliffs too. Stoopid argument. It's unfortunate that this was a suicidal dog, but you have to be your own judge as to how your dog will act at the crag. I bring my dog with me to most places. He could get bit by a rattlesnake, could fall off a cliff. He is still a hell of a lot happier getting out than sitting in a house or a backyard not getting any attention.
Granite there are some areas that I won't take him because of crowds. Then again, I don't usually climb at places that are crowded.
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Jul 27, 2004, 5:23 PM
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In reply to: For the most part, yes - I say nay. There are two dogs I've come across that I can tolerate at the crag, though - and Master Shippy is one. T
Oh my my... I guess you haven't been on the receiving end of Bubba Lovin' yet ;)
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Jul 27, 2004, 5:39 PM
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damn that's hilarious, I wish I could have watched the dog jump off the cliff-- do dogs land on their feet? ah well maybe I'll luck out someday. As for the question, No, I don't mind dogs at the crag I bring enough anti-freeze weenies to go around. Does wonders for access
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robmcc
Jul 27, 2004, 5:39 PM
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In reply to: It's unfortunate that this was a suicidal dog, but you have to be your own judge as to how your dog will act at the crag.
It wasn't a suicidal dog. It was a stupid (by human standards) dog with owners who weren't attentive enough. The dog was probably doing some happy dog thing like chasing a butterfly, or maybe something playful which would have been harmless in its normal, safe environment. Had the dog leapt off the sofa without checking its landing and landed on his nose, everybody would have just chuckled.
Diana's point is worth considering. Many of us, me included, go climbing and look at only the happy side. We're going to have fun! We take our dogs or kids without considering that there is some nonzero chance they'll do something stupid and not come home alive.
Am I going to stop doing all things dangerous just because I might get hurt? No. Am I going to make my kids live a sheltered life, never taking any chances? No. I do have a renewed awareness of the danger. I have a brand new appreciation for how fatal a 60' fall can be. I did some back of the envelope physics calculations and figure that the dog's deceleration on impact was likely north of 110gs. That was one dead puppy.
Rob
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robmcc
Jul 27, 2004, 5:42 PM
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In reply to: damn that's hilarious, I wish I could have watched the dog jump off the cliff-- do dogs land on their feet? ah well maybe I'll luck out someday. As for the question, No, I don't mind dogs at the crag I bring enough anti-freeze weenies to go around. Does wonders for access
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rispo
Jul 27, 2004, 5:50 PM
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Bring your dog to the crag under a few simple guidlines:
1. Keep him leashed so he doesn't walk all over everyones gear.
2. Bring your pooper scocper :D
3.Make sure he's friendly
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rispo
Jul 27, 2004, 5:52 PM
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Bring your dog to the crag under a few simple guidlines:
1. Keep him leashed so he doesn't walk all over everyones gear.
2. Bring your pooper scocper :D
3.Make sure he's friendly
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