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Chris Sharma? Caldwell?
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Dean Potter.
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akicebum
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Are you kidding me? Do you a honestly think the best all around climber is going to be an american? First you can't really identify the world's best climb. So it is hard to identify the world's best climbers. Potter, Sharma, and Caldwell are all extremely strong rock climbers. I am sure if they applied themselves to other mediums they would excel there as well. When you throw in the term overall you have look at all realms of climbing.
Who else is there on just rock: Hubers, Jvan Tresche, Yugi, and Leo houlding. But that is Just the tip of the Iceburg. The Hubers climb hard mixed and have ascents in the greater ranges, Potter has a few as well, but when put alonside climbers like Valeri babanov, Steve House, Marko Prezelj, Greg Child, Conrad Anker, Voytek Kurtyka, Bubu Bole, Carlos Buhler, Jim Donini, Robert Jasper, and of course Jean Cristophe Lafaille the list goes on, they all aroundedness loses a little of its luster. Look at the Eastern block and Russian climbers and what they have been accomplishing for decades.
"All around" has such a broad meaning and encompases so much. There are many great all around climbers the best of which (In my mind) are those that seek out true pure adventure in the great unknown. Everywhere we look in climbing there is adventure, but those that travel entirely outside that known realm where blo-by-blow beta disapears and legend becomes your topo that is truly amazing. In my eyes that embodies the true spirit of climbing.
In all fairness though, I guess the best climber in the world right now is the one having the most fun.
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dredsovrn
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In reply to: Are you kidding me? Do you a honestly think the best all around climber is going to be an american? First you can't really identify the world's best climb. So it is hard to identify the world's best climbers. Potter, Sharma, and Caldwell are all extremely strong rock climbers. I am sure if they applied themselves to other mediums they would excel there as well. When you throw in the term overall you have look at all realms of climbing. Who else is there on just rock: Hubers, Jvan Tresche, Yugi, and Leo houlding. But that is Just the tip of the Iceburg. The Hubers climb hard mixed and have ascents in the greater ranges, Potter has a few as well, but when put alonside climbers like Valeri babanov, Steve House, Marko Prezelj, Greg Child, Conrad Anker, Voytek Kurtyka, Bubu Bole, Carlos Buhler, Jim Donini, Robert Jasper, and of course Jean Cristophe Lafaille the list goes on, they all aroundedness loses a little of its luster. Look at the Eastern block and Russian climbers and what they have been accomplishing for decades. "All around" has such a broad meaning and encompases so much. There are many great all around climbers the best of which (In my mind) are those that seek out true pure adventure in the great unknown. Everywhere we look in climbing there is adventure, but those that travel entirely outside that known realm where blo-by-blow beta disapears and legend becomes your topo that is truly amazing. In my eyes that embodies the true spirit of climbing. In all fairness though, I guess the best climber in the world right now is the one having the most fun.
Save it. Caldwell. No contest.
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feanor007
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best climber...isn't that the one who has most fun? for the sake of argument i nominate Alex Lowe, despite the fact that he is no longer with us. Impeccable resume and apparently he enjoyed climbing. Sometimes it appears the 'great' climbers don't enjoy climbing.
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slablizard
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Caldwell no doubts.
Best On Sight climber? Yuji Hirayama.
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areyoumydude
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In reply to: Caldwell no doubts. Best On Sight climber? Yuji Hirayama.
How does that make sense?
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slobmonster
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I'm thinking JC Lafaille, Davo Karnikar... but whatever. I hate these "discussions." Tell us all what you mean by "best" and "all around."
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The term "best all around" would seem to me someone who is equally adept at cutting edge trad, alpine, sport, aid, bouldering, and mountaineering. Most of the people yet named would only qualify for two or fewer of those categories.
Questions like these, that are trying to start a discussion without defining the parameters of said discussion, often turn into lame conjecture and flame fests. Please elaborate on what you mean by "best all around".
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ikellen
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Caldwell. Frees big walls, then goes and places second at the phoenix boulder bash. Also, climbs 5.15(?) sport. I dont see a better all arounder.
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slablizard
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You guys read what Yuji Hirayama did in the valley? Buy ther last Alpinist.
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coylec
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"All around" .
Hands down: Alex Lowe. His accomplishes speak for themselves. Plus, no one can say that Alex Lowe wasn't a wonderful person in addition to all that.
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alberta_climberboy
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Herman Buhl. I think so! Is he from too long ago that anyone has heard of him?
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microbdcamalot
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potter, after myself of course
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edge
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OMG, why do I bother to post if noone reads past the thread title???
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youreup
Oct 8, 2004, 1:01 AM
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Best all around rock climber is Yuji, hands down, than Caldwell. Both have climbed possible 5.15s, but Yuji has onsighted 5.14, won the World Cup, and come closer than anyone else to onsighting several El Cap routes.
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My vote goes out to Dean Potter. Tough solo alpine ascents, HARD trad, speed climbing(El Cap and Half Dome in a Day), bouldering(Crack House), free soloing(Astroman). You name it he's probably REALLY good at it.
Second place is a tie between Yuji and Caldwell.
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I agree with akicebum. It's darn hard to say who is the Best ALL Around Climber. Just becasue someone climbs 5.15 dosn't mean they would last 10 seconds on the side of K-2 or climbing mixed rock and ice in the Alaskan Range. Best all around would have to be very good at Sport, Trad, Alpine, Ice, etc. :D
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Another one who agrees with akicebum here. Go read his post. Plus, what is the time frame? Are you talking about people alive? people still climbing? Or all time? How does that even make sense?
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come on its not that freakin technical...dead or alive...who is the best?
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anykineclimb
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Hmm,
Its humorous to see so many mention Caldwell and Hirayama
In reply to: Caldwell. Frees big walls, then goes and places second at the phoenix boulder bash. Also, climbs 5.15(?) sport. I dont see a better all arounder.
Umm, thats only about half of climbings disciplines..
Not to discredit their accomplishments but I've never heard of these guys slogging in some remote area to get to a obscure couloir or attempting whichever 8000m peak.
There more to climbing than just hard free climbing, on rock
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You guys are all a bunch of ignorant idiots. It is, without a doubt, Peter Croft. the fact that you are discussing other people in the same breath makes me laugh. Well, okay, Potter is a close second.
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benpullin
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Yuji.
Onsight 13c trad after not having placed gear in 9 years.
Onsight 14b sport.
Multiple free ascents on El Cap with near onsights.
Redpoint 15a sport.
Speed record with Hans Florine for the Nose.
What else do you want?
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